Jump to content

The importance of introducing and backing exciting new talent with regularity


Recommended Posts

Great post. The overall competitiveness of ODI teams worldover has come down a notch except for England and Pakistan. This is helping our team in a great way.   I'm not expecting south africa to beat us badly. They themselves have host of issues especially in lower middle order and  bowling. I had some hope but selecting Dinesh Karthik with the worldcup due in less than two years has confirmed that nothing is going to change.

Link to comment

A great post that most cricket fans will fully agree with. Besides the players mentioned above, there are couple others who were backed at a young age and though they didn't turn out to be superstars, they did have moments where they did well. Parthiv Patel was the captain of a junior India team of which Vengsarkar was the manager/coach. He was very impressed by the youngster's temperament and gave a glowing recommendation of him. Very soon, Parthiv debuted for India though he had limited to no first class experience. Ajit Agarkar was on under 19 team of which Srikkanth was manager/coach. He spoke highly of him, and some time later Agarkar got in to the Indian team. Both Vengsarkar and Srikkanth backed a youngster purely on talent, not due to regional affiliation or business interests. 

 

But in the current environment, the chances of backing a player based on a hunch and fast tracking him are very less. After warming the bench for a long time, Rishabh Pant has disappeared from the selectors radar. Shreyas Iyer will most likely go through the same. Kuldeep Yadav was not selected in the test X1 despite the coach Kumble strongly backing his selection. But unfit(not physically, but for the role) players like Rahane, Karthik etc are repeatedly backed. I think there are a couple of reasons for this. One is, there is a huge amount of money at stake via endorsements. There can only be 11 players in the national team. The superstars in the X1 obviously get the biggest endorsement pay outs. Emergence of new, exciting talents in the playing X1 can relegate the not so young superstars to "senior" status. To maintain their youthful image, emergence of newer, younger superstars must be prevented. Also, from a pure cricketing perspective - these days teams have become ruthless and don't want to lose any match even after winning a series so the chances of youngsters getting a look in take a hit due to this reason as well.

 

Another reason could be IPL rivalries. Don't want to name names but it isn't uncommon for some of the superstars to sledge younger players on other teams and the young ones to reply in kind, creating bad blood between them. Murali Kartik's career suffered because he was an in your face type of personality whose antics in a domestic game or two against Saurav Ganguly did not go down too well. IPL being more intense with so much at stake, one can only imagine the level of clashes and feuds between domestic players. In the current enviroment youngsters need to do well, and on a consistent basis to stand a chance of making a career for themselves.

Edited by nevada
Link to comment
2 hours ago, BeautifulGame said:

People will happily watch and follow a winning team.

 

When you lose regularly is when you need superstars to cling onto.And that's what we were in 80s and most of 90s.

 

Would you have watched as many ODIs with interest in the 2005 to 2013 period if it was Parthiv or Karthick in place of Dhoni  ?

 

Would we have won as many ODIs between 2005 to 2013 if it was Parthiv or Karthick in place of Dhoni  ?

 

Edited by express bowling
Link to comment

One of the biggest failure of this team mngmt has been this only- developing youngsters. Why do i say failure its becoz of the amazing pool of players we have now 

 

Iyer, pant could have been given chances

Rahul (odi) n Nair (test) could have been well backed 

Kuldeep and chahal could have been given chances before CT 

Aniket cud have been given a go in test series against aus rather we choose ishant again. 

 

SL tour, Wi tour, Ind-Aus t20 series - these were 15-20 games were we cud have tried so many youngster and few good champion players could have been discovered instead we gave these games to regulars whose personal record got better. 

 

These 15-20 games cud cost us World cup as few players might miss out due to lack of exp excuse and the likes of karthik , yuvraj , raina cud be seen back just on basis of their experience . 

 

So much to try, so lil time left that to now will be overseas , may be these tough tours wud literally challenge players and highlight many of our problem that has been thrown under carpet coz we are winning without being even challenged 

Link to comment

Such beautifully written post.:clap:

Want to shove it on the faces of those who are hell bent on destroying young careers.

Also there is a certain lobby in the BCCI and its close quarters who wants us to believe things are fine and hunky dory. Shastri, Manjrekar, Gavaskar, Bhogle all repeat the same rhetoric and push a certain agenda in their own subtle way like they get an orgasm.

In the last 7 years we have endured some terrible losses, who will be accountable for it? Ask some tough questions?

Nah, but just briefly touch the topic for a few mins and voila the series/tour is over.

8-0 loss in Eng,Aus- Any changes? No, only the oldies retired. The rest repeated again. Pujara warmed the bench in Aus in 2012.

SA tour 2013- SA almost chased the total of 438. We played the same recycled team again and again.

Do these experts/journalists/former greats ask why this attack which comprises of Ishant as its most experienced player, has the figures of 329 (Clarke), 294 (Cook), 302 (McCullum) scored against?

