NADA at risk of losing affiliation if BCCI stays reluctant for cricketers' dope test, warns WADA

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

What happens WADA messes up players and wrongly tests them positive?

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Wada is pretty incompetent organisation.

 

This is without even going how it willingly turned a blind eye to Russian doping for years.

Positive result can always be checked twice. You can have your own accredited lab do it.

 

Why would you want to support players who are cheating to begin with?

[BeautifulGame]

Positive result can always be checked twice. You can have your own accredited lab do it.
 
Why would you want to support players who are cheating to begin with?

Did you read the article ?

He was tested positive (twice) for a drug that wasn't even in prohibited list and wada bull headedly banned him .Simply because they can.He was considered tainted for nearly a year because wada was incompetent

However, in early June Uefa’s disciplinary body absolved Sakho of taking a performance-enhancing drug and on Thursday European football’s governing body went further still, releasing a damning report pointing out that higenamine is not specifically listed on Wada’s prohibited list.

The player challenged that won the case.WADA didn't even acknowledge it's mistake but silently decided not to appeal the verdict because they *ed it up.It cost the player the chance to play in a European final and Euros final.

[Khota]

9 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Did you read the article ?

He was tested positive (twice) for a drug that wasn't even in prohibited list and wada bull headedly banned him .Simply because they can.He was considered tainted for nearly a year because wada was incompetent



The player challenged that won the case.WADA didn't even acknowledge it's mistake but silently decided not to appeal the verdict because they *ed it up.It cost the player the chance to play in a European final and Euros final.
 

I did not read the article first but now after reading it I will hold the player guilty.

 

Thousands of athletes are tested every year without any issue and one case comes up and you cite it. This is incorrect. If thousands of flights happen everyday and you keep on citing the crashed one then it is a useless arguement. Most of the flights are safe.

 

Let us get back to this drug Higenamine. 

 

Why did he take it without informing the club. Players at that level are supposed to inform their club of any medicine or supplement.

 

Higgenamine is for wight loss. Can you imagine someone playing in premier league needs to take weight loss supplement? The side effect is a stimulant. It helps the muscles and that was the underline reason he was taking it.

 

He got off on technicality because it was not listed though all stimulants are a no no.

 

He cheated and got away. Today he cannot do it.

 

You chose to sympathise with a cheat that is why he did not get an apology. He is free to sue them for defamation but he was getting around the law in a clever manner.

 

[BeautifulGame]

9 minutes ago, Khota said:

I did not read the article first but now after reading it I will hold the player guilty.

 

Thousands of athletes are tested every year without any issue and one case comes up and you cite it. This is incorrect. If thousands of flights happen everyday and you keep on citing the crashed one then it is a useless arguement. Most of the flights are safe.

 

Let us get back to this drug Higenamine. 

 

Why did he take it without informing the club. Players at that level are supposed to inform their club of any medicine or supplement.

 

Higgenamine is for wight loss. Can you imagine someone playing in premier league needs to take weight loss supplement? The side effect is a stimulant. It helps the muscles and that was the underline reason he was taking it.

 

He got off on technicality because it was not listed though all stimulants are a no no.

 

He cheated and got away. Today he cannot do it.

 

You chose to sympathise with a cheat that is why he did not get an apology. He is free to sue them for defamation but he was getting around the law in a clever manner.

 

 

 

So he is a cheat yet wada decided not lodge the appeal.So they are happy with cheating is your logic ? Really? :lmao:

 

Sakho didn't get of on a technicality.He got off because the substance wasn't even listed as prohibitive.

 

To quote

The Uefa report added: “Higenamine is not expressly mentioned by name on Wada’s prohibited list. The fact that the Cologne laboratory tested for higenamine but had to check with Wada before making a determination indicates a problem, as does the fact that the Lausanne laboratory does not test for higenamine at all.

“In this regard, Dr Saugy [giving evidence] explained that he has not received any formal instruction from Wada to test for higenamine and explained that the Lausanne laboratory would not start testing for higenamine until such communication is received.”

 

It is not even tested for in wada accredited labs.If higenamine is a banned substance why didn't wada list it and ask it's accredited labs to test it?

 

That isn't a technicality , that's basically wada being a fuked up organisation.

 

Basically both Smith and Kohli can take the same drugs ,but Smith won't be tested positive but Kohli will be .That's how messed up Wada is with its regulations and labs.

 

Wada didn't accept their mistake not because the player cheated (UEFA aquited him) but because they are too stubborn to admit their mistakes.

 

And it costs players their careers and wada don't give a * about it.

