Pakistan will play in ICC world leagues only if India honours MoU

[bsriharsha]

1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

The moral of India's policy is  'not to relate with  a 'terror' sponsoring nation' as much as possible if not fully avoidable'.That is why India avoids bilaterals with Pakistan  completely , but plays in ICC events because otherwise they will loose points that affects chances as a whole in the particular tournament. Personally I don't find anything wrong in it .

I see other sports teams having engagements with each other. 

Either stop all engagements or resume all. Can't be half arsed esp with respect to cricket.

[chewy]

Everybody knows Pakistan aren't going to pull out, just purely on financial basis, the PCB is a loss making board, and the Pakistan is economy is a basket case based on foreign doles where big TV rights will be difficult to achieve 

 

The talk of Pak's 200m people is laughable because there is no value in these people, Bangladesh is a far more lucrative TV market with a well endowed middle class population who got disposable income to spend, no wonder BCB is making profits and building world class stadiums

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

Ok time for a little reality check. First off the players never shed innoscent blood. The PCB never shed innoscent blood.Cricket is not a War its a game. Innoscent blood is being shed on the both sides of the boarder. None of these parties have anything to do with it. Do they represent these two countries? Yes they do but in a sport not in a War. 

 

Secondly innoscent blood is being shed around the world. Does that mean we should stop everything and just worry about innoscent blood? If you wanna be a humanitarian than go out and make a difference. Don't use a sport thats ment to be enjoyed as motive for politicial correctness.

You keep on killing us then want us to pretend things are normal.

You keep on teaching your kids in school books how bad we are and pretend things are normal.

You steal our territory and pretend things are normal.

You consider us as an inferior race and pretend things are normal.

You kill hundreds of my brothers and sisters in Mumbai and pretend things are normal.

No we have no desire none whatsoever to play you. I hope we never play you. We are doing just fine withput playing you. As a matter of fact we are doing great without playing you.

As a matter of fact if we were not doing well we still should not be playing you.

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

 

I think you are missing his point. While there is a huge difference with a rock being thrown and a storm of bullets. In both instances the bus got attacked. And even though no cricketer got harmed in Australia's case. The bus still got attacked by a upset fan. Any incident like this should not be taken lightly. If you need a spray of bullets to realize this than good luck. 

 

We got isolated after this while you got another game. Also this is not just said in India like look at England. There was terriost bombing going on in that country and yet we continued on with cricket. While its true no one got attacked in England. But still waiting for team to be attacked to isolate a country from its cricket is really double standards.

 

 

You are the one missing the point here. Yes London was attacked and people still play there.

yes in India it happens and people still play there.

Now the fair question is why they dont play in Pakistan.

The answer is simple: In all other countries these perpetarators of crime will be brought to justice. In case of pakistan you actively encourage them.

Ask yourself that did your government really did not know that SOB osama was living there? Their in lies the answer why no one plays in pakistan.

As far as I am concerned let the world play there as long as India does not and it is fine.

[Texan]

....and them not playing is something anybody cares about....??

 

So much drama from this padosi..... Ufff!

[sandeep]

I can't help but feel a bit of sympathy for the average Pakistani fan who wants to see cricket being played in their home country.   

 

But the question must be asked - are the average Pakistanis blameless in this mess?  Its not just that their government and military is aiding and abetting terrorist murderers - their actions have the de facto, and at times explicit, support of their public.   Where are the Pakistani voices vocally announcing that the protection of the handlers and trainers of 26/11 murderers - crazy brainwashed idiots who shot and killed innocent civilians and children - should not be done in their name?  In fact, the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis are out and about, justifying their government's policies and actions.  

 

Until the Pakistani people stand up and ask their own representatives to clean up their act, their military and govt is not going to do it.   You want all the benefits that come with being part of the world community, but none of the responsibility.   Can't have it both ways.  

 

Stop making tenuous justifications and comparisons with other countries.   Take a honest, objective look at yourself, before you start crying isolation, bias, and all that nonsense.  

[mancalledsting]

even if BCCI wanted to play Pakistan (which I'm sure they would as there is plenty of money to be made), would they be able to overrule directives from their own government?

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Before I respond do you live in India or out of country?

 

None of what you stated has anything to do with cricket. That is all politics and I won't argue over that because I am here to discuss cricket. 

 

All I see is a emotion filled answer. You may need to reasses yourself before you come and do some real debates.

Typical dissembling from Pakistanis.  And then they wonder why their country is "isolated". 

 

Btw, Pakistan was one of the most vocal countries in preventing Israel football team from playing in "Asia".  They play in Europe instead.   Wonder why Pakistan is OK to mix sports and politics when it comes to policies that they care about, but other countries shouldn't do it, when it hurts Pakistan's interests.   

Edited October 18, 2017 by sandeep

[sandeep]

13 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

I am more american than Pakistani. And we have messed with every country. And are taught of that history in our schools. But living in the past must be common for a few.

 

There is a word they say when a break up happens. You know what it is right? Its called Move on.

Exactly.  Move on.  Stop begging for hand-outs from Indian Cricket as if you are somehow "entitled" to them.   Cricket's bilateral fixtures have always been arranged on mutual agreement.   Begging, pleading, threatening, etc will get you absolutely nowhere.  

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Lol Dude tell that to Sethi on his number ok? 

