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Just wanted to know why Indian players are not allowed to play in other T20 leagues? Like most players from different country play in IPL? But Indian players aren’t allowed to play in other leagues? 

 

is there any specific reason for this? 

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BCCI doesn't want Indian players to get injury or not be available on domestic/International circuits. Another reason is T20 is not real Cricket and hampers skill development and makes local league tooth less.

 

:giggle:The very same reasons/justifications ECB/CA gave for not letting their players play IPL. For example a story from 2009 to justify exvclusion of their players on grounds of previous experience.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/feb/20/andrew-flintoff-injury-ipl-ecb

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If yu have forgotten KP episode. Here is another story where ECB is penalising their player if they play IPL.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/20/ecb-pca-talks-resolve-indian-premier-league-pay-dispute/

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20 February 2017 • 7:58pm

Talks between the England & Wales Cricket Board and the Professional Cricketers Association will be held to resolve a a pay dispute over the Indian Premier League.

The PCA will meet with Andrew Strauss, the England director, to negotiate a new compensation scheme to replace the current one, which will see Ben Stokes docked potentially up to £140,000 for playing in the IPL this year.

Centrally contracted Test players like Stokes and Chris Woakes are deducted 0.5 per cent of their £700,000 a year salary by the ECB for each day they are on IPL duty. White ball players such as Jos Buttler and Jason Roy face losing one per cent every day for 21 days of IPL duty, which drops to 0.75 per cent thereafter. A white ball contract is worth an estimated £180,000.

 

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Just now, mishra said:

If yu have forgotten KP episode. Here is another story where ECB is penalising their player if they play IPL.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/02/20/ecb-pca-talks-resolve-indian-premier-league-pay-dispute/

 

On top of this, Most people seem unaware of this, but the IPL pays each board a set percentage of the player salary as compensation for the board allowing its player-resource to participate in the IPL.   ECB is quite shameless in cutting their own players' paychecks on top of this.   Especially now that they have acknowledged that IPL participation actually helps the player by improving his game.  And by definition, also helps the England team.  

 

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When Indian players will play in foreign leagues it will attract Indian audience and then lot of sponsors, advertisements. Hence more money to that foreign league.

For eg; If its Big Bash. It will make CA rich and then they will challenge BCCI and then they will buy Steve Bucknor as umpire.:phehe:

If it's PSL. Oops sorry India does not even play Bilaterals. :hysterical:

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Bcci wants IPL to be the most profitable and popular league with Indian fans who bring in the money directly and indirectly .

 

If Indian players play in other leagues, Indian fans will follow those leagues too taking the money with them to those leagues.

 

It is about keeping Indian players exclusively to their league .

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13 minutes ago, Shamim.Miah said:

Wouldn’t taking part in overseas league improve Indian players? Like say if they played big bash or even the England Blast T20? Surely the condition will help Indian players to improve? 

Indian cricket is quite hectic and IPL is pretty long. Current Indian players are already over worked.

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1 minute ago, jusarrived said:

I dont agree with what BCCI is doing here , you cannot expect international to play in your league and not let your players participate in other leagues ..fitness , money what ever the excuse it , its just not fair . 

At least the non contracted players should be allowed.

If bcci is not paying someone, they should have no say in where they play for a living.

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1 hour ago, chewy said:

Indian players not good enough to play in other leagues, and that's why IPL is worst in quality behind Pak t20 and BPL and Big Bosh

For once we agree.

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3 minutes ago, beetle said:

At least the non contracted players should be allowed.

If bcci is not paying someone, they should have no say in where they play for a living.

Honestly speaking, we have five good T20 players. Kohli, Bumrah, Rohit, Bhuvi and Pandya. The rest are too inexperienced or just mediocre. 

 

The strangest thing is that we allow our female cricketers to play in foreign T20 leagues.

 

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7 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Honestly speaking, we have five good T20 players. Kohli, Bumrah, Rohit, Bhuvi and Pandya. The rest are too inexperienced or just mediocre. 

 

The strangest thing is that we allow our female cricketers to play in foreign T20 leagues.

 

BS.   Robin Uthappa and Parthiv Patel would be automatic starters for an ODI or T20 team if they were Pakistani.   Sarfraz would be taking his talents to a Karachi Paanwaala if Parthiv Patel was eligible for Pakistan selection.  

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35 minutes ago, sandeep said:

BS.   Robin Uthappa and Parthiv Patel would be automatic starters for an ODI or T20 team if they were Pakistani.   Sarfraz would be taking his talents to a Karachi Paanwaala if Parthiv Patel was eligible for Pakistan selection.  

Let's not overrate Uthappa and Pappu. Uthappa, in particular, always flattered to deceive.  