[Khota]

1 minute ago, BeautifulGame said:

 

 

So he is a cheat yet wada decided not lodge the appeal.So they are happy with cheating is your logic ? Really? :lmao:

 

Sakho didn't get of on a technicality.He got off because the substance wasn't even listed as prohibitive.

 

To quote

 

 

It is not even tested for in wada accredited labs.If higenamine is a banned substance why didn't wada list it and ask it's accredited labs to test it?

 

That isn't a technicality , that's basically wada being a fuked up organisation.

 

Basically both Smith and Kohli can take the same drugs ,but Smith won't be tested positive but Kohli will be .That's how messed up Wada is with its regulations and labs.

 

Wada didn't accept their mistake not because the player cheated (UEFA aquited him) but because they are too stubborn to admit their mistakes.

 

And it costs players their careers and wada don't give a * about it.

You fail to understand the argument. 

 

WADA cannot name a particular drug on the banned lists because clever chemists can make slight alteration and change the name of a drug from A to drug B. They check for specific reactions which only biochemists can fully understand.

 

He took a drug that was not on the list but it had substance in it which was always going to test positive. He refused testing on sample B. he knew exactly what he was doing and he was taking a stimulant under the radar.

 

By contract he was supposed to inform liverpool of all the supplements he was taking and he did not do that.

 

At a facility like Liverpool where they have dozens of dieticians and team doctors they would have warned him but he kept it to himself. Ifhe had informed the team they would have infomre WADA that he would test positive .

 

WADA tests for beta2 agonist and  not for a specific brand name drug. He took a beta2 agonist and tested positive. What were they supposed to do? 

 

His defence was he did not know and that is not an acceptable fefence.

 

Man was trying to skirt the system. 

 

He is very lucky that he got away with that defense.

 

Same as shane warne with diuretics. He knew what he was doing.

 

[BeautifulGame]

You fail to understand the argument. 
 
WADA cannot name a particular drug on the banned lists because clever chemists can make slight alteration and change the name of a drug from A to drug B. They check for specific reactions which only biochemists can fully understand.
 
He took a drug that was not on the list but it had substance in it which was always going to test positive. He refused testing on sample B. he knew exactly what he was doing and he was taking a stimulant under the radar.
 
By contract he was supposed to inform liverpool of all the supplements he was taking and he did not do that.
 
At a facility like Liverpool where they have dozens of dieticians and team doctors they would have warned him but he kept it to himself. Ifhe had informed the team they would have infomre WADA that he would test positive .
 
WADA tests for beta2 agonist and  not for a specific brand name drug. He took a beta2 agonist and tested positive. What were they supposed to do? 
 
His defence was he did not know and that is not an acceptable fefence.
 
Man was trying to skirt the system. 
 
He is very lucky that he got away with that defense.
 
Same as shane warne with diuretics. He knew what he was doing.
 

You need to read what the actual UEFA judgement Said.I even quoted it where it ripped up the incompetence of Wada in the Sakho case.If they were right wada didn't go to COS?

And as I earlier mentioned both Kohli and Smith can take the same drug but Kohli will be tested positive but Smith won't be.Because wada is that incompetent.

Sakho would have tested negative if his samples were tested at Lausanne instead of Colonge.And both are wada testing labs.

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

You need to read what the actual UEFA judgement Said.I even quoted it where it ripped up the incompetence of Wada in the Sakho case.If they were right wada didn't go to COS?

And as I earlier mentioned both Kohli and Smith can take the same drug but Kohli will be tested positive but Smith won't be.Because wada is that incompetent.

Sakho would have tested negative if his samples were tested at Lausanne instead of Colonge.And both are wada testing labs.

The answer to Kohli vs Smith question is a no. Kohli can say that he got this shiladeep from Jhumritaliyan and it is not on banned list but it acts as a steroid than both labs will report it.

 

Once again go back and read the article. This drug was on banned since 2004 but not verywhere because it was a stimulant.. Some labs were checking it anyway as it was banned and others were not. The lab that was proactive caught him and reported. Other did not specifically test for it. He knew that but he unfortunately he went to tough lab and got caught.

 

Ask youself these questions.

 

Why does a football player takes weight loss drugs when they are the fittest of all athletes?

 

Why does he not report it his club that he is doing it?

 

Who told him to take that drug?

 

Did he really not know it was a stimulant?

 

His defense was he did not know?

 

If you believe his version than I have a bridge to sell you in New York.

 

All the athletes that get caught have universally used this excuse that they did not know. 

