Bhuvi Kumar exposed

[Malcolm Merlyn]

1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

 

 

 

Today even a tailender can score a quick 30 ball 50. You will see guys like Adil Rashid coming an: hitting sixes and are hard to get out because bowlers today try hard to get them out by bowling yorkers but they end up escaping as the lower batsmen game today is good enough now to survive unlike players from the past who could not survive for long. 

 

Now captains use you in 3-4 over spell and want you to kee pressure on the batsman because every team is likely to play 50 overs with the batting every team has batting till no. 10. So wickets aren’t coming as fast like it used to in early days. 

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Southee averages far worse in last year. In fact Southee averages 45 since world cup. He plays abead of Milne and other NZ bowlers because NZ board know he is one of the best in the country if not the best. Bhuvi plays ahead because averages can’t be trusted. In today’s game its about how many good balls you are bowling out od the six deliveries in an over because that is what ultimately puts pressure.

 

So new zealand is making a mistake and we should do the same.Right? Averages cant be trusted because its doesnt suit your argument. BK is a very mediocre ODI bowler and his 37 avg reveals that. So you are putting 6 balls in the good area ad still not getting wickets and still getting carted for runs?

 

BK avgs and SRs againist top 6 ODI sides he has played since 2015

 

Team  Avg  Economy

Aus    47.4       5.24

BD     30.5        5.5

NZ     38.6        6.4

SA      41.1       6.5

Eng    119        6.6

 

So where is he performing?Againist the hapless Lankans and Windies teams?

 

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Game has changed. Its no more go for wicket. Now its about contain and bowl in good areas and the wickets will come. Bowlers are looking to be accurate than go for a yorker and get hit for a four on full toss. Yes, we can debate on this all day but the professions on the field are playing it that way and they are thinking that way for a reason. 

 

So where is he containing?Againist good teams he is going over 5 runs an over and his avg is poor too.So neither contain nor taking wickets. Professionals make mistakes all the time and are corrected by people off the field. Professionals selected Vinay Kumar and Ishant Sharma for years.

 

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Today even a tailender can score a quick 30 ball 50. You will see guys like Adil Rashid coming an: hitting sixes and are hard to get out because bowlers today try hard to get them out by bowling yorkers but they end up escaping as the lower batsmen game today is good enough now to survive unlike players from the past who could not survive for long. 

 

what has this got to do with BK being a very avg and mediocre ODI bowler?

 

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Now captains use you in 3-4 over spell and want you to kee pressure on the batsman because every team is likely to play 50 overs with the batting every team has batting till no. 10. So wickets aren’t coming as fast like it used to in early days. 

 

As you can see there are plenty of bowlers who are taking wickets and hence have a better avg and SR than BK.

 

Doing the same againist top 6 nations reveal a even more damning stat. Among the bowlers who have atleast taken 20 wickets againist the top 6 teams since 31st mar 2015 BK has the worst avg.

 

 

Look at that economy of over 6.

 

So what were you taking about? Next time look up a few stats and not get personal.

[Cricketics]

35 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

So new zealand is making a mistake and we should do the same.Right? Averages cant be trusted because its doesnt suit your argument. BK is a very mediocre ODI bowler and his 37 avg reveals that. So you are putting 6 balls in the good area ad still not getting wickets and still getting carted for runs?

 

BK avgs and SRs againist top 6 ODI sides he has played since 2015

 

Team  Avg  Economy

Aus    47.4       5.24

BD     30.5        5.5

NZ     38.6        6.4

SA      41.1       6.5

Eng    119        6.6

 

So where is he performing?Againist the hapless Lankans and Windies teams?

 

 

So where is he containing?Againist good teams he is going over 5 runs an over and his avg is poor too.So neither contain nor taking wickets. Professionals make mistakes all the time and are corrected by people off the field. Professionals selected Vinay Kumar and Ishant Sharma for years.

 

what has this got to do with BK being a very avg and mediocre ODI bowler?

 

 

As you can see there are plenty of bowlers who are taking wickets and hence have a better avg and SR than BK.

 

Doing the same againist top 6 nations reveal a even more damning stat. Among the bowlers who have atleast taken 20 wickets againist the top 6 teams since 31st mar 2015 BK has the worst avg.

 

 

Look at that economy of over 6.

 

So what were you taking about? Next time look up a few stats and not get personal.

Stats are useless like I said before. Game is changing and only recently he started playing consistently again and since his comeback he has gotten better. What you bring is his stats which shows his older stats when he had a poor average.  His recent stats have improved and it will take a while for him to bring his average to low 20s. It does not happen overnight. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Stats are useless like I said before. Game is changing and only recently he started playing consistently again and since his comeback he has gotten better. What you bring is his stats which shows his older stats when he had a poor average.  His recent stats have improved and it will take a while for him to bring his average to low 20s. It does not happen overnight. 

