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27 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

The Top teams you are speaking about have Roy (SR 104), Alex Hales (SR 97), Warner (sr 97), Finch (sr 90) and We have Dhawan (sr 92), Rohit Sharma (sr 86). You made the sense in last part. Dhawan and Rohit are not gonna anywhere. They will play same tuk tuk single tuk tuk with occasional boundaries. So we have to choose our team combination with our line up not looking at English lineup. If we are not gonna play explosive then better play a batsman short and bowler extra to defend the total.

 

Even if we are imitating English then also we should be playing Pandya in top 6 like Stokes does and have to find our Moeen Ali ( Krunal Pandya). What the hell are we doing with just 5 bowlers?? English have 6 bowlers (stokes, woakes, ali, rashid, wood, plunkett).
We have one of the *ed team balance right now in the world even after having quality players. That's for sure.

 

 

 s/r of ind  vs eng 

 

eng  batting over last 2 years

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
JE Root 2015-2017 54 50 6 2502 133* 56.86 2720 91.98 7 17 1 221 21 investigate this query
EJG Morgan 2015-2017 60 54 4 2076 121 41.52 2199 94.40 5 12 6 178 66 investigate this query
AD Hales 2015-2017 46 44 2 1731 171 41.21 1742 99.36 5 10 3 200 37 investigate this query
JJ Roy 2015-2017 48 47 2 1642 162 36.48 1582 103.79 3 11 4 201 21 investigate this query
JC Buttler 2015-2017 55 45 10 1503 129 42.94 1262 119.09 3 9 4 133 44 investigate this query
BA Stokes 2015-2017 38 35 6 1368 102* 47.17 1299 105.31 3 9 2 110 47 investigate this query
MM Ali 2015-2017 51 42 9 923 128 27.96 858 107.57 2 2 1 87 30 investigate this query
JM Bairstow 2015-2017 25 22 7 873 141* 58.20 907 96.25 2 5 1 87 8

 

 

ind batting over 2 years

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2015-2017 56 56 12 2822 154* 64.13 2985 94.53 11 12 2 242 38 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2015-2017 45 45 4 2455 171* 59.87 2566 95.67 10 11 3 224 75 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2015-2017 44 44 1 1824 137 42.41 1947 93.68 5 11 0 225 26 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2015-2017 59 47 12 1634 134 46.68 1922 85.01 1 10 1 118 36 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2015-2017 42 40 2 1592 103 41.89 2001 79.56 1 16 1 156 17 investigate this query
KM Jadhav 2015-2017 36 25 7 777 120 43.16 705 110.21 2 3 2 82 15 investigate this query
HH Pandya 2016-2017 29 19 3 584 83 36.50 492 118.69 0 4 1 35 30 investigate this query
SK Raina 2015-2015 20 17 1 517 110* 32.31 520 99.42 1 4 2 42 14 investigate this query
MK Pandey 2015-2017 19 16 6 430 104* 43.00 449 95.76 1 2 2 37 4 investigate this query
Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 11 10 1 372 150 41.33 377 98.67 1 1 0 46 7 investigate this query
AT Rayudu 2015-2016 10 9 3 370 124* 61.66 493 75.05 1 1 1 35 2 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2016-2017 10 9 2 248 100* 35.42 307 80.78 1 1 0 20 4 investigate this query

 

 

 

pretty clear rohit, kohli dhawan s/rs not as bad ,roy has been inconsistent as he plays too many shots .

 

 

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All bowler have off days, but BK and Bumrah are at a bigger disadvantage since they are the only players in the playing 11 that can bowl at the death and in the first 10 pp overs. So if they are going for runs they can't be temporarily taken out of the attack and replaced by a 3rd seamer. This is why I really hope Siraj gets a few games and has an instant impact the way bumrah did when he got his first international Call up.

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5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah, BK, and Shami are our top 3 pacers in ODIs. Ideally, all three must play most of our important games.  Pandya as a 5th bowler is a huge compromise for us at the moment. 

Also with flat decks mostly in ODIs these days, it makes more sense to have 5 frontline bowlers rather than 4, so the fifth bowler should be a bowling allrounder or bowler rather than a batting allrounder.