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Lot of Indian players have played in Bangladesh 50 over tournament called Dhaka Premier League. Players like Uthappa, Bisla, Chand, etc. Not sure if it’s fair for those players that don’t get picked in IPL teams, plus their development. Playing all the time on flat wickets and turners don’t develop you as players, especially those not heavily involved with national team. 

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58 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Let's not overrate Uthappa and Pappu. Uthappa, in particular, always flattered to deceive.  

Of course he has.  But a hung-over Uthappa still >>> Fakhar Zaman, for instance.   And Parthiv Patel for all his shyte keeping, is way better cricketer than "fighter" Sarfraz.  

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I think it's more because of BCCI avoiding a situation where allowing even a single player for any league will open floodgates of question from other boards regarding why not allow to their league as well. A player as used up as yuvraj worth more than a whole team of CPL in terms of eye balls it would bring to watch him. Indian players are brand in itself and reason why BCCI trying to protect the golden goose i e. their exclusivity. 

 

Besides, star is paying lots of money for telecasting domestic matches and it would be wrong to let the domestic stars leave the domestics and play outside. 

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2 hours ago, jusarrived said:

I dont agree with what BCCI is doing here , you cannot expect international to play in your league and not let your players participate in other leagues ..fitness , money what ever the excuse it , its just not fair . 

I don’t want to throw a % without having numbers in front of me But isnt it safe to say that a large chunk of total cricket viewership is from India.

 

Forget about stats and performances ,isn’t it obvious that Kohli,Dhoni,Rohit etc etc have some of the biggest fan following among all cricketers. Pretty sure Yusuf Pathan has a bigger brand value than say someone like Joe Root.

 

Now BCCI gets to say that if you want to see the biggest cricketers in the world you have to exclusively tune into IPL...Bollywood,Jhumping Jhapaaks, Cheerleaders only help so much....If Indians play every league what’s the difference between IPL and say some other league out there.

 

As far as other foregin players playing the Indian league, it’s their free will to say no and some of them like Root,Clarke etc have said no as well because of international commitments.....neither the boards nor the players are stupid enough to say no to the kind of money IPL can shell out.

 

If tomorrow Pakistani players were allowed in the IPL with a caveat that they need to reject PSL 99% of them will bend down thank almighty and jump the fence....hell they did that for stupid ICL

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3 hours ago, beetle said:

Bcci wants IPL to be the most profitable and popular league with Indian fans who bring in the money directly and indirectly .

 

If Indian players play in other leagues, Indian fans will follow those leagues too taking the money with them to those leagues.

 

It is about keeping Indian players exclusively to their league .

Rightly so. The Indian players brand value is bigger than those leagues. No reason whatsoever to play in those poverty leagues.

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3 hours ago, jusarrived said:

I dont agree with what BCCI is doing here , you cannot expect international to play in your league and not let your players participate in other leagues ..fitness , money what ever the excuse it , its just not fair . 

No one's expecting those players to play in their league, those players WANT to play in their league.  As long as those players find it fair, why do we have to care?

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13 minutes ago, maniac said:

I don’t want to throw a % without having numbers in front of me But isnt it safe to say that a large chunk of total cricket viewership is from India.

 

Forget about stats and performances ,isn’t it obvious that Kohli,Dhoni,Rohit etc etc have some of the biggest fan following among all cricketers. Pretty sure Yusuf Pathan has a bigger brand value than say someone like Joe Root.

 

Now BCCI gets to say that if you want to see the biggest cricketers in the world you have to exclusively tune into IPL...Bollywood,Jhumping Jhapaaks, Cheerleaders only help so much....If Indians play every league what’s the difference between IPL and say some other league out there.

 

As far as other foregin players playing the Indian league, it’s their free will to say no and some of them like Root,Clarke etc have said no as well because of international commitments.....neither the boards nor the players are stupid enough to say no to the kind of money IPL can shell out.

 

If tomorrow Pakistani players were allowed in the IPL with a caveat that they need to reject PSL 99% of them will bend down thank almighty and jump the fence....hell they did that for stupid ICL

Agree with most of it , we generate bulk of the revenues and thats why I was with BCCI when they demanded a bigger chunk of revenues from ICC .

 

This is different though , yes Indian players are bigger brand values but players from other countries have played their part in growing the league aswell . A league with just indian players alone would not be half this successful . When you expect other boards to release their players for IPL , what right do we have to block to our players playing in their league . I know BCCI is way too powerful and they can do it , but the question is should they be doing it ? 

 

Secondly concern about competition from other leagues , if at all there is one its pretty shortsighted . IPL on its own has  limited growth prospects , while the Indian market will continue to grow the league will find it difficult to keep everyones interest for too long , there are too many alternatives of entertainment these days and I bet we will have lot more in 10 years time. Eventually they will need  Champions League type competition to complement the league and for that to happen you need Indians to follow BigBash , CPL , Natwest T20 , PPL etc  ( one of the reasons it failed last time was cos Indian fans had no idea about these teams from Aus or SA ) . The market gets bigger and so does BCCI's share of the pie . I dont see how it hurts in anway to let some of our players play in these leagues . 