These stats are only from 2015.Not older than that.

Stats are useless since it doesnt suit your argument.This is lahori logic.

If he is improving why isnt the stats changing?

[MCcricket]

As fans we cannot be that flippant, one off day anyone can have, and this was a patta, n he has been good this year, but problem is when his fans argue he is great , I think by far India's best bowler is Shami, look at his S/R, also being a genuine pacer he takes pitch out of the equation, yes Shami should be rested on n off, but for me you r destroying his confidence by leaving him out also, he is our spear head, pecking order should be Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi in ODI.

[Cricketics]

20 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

 

These stats are only from 2015.Not older than that.

Stats are useless since it doesnt suit your argument.This is lahori logic.

If he is improving why isnt the stats changing?

 

Bhai i would advise you to watch more cricket and focus on more bowlers getting thrashed around the world. Its becoming common now for fast bowlers to go leak runs. In the era of twenty20 where bowlers like Steyn are going for 4 overs 50 runs so a much less bowler like Bhuvi going for that many and other bowlers isn't crazy. Other than Mitchell Starc, most bowlers are getting whacked, this is because the fast bowlers game has changed. 

 

So you can keep sharing numbers but I would ask you to tell me a replacement for Bhuvi in ODI's and assure me he will do better than Bhuvi. Bhuvi works for us in most locations and hence he continues to play for India. Yes, he is our go to bowler for World cup since it will be in England, which suits him better than anyone in the line up. So it makes sense for him to play ahead of many as he is our candidate for the world cup bowling unit. 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

28 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Bhai i would advise you to watch more cricket and focus on more bowlers getting thrashed around the world. Its becoming common now for fast bowlers to go leak runs. In the era of twenty20 where bowlers like Steyn are going for 4 overs 50 runs so a much less bowler like Bhuvi going for that many and other bowlers isn't crazy. Other than Mitchell Starc, most bowlers are getting whacked, this is because the fast bowlers game has changed. 

 

So you can keep sharing numbers but I would ask you to tell me a replacement for Bhuvi in ODI's and assure me he will do better than Bhuvi. Bhuvi works for us in most locations and hence he continues to play for India. Yes, he is our go to bowler for World cup since it will be in England, which suits him better than anyone in the line up. So it makes sense for him to play ahead of many as he is our candidate for the world cup bowling unit. 

1.Follow that advise yourself please. Steyn has performed better than BK in every form of the game.Next time please look up the stats and see the bowlers who have done a lot better than BK in ODIs.The stats are posted above. BK's bowling avg is 37 and economy 6. Thats ****.

 

2.So you have no answer to the **** performances of BK as reflected by his stats.OK. Replacement is Shami.Replacement is giving another new bowler like Siraj a chance.

 

If Bhuvi is our go to bowler then we can expect another humiliation as we had in CT 17 finals. We played Ishant Sharma for 77 tests, the result is he is still a **** bowler.Same goes for BK.Its sad that a mediocre bowler like him is in for WC selections.

[King Tendulkar]

11 hours ago, The Dark Horse said:

You guys are over reacting.

Bingo lol

[mancalledsting]

Apart from the early part of his career when he helped India to lift the CT2013, he has only recently been considered a frontline Indian bowler. This occurred following his performance in the 4th test vs Australia 2017 where him and Umesh ran the aussies ragged with pace and bounce. Following that match there was consensus that he had become a genuine fast medium bowler (as opposed to medium fast) and was backed accordingly. He then went on to be the best pacer in the 2017 ipl (amongst an international selection) and was unlucky during the 2017 CT and a couple of matches either side of it as he bowled well but didn't get his due rewards in terms of wickets. But after that he's been nothing short of exceptional and bringing up stats from other parts of his career where it was already widely acknowledged that he was not highly effective doesn't bear much relevance to quality that he brings to the table currently. That's why lot of people above don't understand or agree with your post...you bring up stats, but those stats have little relevance...seems to be a common theme on this forum 

[rkt.india]

He has been very good off late. Had an off day. I will have him on his death bowling alone. He is not far behind Bumrah in death overs. Today too his last two overs won us the game, 15 in two overs at that time, amazing stuff that too with wet ball.

[rkt.india]

Our biggest problem is Pandya as the 3rd seamer. 

[BeautifulGame]

8 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Southee averages far worse in last year. In fact Southee averages 45 since world cup. He plays abead of Milne and other NZ bowlers because NZ board know he is one of the best in the country if not the best. Bhuvi plays ahead because averages can’t be trusted. In today’s game its about how many good balls you are bowling out od the six deliveries in an over because that is what ultimately puts pressure.

 

 

Practically every NZ fan wants Southee dropped for Henry.