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8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah, BK, and Shami are our top 3 pacers in ODIs. Ideally, all three must play most of our important games.  Pandya as a 5th bowler is a huge compromise for us at the moment. 

problem is the bowlers  cant bat so you cant play the best 5 bowlers

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4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

problem is the bowlers  cant bat so you cant play the best 5 bowlers

Ideally, in Indian conditions, we need a spinning alrounder, who can play as a 2nd spinner, more than a seam alrounder.  Seam alrounder is needed more overseas to play as a 4th seamer.  Because in India we will have to play 2 spinners and if we play a seam alrounder who is more of a batsman then it weakens our pace department, especially, when you have some someone like Shami sitting out and sweating it out in Ranji Trophy unnecessarily.

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ideally, in Indian conditions, we need a spinning alrounder, who can play as a 2nd spinner, more than a seam alrounder.  Seam alrounder is needed more overseas to play as a 4th seamer.  Because in India we will have to play 2 spinners and if we play a seam alrounder who is more of a batsman then it weakens our pace department, especially, when you have some someone like Shami sitting out and sweating it out in Ranji Trophy unnecessarily.

we dont encourage allrounders ,there are hardly any except krunal ,as a 2nd genuine spinner could be taken apart or maybe he can bowl some good sliders and straighter ones to righthanders.

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5 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

we dont encourage allrounders ,there are hardly any except krunal ,as a 2nd genuine spinner could be taken apart or maybe he can bowl some good sliders and straighter ones to righthanders.

Krunal did well this IPL with both bat and ball.  There is another one K Gowtham who is also a big hitting batsman plus an off spinner. We already have a leg spinner for right handers in Chahal and an off spinner will be more useful to tackle left handers,

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3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

 

 

 s/r of ind  vs eng 

 

eng  batting over last 2 years

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
JE Root 2015-2017 54 50 6 2502 133* 56.86 2720 91.98 7 17 1 221 21 investigate this query
EJG Morgan 2015-2017 60 54 4 2076 121 41.52 2199 94.40 5 12 6 178 66 investigate this query
AD Hales 2015-2017 46 44 2 1731 171 41.21 1742 99.36 5 10 3 200 37 investigate this query
JJ Roy 2015-2017 48 47 2 1642 162 36.48 1582 103.79 3 11 4 201 21 investigate this query
JC Buttler 2015-2017 55 45 10 1503 129 42.94 1262 119.09 3 9 4 133 44 investigate this query
BA Stokes 2015-2017 38 35 6 1368 102* 47.17 1299 105.31 3 9 2 110 47 investigate this query
MM Ali 2015-2017 51 42 9 923 128 27.96 858 107.57 2 2 1 87 30

 

 

 

ind batting over 2 years

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli 2015-2017 56 56 12 2822 154* 64.13 2985 94.53 11 12 2 242 38 investigate this query
RG Sharma 2015-2017 45 45 4 2455 171* 59.87 2566 95.67 10 11 3 224 75 investigate this query
S Dhawan 2015-2017 44 44 1 1824 137 42.41 1947 93.68 5 11 0 225 26 investigate this query
MS Dhoni 2015-2017 59 47 12 1634 134 46.68 1922 85.01 1 10 1 118 36 investigate this query
AM Rahane 2015-2017 42 40 2 1592 103 41.89 2001 79.56 1 16 1 156 17 investigate this query
KM Jadhav 2015-2017 36 25 7 777 120 43.16 705 110.21 2 3 2 82 15 investigate this query
HH Pandya 2016-2017 29 19 3 584 83 36.50 492 118.69 0 4 1 35 30 investigate this query
SK Raina 2015-2015 20 17 1 517 110* 32.31 520 99.42 1 4 2 42 14 investigate this query
MK Pandey 2015-2017 19 16 6 430 104* 43.00 449 95.76 1 2 2 37 4 investigate this query
Yuvraj Singh 2017-2017 11 10 1 372 150 41.33 377 98.67 1 1 0 46 7 investigate this query
AT Rayudu 2015-2016 10 9 3 370 124* 61.66 493 75.05 1 1 1 35 2 investigate this query
KL Rahul 2016-2017 10 9 2 248 100* 35.42 307 80.78 1 1 0 20 4 investigate this query

 

 

 

pretty clear rohit, kohli dhawan s/rs not as bad ,roy has been inconsistent as he plays too many shots .

 

 

Strike Rate Stats like this wont explain the point Bro. Let me do the maths here.