 

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3 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

Let's not overrate Uthappa and Pappu. Uthappa, in particular, always flattered to deceive.  

he is just saying they will be automatic starters for pak team where is he overrating them ?

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3 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Agree with most of it , we generate bulk of the revenues and thats why I was with BCCI when they demanded a bigger chunk of revenues from ICC .

 

This is different though , yes Indian players are bigger brand values but players from other countries have played their part in growing the league aswell . A league with just indian players alone would not be half this successful . When you expect other boards to release their players for IPL , what right do we have to block to our players playing in their league . I know BCCI is way too powerful and they can do it , but the question is should they be doing it ? 

 

Secondly concern about competition from other leagues , if at all there is one its pretty shortsighted . IPL on its own has  limited growth prospects , while the Indian market will continue to grow the league will find it difficult to keep everyones interest for too long , there are too many alternatives of entertainment these days and I bet we will have lot more in 10 years time. Eventually they will need  Champions League type competition to complement the league and for that to happen you need Indians to follow BigBash , CPL , Natwest T20 , PPL etc  ( one of the reasons it failed last time was cos Indian fans had no idea about these teams from Aus or SA ) . The market gets bigger and so does BCCI's share of the pie . I dont see how it hurts in anway to let some of our players play in these leagues . 

 

bold - is ok will happen.

 red - lol hehe, indians will never allow it to be followed in India.

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58 minutes ago, SLICKR392 said:

No one's expecting those players to play in their league, those players WANT to play in their league.  As long as those players find it fair, why do we have to care?

Am sure the foreign players are not complaining , if at all its some of the fringe indian players who are losing out on money as well as exposure of playing in these countries cos of this petty thinking .

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guys its simple.

 

IPL is Indian revenue, needs to be for India share it with WI/Afg/Aus/SA/BD/SL, and continue to not share it with Pak which is very good. Eng yeah have their players over, and make sure plot for next chance to crap all over giles clark. Whats happening is perfect , clearly dominant strategy. Eng on notice( you have a marker on your forehead) you fd up so will get a good beating but the beating we give you will be much less if you had not f'd up, Pak we will crap all over you till eternity cause we can and is only right thing to do, others welcome to share. 

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6 minutes ago, Vilander said:

bold - is ok will happen.

 red - lol hehe, indians will never allow it to be followed in India.

yeah may be not PPL , but you get the point . 

As a fan , I would love to watch our players , may be not Virat or other top players but likes of Yuvi . Nehra , Uthappa , Pathan (old/fringe) in these leagues . 

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12 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

yeah may be not PPL , but you get the point . 

As a fan , I would love to watch our players , may be not Virat or other top players but likes of Yuvi . Nehra , Uthappa , Pathan (old/fringe) in these leagues . 

in BBL,CPL and Natwest for sure, it will be good. Fringe and some regulars even if its offseason/no injury(which is never for team india). Never for PSL, not a penny for them because of us. Even if players play people wont watch.

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2 hours ago, jusarrived said:

Agree with most of it , we generate bulk of the revenues and thats why I was with BCCI when they demanded a bigger chunk of revenues from ICC .

 

This is different though , yes Indian players are bigger brand values but players from other countries have played their part in growing the league aswell . A league with just indian players alone would not be half this successful . When you expect other boards to release their players for IPL , what right do we have to block to our players playing in their league . I know BCCI is way too powerful and they can do it , but the question is should they be doing it ? 

 

Secondly concern about competition from other leagues , if at all there is one its pretty shortsighted . IPL on its own has  limited growth prospects , while the Indian market will continue to grow the league will find it difficult to keep everyones interest for too long , there are too many alternatives of entertainment these days and I bet we will have lot more in 10 years time. Eventually they will need  Champions League type competition to complement the league and for that to happen you need Indians to follow BigBash , CPL , Natwest T20 , PPL etc  ( one of the reasons it failed last time was cos Indian fans had no idea about these teams from Aus or SA ) . The market gets bigger and so does BCCI's share of the pie . I dont see how it hurts in anway to let some of our players play in these leagues . 

 

BCCI or Indian players have nothing to gain from   playing in other leagues monetarily or skill wise..it is not like Uthappa will play big bash and he will be good enough to start hitting 100s in a Perth test match.

 

On the other hand players and other boards as well as BCCI mutually benefit from overseas player participation in the IPL.