 

That is just awful selection from NZ and one of the reasons they were the first team to be knocked out of CT.

 

 

[SUMO]

There has to 3rd seamer. Hardik is too weak he will give 50/1 in 10 overs at best when our 2 spinners are going well.

This gives 10 harmless overs for opposition between  10-40 overs.

 

Bhuvi shami can open with new ball. Bhuvi can even continue for 7 overs spell if there is swing. 

Bumrah's 6 and shami's 3 overs in middle over will be really economical and wicket taking.

Even watson stokes aren't 3rd seamer for their team. Pandya can only do well as 3rd seamer when its turning track and 2 spinners are getting wickets in middle overs.

[Trichromatic]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Our biggest problem is Pandya as the 3rd seamer. 

That's why I arguing Pandya's bowling is more important that batting for us in groups and on forum few months back. He won't be able to maintain spot in the team with his batting alone no matter how he performs. If he does then his bowling will hurt us only. Indian team need him as bowling all-rounder and not as batting all-rounder in both formats of the game. He can't be a just a harmless part timer and contribute significantly to team. In that case it would be better to go to a specialist bat especially in tests.

 

 

[CG]

That's why I arguing Pandya's bowling is more important that batting for us in groups and on forum few months back. He won't be able to maintain spot in the team with his batting alone no matter how he performs. If he does then his bowling will hurt us only. Indian team need him as bowling all-rounder and not as batting all-rounder in both formats of the game. He can't be a just a harmless part timer and contribute significantly to team. In that case it would be better to go to a specialist bat especially in tests.
 
 

In ODIs He Is our most destructive Lower order batsman ,His Bowling Needs Improvement I would Give Him The New Ball Over Bhuvi ,Most Of His wickets Against England Came When he bowled with new ball.

[CG]

why are India not playing Shami anyway? 

Saving Him For Tests .

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

That's why I arguing Pandya's bowling is more important that batting for us in groups and on forum few months back. He won't be able to maintain spot in the team with his batting alone no matter how he performs. If he does then his bowling will hurt us only. Indian team need him as bowling all-rounder and not as batting all-rounder in both formats of the game. He can't be a just a harmless part timer and contribute significantly to team. In that case it would be better to go to a specialist bat especially in tests.

 

 

He should bat in top 6 and he will be able to play as a batting alrounder. He will hold his position as batsman alone. Actually, he will do better in tests as a bowler than ODIs or t20s. These formats need far more skills than tests.

Edited October 30, 2017 by rkt.india

[Trichromatic]

10 minutes ago, CG said:

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

That's why I arguing Pandya's bowling is more important that batting for us in groups and on forum few months back. He won't be able to maintain spot in the team with his batting alone no matter how he performs. If he does then his bowling will hurt us only. Indian team need him as bowling all-rounder and not as batting all-rounder in both formats of the game. He can't be a just a harmless part timer and contribute significantly to team. In that case it would be better to go to a specialist bat especially in tests.
 
 

In ODIs He Is our most destructive Lower order batsman ,His Bowling Needs Improvement I would Give Him The New Ball Over Bhuvi ,Most Of His wickets Against England Came When he bowled with new ball.

From his batting as long as he plays those quick fire knocks he is good enough for us. Our problem has been firepower later down the order he satisfies that requirement. We don't need him to score consistent big runs. That won't hurt the team as long as long he can hit 20s and 30s on consistent basis with ocassional 50. We have enough bats to bat for 50 overs. But his poor bowling will affect us a lot. 

 

I will take Pandya with bat avg of 25, but a consistent wicket taker in ODIs. Similarly in tests, although he will need to contribute with 2 wickets per match (Ishant's level) to remain in team with bat avg 25-30

[Trichromatic]

5 minutes ago, CG said:

6 minutes ago, gharampaani said:

why are India not playing Shami anyway? 

Saving Him For Tests .

Not really, he was selected in 2 series and captain didn't play him in matches. That's hardly saving him for tests.

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

He should bat in top 6 and he will be able to play as a batting alrounder. He will hold his position as batsman alone.

If he does then that won't solve our problems.

[CG]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

From his batting as long as he plays those quick fire knocks he is good enough for us. Our problem has been firepower later down the order he satisfies that requirement. We don't need him to score consistent big runs. That won't hurt the team as long as long he can hit 20s and 30s on consistent basis with ocassional 50. We have enough bats to bat for 50 overs. But his poor bowling will affect us a lot. 
 
I will take Pandya with bat avg of 25, but a consistent wicket taker in ODIs. Similarly in tests, although he will need to contribute with 2 wickets per match (Ishant's level) to remain in team with bat avg 25-30

In Sc He can be third seamer Abroad he will be fourth Seamer.In Modern ODIs on these Flat Pitches It's Hard to be Take wickets anyway for 3rd seamer.