INDIA Avg(without not outs)

Rohit- Avg 54.55, Balls he will take  57

Dhawan- Avg 41.45, Balls he will take 44

Kohli- Avg 50.39, Balls he will take  54

MK Pandey- Avg 26.875, Balls he will take 28
Hardik PAndya- Avg 30.73, Balls he will take  26

Jadhav- Avg-31.08,Balls he will take 28

Dhoni- Avg- 34.76, Balls he will take 41

 

India 270 in 278 balls , (RR-5.84)

 

ENGLAND

Roy-Avg 34.93, Balls he will take 34

Hales-Avg 39.34, Balls he will take 40

Root-Avg 50.04, Balls he will take 55

Morgan-Avg 38.44, Balls he will take 41

Stokes-Avg 39.08, Balls he will take 37

Butler-Avg 33.4, Balls he will take 28

Ali-Avg 21.97, Balls he will take 21

 

England 257 in 256 balls (RR-6.06)

 

India would have made 246 runs in 256 balls. Extrapolate it to 50 overs. England are 10-15 runs ahead everytime. And remember they are playing 6 bowlers with Wood, Plunkett, Rashid, Woakes, Ali, Stokes whereas we are playing an extra batsman in Kedar Jadhav.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Vilander said:

is Siraj the only option what happened to nathu and ankit rajpoot.

Rajpoot is good too, can bowl good yorkers. Nathu is still rehabbing after he suffered a back stress fracture during IPL. The video I had posted of him working out in the gym with light weight was a rehab process for his back.

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11 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Strike Rate Stats like this wont explain the point Bro. Let me do the maths here.

INDIA Avg(without not outs)

Rohit- Avg 54.55, Balls he will take  57

Dhawan- Avg 41.45, Balls he will take 44

Kohli- Avg 50.39, Balls he will take  54

MK Pandey- Avg 26.875, Balls he will take 28
Hardik PAndya- Avg 30.73, Balls he will take  26

Jadhav- Avg-31.08,Balls he will take 28

Dhoni- Avg- 34.76, Balls he will take 41

 

India 270 in 278 balls , (RR-5.84)

 

ENGLAND

Roy-Avg 34.93, Balls he will take 34

Hales-Avg 39.34, Balls he will take 40

Root-Avg 50.04, Balls he will take 55

Morgan-Avg 38.44, Balls he will take 41

Stokes-Avg 39.08, Balls he will take 37

Butler-Avg 33.4, Balls he will take 28

Ali-Avg 21.97, Balls he will take 21

 

England 257 in 256 balls (RR-6.06)

 

India would have made 246 runs in 256 balls. Extrapolate it to 50 overs. England are 10-15 runs ahead everytime. And remember they are playing 6 bowlers with Wood, Plunkett, Rashid, Woakes, Ali, Stokes whereas we are playing an extra batsman in Kedar Jadhav.

 

 

i know they would be ahead but the diff is not as big you portrayed before and eng is going through a great odi batting phase not many can play like that

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15 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Krunal did well this IPL with both bat and ball.  There is another one K Gowtham who is also a big hitting batsman plus an off spinner. We already have a leg spinner for right handers in Chahal and an off spinner will be more useful to tackle left handers,

i am not so sure if krunal and gowtham can be consistent and if another bowler gets hit you would be in trouble like in this match

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4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

i know they would be ahead but the diff is not as big you portrayed before and eng is going through a great odi batting phase not many can play like that

Then why we need to follow their suite of playing deep batting line up? Look mate we didn't had batting problem earlier when Dhoni was captain.We had problems with bowling. The problem was with our bowling esp death bowling. Then Aswin/ Jaddu were quite good in middle overs ( before 15wc). Now we have solved our death bowling but have created a new one i.e; no proper third seamer in line up.

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1 hour ago, swastikpanda2 said:

The Top teams you are speaking about have Roy (SR 104), Alex Hales (SR 97), Warner (sr 97), Finch (sr 90) and We have Dhawan (sr 92), Rohit Sharma (sr 86). You made the sense in last part. Dhawan and Rohit are not gonna anywhere. They will play same tuk tuk single tuk tuk with occasional boundaries. So we have to choose our team combination with our line up not looking at English lineup. If we are not gonna play explosive then better play a batsman short and bowler extra to defend the total.

 

Even if we are imitating English then also we should be playing Pandya in top 6 like Stokes does and have to find our Moeen Ali ( Krunal Pandya). What the hell are we doing with just 5 bowlers?? English have 6 bowlers (stokes, woakes, ali, rashid, wood, plunkett).
We have one of the ****ed team balance right now in the world even after having quality players. That's for sure.