 

Do you approve of cheats playingthe game?

[Vilander]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

trust me on this one. I have seen a lot

So what have you seen ?...

 

Wait no one cares man.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

WADA basically wants to be one agency that can influence all sports. BCCI and Indian cricket are making headlines around the world now due to its popularity and money.So far they flew under the radar.

 

ICC doesnt require its members to be WADA accredited. So why is WADA so interested in BCCI? Are they some kind of super law enforcing agency? Now since ICC cant force BCCI, they are trying to get the Govt to pressurise BCCI.

 

WADA shouldnot even exist.Every global sporting body should have its own.

 

WADA receives half of its budget from national govt and half of their board is made up of representatives of national govts. Its a political organisation.

 

Those who dont know,

 

NFL,MLB,NHL and NBA  ARE NOT SIGNATORIES TO THE WADA CODE.THEY DO NOT REPORT TO THE USADA OR WADA.

 

So this threat of suspending India wont work.

 

@Trichromatic

@BeautifulGame

 

[BeautifulGame]

34 minutes ago, Khota said:

The answer to Kohli vs Smith question is a no. Kohli can say that he got this shiladeep from Jhumritaliyan and it is not on banned list but it acts as a steroid than both labs will report it.

 

No they won't and that's the fuking problem with wada incompetence.

 

As for why Sakho was taking a pill without Liverpool approval ,that is a internal issue between LFC and Sakho and last I checked Liverpool didn't take any disciplinary action.

 

If wada is right why didn't they appeal to cos ?

 

Are they now agreeable with cheating using drugs ? Because that's what logic suggests if they are right to ban him but didn't appeal?

 

Why doesn't Lausanne test for the same drugs than colegne does ?

 

And why should anyone trust an organisation that willfully turned blind eye to Russian drugging and called incompetent by UEFA.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2017 by BeautifulGame

[BeautifulGame]

46 minutes ago, Khota said:

The answer to Kohli vs Smith question is a no. Kohli can say that he got this shiladeep from Jhumritaliyan and it is not on banned list but it acts as a steroid than both labs will report it.

 

Once again go back and read the article. This drug was on banned since 2004 but not verywhere because it was a stimulant.. Some labs were checking it anyway as it was banned and others were not. The lab that was proactive caught him and reported. Other did not specifically test for it. He knew that but he unfortunately he went to tough lab and got caught.

 

Ask youself these questions.

 

Why does a football player takes weight loss drugs when they are the fittest of all athletes?

Because he had weight problems .

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/24/honest-warrior-mamadou-sakho-sweats-over-drug-ban-as-previous-we/

 

He has taken the same drugs previously and never tested positive.

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Why does he not report it his club that he is doing it?

Thats between Liverpool and Sakho .Nothing to do with wada

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Who told him to take that drug?

 

His trainer .

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Did he really not know it was a stimulant?

 

When WADA itself doesn't know it was a stimulant why the * should he know.

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His defense was he did not know?

 

No his defense was it wasn't prohibited.And UEFA upheld the defend and acquited him.And wada accepted that veridct and didn't apply against.

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If you believe his version than I have a bridge to sell you in New York.

Yeah that's why UEFA acquitted him and wada didn't apply against the verdict.

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All the athletes that get caught have universally used this excuse that they did not know. 

Should read the UEFA verdict 

 

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Do you approve of cheats playingthe game?

Well wada seems to have no issue . 

Edited October 28, 2017 by BeautifulGame

[Khota]

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

No they won't and that's the fuking problem with wada incompetence.

 

Yes they will. They know it is banned and one lab was more sensitive than others.

 

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

As for why Sakho was taking a pill without Liverpool approval ,that is a internal issue between LFC and Sakho and last I checked Liverpool didn't take any disciplinary action.

He was hiding. teams dont take action against their own players only for one reason. They want to win.

 

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

His trainer .

Exactly. Trainers know what drugs to take and not get caught. He got caught.

 

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

When WADA itself doesn't know it was a stimulant why the * should he know.

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They knew it is a stimulant they were just testing it under a broader umbrella and not that specific name. That is why he got caught.

 

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

No his defense was it wasn't prohibited.And UEFA upheld the defend and acquited him.And wada accepted that veridct and didn't apply against.

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He knew he could take a banned substance under a different name.

 

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

Yeah that's why UEFA acquitted him and wada didn't apply against the verdict.

He got off on a technicality. He is still a druggie.

 

1 hour ago, BeautifulGame said:

Well wada seems to have no issue . 

So you encourage a culture of cheating and unfair advantage.