So why are you on this thread trying to make a case to Indian cricket fans about cricket in Pakistan?  

 

Its a bit rich from Pakistanis to claim that "sports and politics shouldn't mix" while in the same breath supporting the exact same policies when the shoe is on the other foot.   

Edited October 18, 2017 by sandeep

[Rasgulla]

From one side they say they aren't obsessed with India then they come up with BS like this.. If you don't want to be part of it don't be part of it simple as that. I doubt pak has that much power in ICC that can make India bow down to their conditions

 

At the end of the day they ll shamelessly take part in the leauge..so why all this drama ? 

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

From one side they say they aren't obsessed with India then they come up with BS like this.. If you don't want to be part of it don't be part of it simple as that. I doubt pak has that much power in ICC that can make India bow down to their conditions

 

At the end of the day they ll shamelessly take part in the leauge..so why all this drama ? 

Its actually understandable.  They have to try whatever they can to somehow get their hands on the $$$.   Once you add another $130 million to the PCB budget, so many of the PCB babus can "wet their beaks".   

 

But instead of throwing tantrums, PCB should go and talk to their own govt and PakMIl.  Far more likely to get results that way.   All this squealing like a stuck pig is just further evidence of how effective the Indian approach is.   Let them squeal until their government sees the error of its ways.  

[sandeep]

14 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Go read my posts again I won't repeat myself. I am not speaking on Sethi's behalf. I don't care for this money you speak of. I have nothing to gain from India vs Pakistan game besides entertainment. 

 

I only care for a average Pakistani who is getting deprived of cricket by some double standards. 

Well that "average Pakistani" is also partially culpable.  You reap what you sow.   And if the average Pakistani and their average Pakistani representatives clean up their acts, then they won't be deprived.   If they don't....

[maniac]

Comparing a stone pelting incident which was done probably by a drunk idiot to trained blood thirsty militants who are ready to kill and die in the process  Pakistanis are a true breed.

 

In Australia there are incidents when streakers run on the ground as well....it is still a security lapse but it is not the same as a suicide bomber running around shouting jalalalalalalalalalalalalala which you associate with Pakistan 

[maniac]

The scenario where you have to provide presidential level security and bringing life to a standstill  for an exhibition game like the recent world x1 tour or for a PSL game played by a bunch of nobodies is not something to be proud of....in fact it is a very sad reflection of the safety in Pakistan.

[RAZPOR]

LOL at all our pakistani friends here trying to give a reality check...you teach hoaxes even in your history books and talk about reality here ????

 

We dont want to play with pakistan and give them handouts unless they stop cross border infiltrations and sponsoring terrorists here ,how difficult is it to understand??

We stand to gain very little by playing pakistan ,we have alternative revenue streams pakistan doesnt and we are not about to give it to them with the way things are.Simple.

Edited October 18, 2017 by RAZPOR

[maniac]

6 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Well an average Pakistani is not a teriost. If you really believe that than Its shows more of your character than anyone elses. I really don't live in that box. 

 

 

Trust me you guys are not the only country with money in this world so please stop acting like it. Also your view of us as terriosts is totally your own thinking. I don't view Indians in a bad light. Nor do I like this generalism. Rather your white, black, orange you are people. I don't by into this hatered over labels. 

 

You want me to get your point when you come up with rubbish like this. I will avoid posters like you.

 

 

 

 

Well all  black people are thugs is also a horrible racial stereotype but doesn't mean that you will walk without a worry in the world in South Chicago  at midnight

[sandeep]

14 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Well an average Pakistani is not a teriost. If you really believe that than Its shows more of your character than anyone elses. I really don't live in that box. 

 

That's quite an intentional misreading of what I posted.   Nobody is accusing the average Pakistani of being terrorists.  But the average Pakistani does support a society, and a legal and government system that openly provides comfort and security to terrorists and murderers, many of whom are designated as criminal terrorists by the UN.   

 

Why is that Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed and their organizations get so much public support - in terms of manpower and money, within Pakistan's borders?  Why are they openly allowed to continue their business of "non-state actors", not just by the feckless Pakistani government, or the PakMil with blood on their hands, but also by the general public which provides bulk of their support, not to mention soceital approval of their shenanigans?    

 

And look at yourself, out here, shamelessly playing the victim card instead of having the balls to call a spade a spade.  I will not shirk in accepting that the recent actions of some Indians in India - with the beef ban etc have been shameful and criminal.   Why are Pakistanis so shameless in not just tolerating, but condoning and supporting the violent actions of some of their countrymen?  

 

[maniac]

15 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

You know that fear you have? You might wanna get that checked.

Yeah provide me with presidential level security,I would love to visit Pak just like the brave srilankans or the PSL players.

[Vilander]

15 hours ago, Lala2790 said:

Pakistan have held many tournaments recently with no incident.  How much longer should they be punished.....

 

You're thinking is that the world will never change and that second chance are never given and that the Finch incident was 'isolated'.  It could have easily killed him.

 

Wake up and see that there is little difference

buddy pak and India have a war going on, pak is waging a proxy war on India, its covets indian territory, sends its army irregulars and militia to kill Indians, it holds Indian territory illegally, its has ceded Indian territory held illegally to other country illegally, it has got the said other country to buold roads in this illegally held territory. You should be thankful two countries are still in talking terms.