Thing is, I still believe that our batsmen are capable of better, but don't due to team strategy.  Rohit Sharma, for instance, is simply a better batsman than a Finch/Roy or Hales.  But those guys approach their innings in ODI with a specific mindset - they are tasked to score at 7+ RPO in the 1st 10.  And if they manage to survive past the 10 overs, then they have earned the right for a big innings, and get the opportunity to do so.  Its phucking reverse gravity in our team - our top 3 are shamelessly allowed to "get their eye in" so that they can "go big".  So what if you just wasted opportunities to max out the team score, you can focus on maxing out your personal score, and claim that its best for the team.   

 

And you'll have clueless fans chest-beating about the middle order "not doing enough".  

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2 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Then why we need to follow their suite of playing deep batting line up? Look mate we didn't had batting problem earlier when Dhoni was captain.We had problems with bowling. The problem was with our bowling esp death bowling. Then Aswin/ Jaddu were quite good in middle overs ( before 15wc). Now we have solved our death bowling but have created a new one i.e; no proper third seamer in line up.

most teams has deep batting not just eng but eng are the most explosive so ppl want to be like them ,realistically i dont think you can match them but there is no harm in aiming to be the best.

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16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

most teams has deep batting not just eng but eng are the most explosive so ppl want to be like them ,realistically i dont think you can match them but there is no harm in aiming to be the best.

Eng also have the shittiest bowling line up. The best team SA does not play a batsman/ batting allrounder/ all rounder at No. 7. They have pretty good bowling line up

Phehlulkawayo( bowling all rounder), Morris, Rabada, Morkel, Tahir.

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27 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

i am not so sure if krunal and gowtham can be consistent and if another bowler gets hit you would be in trouble like in this match

i will have Pandya too batting at 6 and giving another bowling option.

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13 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Eng also have the shittiest bowling line up. The best team SA does not play a batsman/ batting allrounder/ all rounder at No. 7. They have pretty good bowling line up

Phehlulkawayo( bowling all rounder), Morris, Rabada, Morkel, Tahir.

i was talking about batting ,sa batting since wc hasnt been as eng and morris, morkel hardly plays odis they are always injured or something.

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Why is the England ODI team such a benchmark suddenly  ?

 

England is ranked 4th in the ICC ODI rankings and we are ranked  2nd.

 

England was a semifinalist in CT17 and we were the runners-up

 

England did not make it to the semifinals of WC 15 and we did.

 

England lost to us in the last bilateral ODI series between us a year back.

 

Whatever dashing approach they are taking, upfront or otherwise,is not working that well for them .

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44 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Eng also have the shittiest bowling line up. The best team SA does not play a batsman/ batting allrounder/ all rounder at No. 7. They have pretty good bowling line up

Phehlulkawayo( bowling all rounder), Morris, Rabada, Morkel, Tahir.

Phelukwayo and Morris aren't exactly top shelf bowlers.   And SA is lucky to have QdK as their Keeper.   There is no 'perfect' team on the circuit.  England have the weakest bowling, Australia have a fragile batting order, while SA really don't have that 6th bowling option, or even a decent 5th one.   

 

My problem is that even in this sea of mediocrity, a team like India, which has so much talent at its disposal, is blatantly underachieving on the batting side of things.  

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17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why is the England ODI team such a benchmark suddenly  ?

 

England is ranked 4th in the ICC ODI rankings and we are ranked  2nd.

 

England was a semifinalist in CT17 and we were the runners-up

 

England did not make it to the semifinals of WC 15 and we did.

 

England lost to us in the last bilateral ODI series between us a year back.

 

Whatever dashing approach they are taking, upfront or otherwise,is not working that well for them .

England team after wc 2015 has become a benchmark not the one during or prior.

 

England has since then uncovered potential of players like Hales,Stokes,Woakes,Jos Butler, Jason Roy etc etc 

 

They almost won the WT20 2016 if not for that freakish last over.

 

Now They may  still not be world beaters and have problems but given where England was before Wc 2015 and where they are now it’s a huge upgrade.

 

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24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why is the England ODI team such a benchmark suddenly  ?

 

England is ranked 4th in the ICC ODI rankings and we are ranked  2nd.

 

England was a semifinalist in CT17 and we were the runners-up

 

England did not make it to the semifinals of WC 15 and we did.

 

England lost to us in the last bilateral ODI series between us a year back.

 

Whatever dashing approach they are taking, upfront or otherwise,is not working that well for them .

I think most of us want to replicate the approach while batting that England has changed. Their bowling is crap though.

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27 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

I think most of us want to replicate the approach while batting that England has changed. Their bowling is crap though.

 

I feel that one issue with our batters trying to replicate the first 7-over hitting is that ....  our batters these days are not comfortable against swing. Even a little bit of swing makes them uncomfortable and they often end up losing their wickets.