 

Everything he did was a drug induced advantage.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Khota

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

WADA basically wants to be one agency that can influence all sports. BCCI and Indian cricket are making headlines around the world now due to its popularity and money.So far they flew under the radar.

 

ICC doesnt require its members to be WADA accredited. So why is WADA so interested in BCCI? Are they some kind of super law enforcing agency? Now since ICC cant force BCCI, they are trying to get the Govt to pressurise BCCI.

 

WADA shouldnot even exist.Every global sporting body should have its own.

 

WADA receives half of its budget from national govt and half of their board is made up of representatives of national govts. Its a political organisation.

 

Those who dont know,

 

NFL,MLB,NHL and NBA  ARE NOT SIGNATORIES TO THE WADA CODE.THEY DO NOT REPORT TO THE USADA OR WADA.

 

So this threat of suspending India wont work.

 

@Trichromatic

@BeautifulGame

 

That by itself is a valid point. Only thing is that no other country plays football etc. so these organizations can get away with it. Cricket has a problem because England/Australia have a say.

 

What bothers me is basketball is played in other countries too.

[Pollack]

Why is icf in victim mode or paranoid always? Goras are trying to dominate BCCI

 

BCCI and Indian cricketers should comply. If one really buys excuses that some of the players give under guidance of expert chemists who help them hiding and making their misadventures possible , then he is living in fools paradise.

[cricketrulez]

15 hours ago, Khota said:

 

Olympic comittee does that too. Drug evasion with diuretics is very common. To have any faith in the sytem it is best to comply. Swimmers have to do it and most of olympic athletes do it too.

If you dont have an element of surprise testing is useless. Look at what Shane Warne did?

 

As far as privacy is concerned it is a weak arguement. Cricket players in India have no privacy to begin with. That is true of any football player or any other player.

 

trust me on this one. I have seen a lot and it is best to comply.

 EPL, UEFA, LA liga, serie A do not have to abide by the Whereabouts clause. You are gora bootlicker.

Edited October 29, 2017 by beetle

[cricketrulez]

3 hours ago, Khota said:

That by itself is a valid point. Only thing is that no other country plays football etc. so these organizations can get away with it. Cricket has a problem because England/Australia have a say.

 

What bothers me is basketball is played in other countries too.

no other country plays basketball? ice hockey? baseball?

[cricketrulez]

7 hours ago, Khota said:

Yes they will. They know it is banned and one lab was more sensitive than others.

 

He was hiding. teams dont take action against their own players only for one reason. They want to win.

 

Exactly. Trainers know what drugs to take and not get caught. He got caught.

 

They knew it is a stimulant they were just testing it under a broader umbrella and not that specific name. That is why he got caught.

 

He knew he could take a banned substance under a different name.

 

He got off on a technicality. He is still a druggie.

 

So you encourage a culture of cheating and unfair advantage.

 

Everything he did was a drug induced advantage.

so you don't mind submitting to a hypocritical organization? this matter was discussed to death 10 years ago. this is WADA trying to screw with BCCI when they are under supreme court control.  you are the prime reason for colonization of easy rule over india by the poms.

 

Cycling is apparently under WADA control, yet they never caught Lance armistraong or ulrich. Many cyclist who passed all WADa tests confessed after their career was over?

 

What is used of WADA certification?

 

 

Edited October 29, 2017 by beetle

[Khota]

1 hour ago, cricketrulez said:

no other country plays basketball? ice hockey? baseball?

When they play domestic circuit they dont when they play olympics all rules are the same.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, cricketrulez said:

You are full of ****. EPL, UEFA, LA liga, serie A do not have to abide by the Whereabouts clause. You are gora bootlicker.

Who gave you the right to judge me? Domestic leagues dont have to but track/swimming etc have to.

Why is about domination to you all the time. How about doing the right thing.

[Khota]

1 hour ago, cricketrulez said:

so you don't mind submitting to a hypocritical organization? this matter was discussed to death 10 years ago. this is WADA trying to screw with BCCI when they are under supreme court control. morons like you are the prime reason for colonization of easy rule over india by the poms.

 

Cycling is apparently under WADA control, yet they never caught Lance armistraong or ulrich. Many cyclist who passed all WADa tests confessed after their career was over?

 

What is used of WADA certification?

 

 

BCCI is hurting BCCI not some outside organization.

Lance Armstrong was caught so get off your high horse here.

Tour de France like I mentioned keeps urine samples in freezer so that they can go back and test too.

Doping in cycling was rampant anyway but they were smart about it.