rtmohanlal Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) With Indias' most important assignments coming up(abroad tests) , one of the most important elements (which deceides the flow of all inns & there by the series itself) in the form of one of the opening slots poses a lot of questions, precisely Murali Vijay.He is already past 33.5 years old.In the last 2 years he avg:ed just over 35 in 22 inns or so.And he is not in the best of forms in the on going Ranji trophy either.His only positives w.r.t toughest assignments are his past records in ENG & AUS.More over he is a right hander too that lessens variety if Rahul is the other opener. These being the facts, is he worth a place in the side for SAF tour? Are their other worthy alternatives??Discuss. Edited October 12, 2017 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 What are replacements? Dhawan? His average is very low in SA/AUS/England. Unless there is someone else like Panchal or Vihari taking spot, there is no need to replace Vijay. Link to comment
Khota Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Dhawan will outshine him. I would not rule out Rohit or Rahane for opener. Plenty of choices. Vijay is a hard workere but has limited talent. He will always be average. Forever Indian 1 Link to comment
bowl_out Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 If I remember correctly, he has never been a good Ranji player. Even during the times he did well in Internationals, his Ranji scores were bad... So likely not the correct yardstick to use.. Forever Indian and Gollum 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) MV seems like a batsman who gets bored while playing on pattas/against weak bowling units. He brings out his best against tough bowling and on tough pitches. Even in the period where he was averaging 35 odd, he was our best batsman in some of the matches against SA and NZ on treacherous tracks. I am sure he will bring out his A game when he sees Rabada and Morkel across the 22 yards on a spitting green mamba. He is the key in the overseas assignments, probably our most technically accomplished batsman in those conditions along with Rahane. Dropping him for Dhawan will be harakiri IMO, as much as I love Jatt ji he will be slashing thin air in those conditions, a better Dhawan (Sehwag) was made to look like a novice in SA/Eng on more occasions than not. Edited October 13, 2017 by Gollum Forever Indian and Vk1 1 1 Link to comment
Cricket_Fan Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Khota said: Dhawan will outshine him. I would not rule out Rohit or Rahane for opener. Plenty of choices. Vijay is a hard workere but has limited talent. He will always be average. Bhai, he can't even survive swinging white ball and you want him as an opener in Tests that too In England and SA? Link to comment
Khota Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, Cricket_Fan said: Bhai, he can't even survive swinging white ball and you want him as an opener in Tests that too In England and SA? Trust me he will be fine. He has the technique though the temprament is questionable. The Dark Horse, Rasgulla, Forever Indian and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 Quote Having said all these things, MV avg:s a very good 44.17 from 24 inns in AUS,ENG & SAF combined.Of these , it is only in SAF that he is not that good with a 29.33 avg: .In NZL where MV is really bad with a 12 avg:( only 4 inns though) , Dhawan who avg:s 52+ will be the better choice.That means even Pujara having been very good in SAF along with Kohli & Rahane , if Rahul becomes a success in SAF, then MV can feed off from these four batsmen to be good/very good in SAF so that the top 5 performs well as a unit in SAF. But for that, the main criteria is to Rahul become a success there. Also Vijay himself need to be in his best form . Link to comment
Vilander Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Khota said: Dhawan will outshine him. I would not rule out Rohit or Rahane for opener. Plenty of choices. Vijay is a hard workere but has limited talent. He will always be average. Lol Dhawan and Rohit..in SA and England... aoutstanding bring it on...yeah.. Forever Indian 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 32 minutes ago, Vilander said: Lol Dhawan and Rohit..in SA and England... aoutstanding bring it on...yeah.. You are so sure of yourself. Dhawan or Rohit or Rahane >>> Murali. They will run circles around Murali. Murali is a grinder with very limited upside. Other three look gifted compare to him. Link to comment
Vilander Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 31 minutes ago, Khota said: You are so sure of yourself. Dhawan or Rohit or Rahane >>> Murali. They will run circles around Murali. Murali is a grinder with very limited upside. Other three look gifted compare to him. They sure are more skilled in loi, but are they specifically more skilled in negotiating a moving ball in overcast conditions on a pitch that is doing something for 30 overs ? that my friend is the operative point. Gollum 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Khota said: You are so sure of yourself. Dhawan or Rohit or Rahane >>> Murali. They will run circles around Murali. Murali is a grinder with very limited upside. Other three look gifted compare to him. There is no denying the fact that MV has been the best opener in the 3 most toughest places for India namely AUS,SAF & ENG combined.An avg: of 44+ in 24 inns in these 3 places is a seriously good track record.To add to it he avg:ed 37 in his last tour of SAF(2 tests only though) where he is at his worst with an avg: of 29.33. Means, his skills to do the job at hand is never in doubt. But the problem is his fitness & form. Link to comment
gakgupta Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 10 hours ago, Khota said: Dhawan will outshine him. I would not rule out Rohit or Rahane for opener. Plenty of choices. Vijay is a hard workere but has limited talent. He will always be average. most funniest thing i have heard from quite some time.... MV is the most important player for team india for test matches....He is as important as lets say Virat or rahana..... Comparing him with Dhawan in test matches is such a demeaning thing Forever Indian and Gollum 1 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Nobody plays better around the off stump like Vijay does. Probably one of the best opener ever to play for India. His problem is conversion. He does the hard yards and fizzle out when things start to look easier. Vilander, Gollum and Vk1 3 Link to comment
Khota Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 7 hours ago, Vilander said: They sure are more skilled in loi, but are they specifically more skilled in negotiating a moving ball in overcast conditions on a pitch that is doing something for 30 overs ? that my friend is the operative point. They can play the moving ball too. 2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: There is no denying the fact that MV has been the best opener in the 3 most toughest places for India namely AUS,SAF & ENG combined.An avg: of 44+ in 24 inns in these 3 places is a seriously good track record.To add to it he avg:ed 37 in his last tour of SAF(2 tests only though) where he is at his worst with an avg: of 29.33. Means, his skills to do the job at hand is never in doubt. But the problem is his fitness & form. He has been good and has offered stability but the others can do it too. 1 hour ago, gakgupta said: most funniest thing i have heard from quite some time.... MV is the most important player for team india for test matches....He is as important as lets say Virat or rahana..... Comparing him with Dhawan in test matches is such a demeaning thing I am glad I made you laugh. 44 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Nobody plays better around the off stump like Vijay does. Probably one of the best opener ever to play for India. His problem is conversion. He does the hard yards and fizzle out when things start to look easier. Most gutsy but not the best. Link to comment
puneet28 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Ek toh dhang ka opener hai test mein, usko bhi nikal do. Who else you would choose, Mukund? Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 If Rohit becomes opener we will see Hafeez 2.0 repeated, what was it 7 ducks for Hafeez vs Steyn.Rohit days as a test player should be finished. Turning_track, WC2011INDIA and Gollum 1 2 Link to comment
WC2011INDIA Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) 13 hours ago, bowl_out said: If I remember correctly, he has never been a good Ranji player. Even during the times he did well in Internationals, his Ranji scores were bad... So likely not the correct yardstick to use.. That's so weird. Tough track/international track bully. Edited October 13, 2017 by WC2011INDIA Gollum 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Khota said: They can play the moving ball too. He has been good and has offered stability but the others can do it too. I am glad I made you laugh. Most gutsy but not the best. lol khota with his usual bs. nothing new to see here. Link to comment
Khota Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Vilander said: lol khota with his usual bs. nothing new to see here. You listen to a narrative and follow it. Learn to analyze. Link to comment
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