We have already lost a few ICC trophies just by not being pragmatic.

And I don't think there will be many changes in the team, even if we lose the final ODI against NZ(their 1st ODI series win) . The bigshots in the team will find one way or the other to keep the youngsters out.

Edited by Turning_track
Link to comment
1 hour ago, maniac said:

The problem right now is a lot of player power...Reminds me of the saying letting inmates run the asylum...In the history of Indian cricket apart from Sachin I have never seen an individual cricketer enjoy so much power and leverage leave alone a group of players....BCCI and the administration from time to time let players know who is the boss- even with  Likes of Kapil,Gavaskar and Ganguly it never felt that they were bigger than the selectors or BCCI....in fact those days don’t think selectors were not even decent domestic cricketers leave alone mediocre international cricketers that we have now.

 

The whole Kohli-Kumble thing lets put taking sides aside for a moment and for argument sake let us say Kumble was the worst coach ever,it was still a poorly handled debacle by the BCCI.Some times right or wrong you just have to put your foot downbut the whole fiasco felt like BCCI just gave in to demands of a few individuals.

 

Look at the selections right now...Young batsmen are not tried and the ones with potential are benched like KL Rahul. Even though never a big fan of either Jadhav or Pandey,clearly Pandey has the more upside of the 2...a better fielder and a better athlete.Jadhav even though has been a decent journey man cricketer it is clear that he feels like a safer option being a 30+ year old under achiever.

 

Let us buy the argument for a second  that there is no alternative to Dhoni and Dhoni has been a brilliant performer playing in his prime right now and has stellar stats,but it’s a fact that he is not going to play T20’beyond 2018 or Odi after 2019, where are the alternatives being readied to take over from him? Are we just going to throw options at the wall and hope they stick after 2018 and 2019??? Where is the back up plan? Is it a 33yr old Karthik...u gotta be kidding

 

Jayant Yadav performs decently as an allrounder/Spinner but he is clearly a threat to Ash and Jadeja and slowly he disappears from the face of the earth.

 

Sran a left armer shows a lot of promise but inexplicably Nehra makes a comeback to the side from nowhere in 2016.

 

Dhawan performs poorly in all his T20 opportunities and is dropped from T20 but just walks into the T20 side with no questions raised.

 

Karun Nair even though I still think his 300

was a fluke but it is still a frickin 300 at the test level against a top side-England...he just gets 3 more games and is dropped without even being in the scheme of things.

 

Something is clearly not right. 

 

 

top post.

 

KL Rahul, Pandey, Jayant Yadav, surely something is wrong.

Link to comment

See it's like a river flowing, once water stops moving it becomes stagnant n stale, the health of a team is based on this dynamics, steady supply of fresh talent, keeping team strong and from getting stale n weak.

Now how does that work, three formats three different teams based on merit, selectors are majorly to be blamed for picking players who r good in one format and reward them with a spot in a format they r poor in, Example Rahane in ODI, Dhawan in T20.

Again selectors to be blamed for not rewarding consistent n good performances in A tours n ,Ranji, BP 11 teams by picking up the worthy players at least two in each format from that pool consistently.

What we are seeing with the Advent of IPL , and big money any signing up with Rhiti Cornerstone n captains of the team belonging to either influencing selection of his pet pals, example RP Singh who was picked by Dhoni out of nowhere coz he was signed up with Dhonis firm Rhiti, or who can forget his CSK mates in the team.

It looks like being in the Indian squad is a fiefdom or privilege of a few n it's hard for potential till new talent to make their way as established players in formats and captains will makes it hard to get in guys like K Yadav.

Selectors not having balls or vision n despite very poor numbers by Dhoni , n guys like Yuvi n other has been have clung onto them, n believe they will serve India in 2019 lol.Kartik at 32 n being a failure for 13 years finds a place, n one think he lacked was temperament which is hard to change .

Selectors should select with a plan in mind n independently for each format, Captains should be monitored n also the Nexus between Sports management firms n IPL teammates becoming indespensible, Dhoni had started a dangerous precedent n we had to deal with all those losses, Kohli is too much into loyalty n is not showing objectivity in selecting playing 11, where Kumble was right.

Selectors picking up youngsters for T20 especially young bowlers is a wrong was to groom them, Siraj should have been picked up for ODI instead.

Indian test team is stable n strong but still squad needs at least two rookies or young talent.

ODI team is poor n stagnant n this is due to selection n Dhoni being in the team n not playing young talent.

T20 team is worse as freeloaders who are playing either test or ODi are picked up in T20 without merit.

Shami is being wasted, promising guys like Aniket, Ankit, Hooda, Pant, Iyer are not getting a chance to show their potential n challenge guys like Rahane n Dhawan .

Indian cricket team is become like a small previlidged group n no one can challenge players who r in squad for their places ven if they are not good enough n that is sad.

Link to comment

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...