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58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Phelukwayo and Morris aren't exactly top shelf bowlers.   And SA is lucky to have QdK as their Keeper.   There is no 'perfect' team on the circuit.  England have the weakest bowling, Australia have a fragile batting order, while SA really don't have that 6th bowling option, or even a decent 5th one.   

 

My problem is that even in this sea of mediocrity, a team like India, which has so much talent at its disposal, is blatantly underachieving on the batting side of things.  

Moris > Axar Patel. We could have tried Shardul Thakur at 9 and Bhuvi at No.8. But Kaptaan wants a bowling all rounder at No. 8 who can get his overs done economically and can give hope of pseudo deep batting line up.

 

We do have a balance problem. And we lost the CT Final by playing Jadeja instead of Shami. I don't see any hope of playing a proper 3rd seamer while playing outside SC by looking at the combination we had in CT. 

 

I feel we play a phucking pseudo deep batting line up on cards to hide mediocre players like DK, Jadhav, Dhoni.

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

We are talking about ODIs here.

 

T20s require a different approach.

 

We are a mediocre T20I side and can learn from 4 or 5 teams including England.

I am talking about their mindset in general to how they approach the limited overs format...their batting line up from 1-8  is definitely exciting...yes bowling is very weak.

 

They have someone like Moeen Ali who is coming in at 8 who can hit 100s at 100+ s/r

 

but Yes Moeen Ali,Stokes,Woakes are fantastic allrounders but if they are 3 out of your 5 bowlers that also has a downside.

 

This change of mindset since 2015 wc is what is turning heads...they are not no.1 agreed but clearly they are the most entertaining LOI side in the world and given where they are we tend to magnify it even more.

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20 minutes ago, maniac said:

I am talking about their mindset in general to how they approach the limited overs format...their batting line up from 1-8  is definitely exciting...yes bowling is very weak.

 

They have someone like Moeen Ali who is coming in at 8 who can hit 100s at 100+ s/r

 

but Yes Moeen Ali,Stokes,Woakes are fantastic allrounders but if they are 3 out of your 5 bowlers that also has a downside.

 

This change of mindset since 2015 wc is what is turning heads...they are not no.1 agreed but clearly they are the most entertaining LOI side in the world and given where they are we tend to magnify it even more.

 

We need some big hitters from 4 to 7.

 

And tell atleast one of the openers to be more pro-active after the ball stops swinging. 

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Wanted to reply to this guys here @Trichromatic

 

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Problem is Bhuvi goes in 2 modes only in ODIs. Decent with good ER, but 0-1 wicket on good days and thrashing on bad days. There are rare days of 2 or more wickets days for him. 

For other there is an extra mode of 2 or more wickets days and those are considered same as Bhuvi's ok days by @New guy, then when bad day comes, just point out thrashing for others ignoring that overall others have been better.[/Quote]

 

Last 3 series, 5 for 42, 3 for 9, 3 for 45. All 3 man of the match worthy performances which won games. But, but he only takes 1-2 wickets on good days. Also his "thrashing" as you called it are very, very, very rare. In fact he has gone above 60 only once this year, last match. So another lie by you

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, New guy said:

LMAO this is what people with lack of critical thinking show. Obviously people have no idea that we are talking about CURRENT form and not historical numbers. 

You make me laugh. XD 

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56 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

You make me laugh. XD 

Stats: Most expensive bowler

 

The Best bowler of Pakistan Hassan Ali gave away 100 runs in just 9 overs against Australia. ( Worst economy ever who had bowled atleast 9 overs )

 

The Worst bowler of India in LOI, Ishant Sharma had conceded 82 runs in his 10 overs.

 

Laugh harder. 

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On 10/29/2017 at 6:42 PM, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

BK is a very limited and avg bowler.While he may have had a purple patch of sorts in last 12-18 months, he was again exposed today.His overall career avg shows how mediocre he is.

 

He is the weakest link and India must play someone like Shami in his place.

 

 

LOL...everyone has one off day....

Chill out dude...

one bad day will not make him a bad bowler

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26 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Stats: Most expensive bowler

 

The Best bowler of Pakistan Hassan Ali gave away 100 runs in just 9 overs against Australia. ( Worst economy ever who had bowled atleast 9 overs )

 

The Worst bowler of India in LOI, Ishant Sharma had conceded 82 runs in his 10 overs.

 

Laugh harder. 

But still whose the number 1 bowler of the world?

 

I am still laughing :phehe:

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