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Pandya will be a huge  burden on india in tests especially overseas- cant regularly take wickets and also struggles against pace if its good length ball + he wont get 2 spinners in overseas tours...

along with dhoni, he is the most overrated player in team..

best player in team is an explosive bowling all-rounder who picks up wickets regularly..

will be thrown out from team  like a used condom after overseas tours...lol

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On 10/29/2017 at 7:04 PM, LORD_analyst said:

Pandya will be a huge  burden on india in tests especially overseas- cant regularly take wickets and also struggles against pace if its good length ball + he wont get 2 spinners in overseas tours...

along with dhoni, he is the most overrated player in team..

best player in team is an explosive bowling all-rounder who picks up wickets regularly..

will be thrown out from team  like a used condom after overseas tours...lol

Where was Champions trophy played? In India?  How did he do with the bat and ball in those games?

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On 10/29/2017 at 7:15 PM, sandeep said:

Where was Champions trophy played? In India?  How did he do with the bat and ball in those games?

 In  final of ct 17  in batting he scored about 15-20 runs on seamers and rest on spinners ....

also his bowling was good on that day   .....u can justify capabilities of player just by 1 match...

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It is too early to say if he will be success or failure in tests away from subcontinent.If Stuart Binny can play six tests this guy deserves his chances.I still don't know what his stock delivery is and one more thing is can he sustain pace, he drops to trundling speed in odis sometimes.

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12 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It is too early to say if he will be success or failure in tests away from subcontinent.If Stuart Binny can play six tests this guy deserves his chances.I still don't know what his stock delivery is and one more thing is can he sustain pace, he drops to trundling speed in odis sometimes.

he is not your main bowler in tests. He is an alrounder as 4th seamer. He is not going to bowl more than 10-15 overs a day and he has already started well in tests, already a test 100 under his belt.

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1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

he is not your main bowler in tests. He is an alrounder as 4th seamer. He is not going to bowl more than 10-15 overs a day and he has already started well in tests, already a test 100 under his belt.

Binny was an allrounder too. he scored 70 odd  in England.Pandya has scored majority of runs against spinners.It is yet to be seen he is good enough to bat at no 6, VVS Laxman was India's no 6. All rounder does not mean bits and pieces player.

As an allrounder Pandya should walk into the team either as a bowler or a batsman. As Gambhir said he needs to improve his batting a lot to fit that role.He will never be good enough to walk into the team as a bowler.

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Binny was an allrounder too. he scored 70 odd  in England.Pandya has scored majority of runs against spinners.It is yet to be seen he is good enough to bat at no 6, VVS Laxman was India's no 6. All rounder does not mean bits and pieces player.

As an allrounder Pandya should walk into the team either as a bowler or a batsman. As Gambhir said he needs to improve his batting a lot to fit that role.He will never be good enough to walk into the team as a bowler.

Pandya is a batsman, not a bits and pieces. He is already good enough to walk into this team as a batsman alone in top 6, especially in ODIs. Tests, time will tell.

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6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pandya is a batsman, not a bits and pieces. He is already good enough to walk into this team as a batsman alone in top 6, especially in ODIs. Tests, time will tell.

The discussion is about tests not odis, no one is questioning his place in odis.Tests I am not sure , I don't think we have seen enough to make an assessment on him as batsman but  at this point he is the definition of bits and pieces player. 

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On 10/29/2017 at 7:04 PM, LORD_analyst said:

Pandya will be a huge  burden on india in tests especially overseas- cant regularly take wickets and also struggles against pace if its good length ball + he wont get 2 spinners in overseas tours...

along with dhoni, he is the most overrated player in team..

best player in team is an explosive bowling all-rounder who picks up wickets regularly..

will be thrown out from team  like a used condom after overseas tours...lol

DO you have any statistics to prove your theory??

Did you know that he scored a century, against Australia A team, in Australia, in a seamer friendly pitch, with a strike rate close to 80, in a test match...

One match will not tell the story. But even before giving a chance he shouldn't be ruled out....When rohit gets N number of matches from last 5 to 10 years, Pandya should atleast get one full series outside india...

I think he perfectly fits the bill of fifth bowler and to certain extent as a batsmen...

Already Kohli considers him as next big thing in world cricket......

More than his technique, i like his attitude....he is a big match player and already proved that in CT...if not for that run out, he could have brought the game closer....real champion cricketer....

Always remember, cricket is about personality and attitude and he has plenty of that ....he is a fighter and breveheart...love him

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He will come good and we need him for our overseas however, what we don't need is, opprobrious fans like you who use invective laden language to describe a national player and making the place a cesspool in process. While eclectic discussion is fine but catechise is not and we reserve the right to oppugn the credibility of your argument. 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

I know these matches are being played in India but I would expect an allrounder to be bowling more than one over in T20s.If this is his level of bowling then India will have huge problem in tests.

 

We had 5 specialist bowlers in this match

 

6th bowler was not needed ... but still he was given 1 over and took the crucial wicket of Williamson.

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11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We had 5 specialist bowlers in this match

 

6th bowler was not needed ... but still he was given 1 over and took the crucial wicket of Williamson.

That is my point, he is being used a extra bowler.Even Ganguly used bowl medium pace and he actually took 5fers in odis and opened bowling in India in tests.

 

How you rate his bowling versus Ganguly.

 

I wish Pandya nothing but the best but what concerns me is his captain if he has options will not use him. In odis and t20s its will work but in tests it will be tough.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

That is my point, he is being used a extra bowler.Even Ganguly used bowl medium pace and he actually took 5fers in odis and opened bowling in India in tests.

 

How you rate his bowling versus Ganguly.

 

I wish Pandya nothing but the best but what concerns me is his captain if he has options will not use him. In odis and t20s its will work but in tests it will be tough.

 

In tests, Pandya will play as the batting all-rounder and 5th bowler, whose role is to send down 10 or 12 steady overs a day while the main bowlers rejuvenate themselves.

 

Ganguly was 15 to 20 k slower and did not have the ability to hit the deck hard. Did well only when the ball swung. 

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2 hours ago, putrevus said:

That is my point, he is being used a extra bowler.Even Ganguly used bowl medium pace and he actually took 5fers in odis and opened bowling in India in tests.

 

How you rate his bowling versus Ganguly.

 

I wish Pandya nothing but the best but what concerns me is his captain if he has options will not use him. In odis and t20s its will work but in tests it will be tough.

If you are playing in spin-friendly conditions, and already have 3 front-line pacers in a T20 game, its logical not to over-bowl Pandya.   If he's not usable as a bowler in white ball cricket in Aus/SA/Eng, then we may have a problem. 

 

But his bowling in the CT and his spells against Australia in the home ODI series show enough bowling ability that I don't think we are going to have that problem.  

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

In tests, Pandya will play as the batting all-rounder and 5th bowler, whose role is to send down 10 or 12 steady overs a day while the main bowlers rejuvenate themselves.

 

Ganguly was 15 to 20 k slower and did not have the ability to hit the deck hard. Did well only when the ball swung. 

It doesn't matter what kind of bowler you are as long as you are picking up wickets, this notion that Pandya will turn it on when lights will be turned on is a folly.I have a not seen anything in his bowling to suggest he will be a good and consistent bowler.

 

As a leading all rounder even Kallis used to bowl majority of his overs even when playing in India, forget outside India. Kallis is light years ahead of Pandya as a batsman.This was just T20 , so it is fine but I really have doubts on this guy's bowling.One thing going for him though is his uncanny knack of taking wickets with innocuous balls.

 

What kind of runs he needs to justify his place as a batting allrounder in tests. in your view.

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