 

Same reason why it took India almost 18 years to  agree to a Bangladesh tour to India or for the same reason we don’t care about a Pakistan series...sure if it happens in India great BCCI will make a lot of money but there is no upside of visiting UAE for a series or playing a 3 test series at home against Bangladesh.

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In all seriousness would many make it into overseas teams?

 

Kolhli yes.  Not many others though.  Indian spinners always fail in Australia/England so wouldn't get played.  India don't have any good enough fast bowlers, teams would prefer domestic players. 

 

Maybe Dhoni would get a game somewhere but that's all I can think of

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On 10/31/2017 at 1:14 AM, jusarrived said:

Am sure the foreign players are not complaining , if at all its some of the fringe indian players who are losing out on money as well as exposure of playing in these countries cos of this petty thinking .

Looking at how their overseas players suck up to IPL and continue to show their over-enthusiasm, they might be surely cribbing when not selected. Less work and a hell lot of money, who wouldn't complain when they are left out?

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On 10/31/2017 at 5:10 AM, Lala2790 said:

In all seriousness would many make it into overseas teams?

 

Kolhli yes.  Not many others though.  Indian spinners always fail in Australia/England so wouldn't get played.  India don't have any good enough fast bowlers, teams would prefer domestic players. 

 

Maybe Dhoni would get a game somewhere but that's all I can think of

With that username & avatar, your brain doesn't let you think at all.

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On 10/31/2017 at 5:10 AM, Lala2790 said:

In all seriousness would many make it into overseas teams?

 

Kolhli yes.  Not many others though.  Indian spinners always fail in Australia/England so wouldn't get played.  India don't have any good enough fast bowlers, teams would prefer domestic players. 

 

Maybe Dhoni would get a game somewhere but that's all I can think of

dont smoke weed much! it has damaged your brain over the years! oh! you were born pathan ....so that might not be the case for brain-damage

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Let's be honest here...most players from other countries play for extra cash....Indian players don't need to... BCCI doesn't want them to play...as BCCI sees them as commodity and investment and no one wants to risk their investment

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Just now, Texy said:

Let's be honest here...most players from other countries play for extra cash....Indian players don't need to... BCCI doesn't want them to play...as BCCI sees them as commodity and investment and no one wants to risk their investment

The Indian players are at loss here as they are missing out on extra cash.

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On 10/30/2017 at 7:40 PM, Lala2790 said:

In all seriousness would many make it into overseas teams?

 

Kolhli yes.  Not many others though.  Indian spinners always fail in Australia/England so wouldn't get played.  India don't have any good enough fast bowlers, teams would prefer domestic players. 

 

Maybe Dhoni would get a game somewhere but that's all I can think of

Useless 5th stringers like Ish Sodhi take bagful of wickets in the Big bash -because fat australians color their pants even yellower against spin.   No-name spinners who would struggle to make domestic teams in India would be super-stars in BBL.   

 

And the BBL can't afford to pay for any top Indian player anyway.   Virat Kohli gets paid USD $500,000 for posting a photo on his instagram feed.   How much would you have to pay him to allocate a few weeks of his time to a c-grade cricket league down under?   Probably more than the entire of budget of the "big" bash league.  

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On 10/30/2017 at 4:06 PM, Vilander said:

in BBL,CPL and Natwest for sure, it will be good. Fringe and some regulars even if its offseason/no injury(which is never for team india). Never for PSL, not a penny for them because of us. Even if players play people wont watch.

“MAMOSA Report — According to statistics released by 2017 Pakistan Super League’s official online streaming partner Cricket Gateway, the final match in Lahore between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators was watched online by more Indians than viewers from any other country on Sunday.

 

28.22 percent of the total online viewership of the title clash was generated by Pakistan’s arch-rivals India – its eastern neighbor.

 

The PSL final was not broadcast in India while the majority of viewers in Pakistan viewed the event on television.”

 

http://pkonweb.com/more-indians-watched-2017-psl-final-online-than-viewers-from-any-other-country/

 

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27 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

“MAMOSA Report — According to statistics released by 2017 Pakistan Super League’s official online streaming partner Cricket Gateway, the final match in Lahore between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators was watched online by more Indians than viewers from any other country on Sunday.

 

28.22 percent of the total online viewership of the title clash was generated by Pakistan’s arch-rivals India – its eastern neighbor.

 

The PSL final was not broadcast in India while the majority of viewers in Pakistan viewed the event on television.”

 

http://pkonweb.com/more-indians-watched-2017-psl-final-online-than-viewers-from-any-other-country/

 

If 5 Indians and 2 greenbros watched it online, you can still write such stupid headlines.

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PSL should be called Dubai Super League, if the tournament ever gets moved to Pakistan, it will turn into P!ss of Sh!it League (PSL) , most foreigners will withdraw 

i just don't see Pakistan  ever host a T20 league on par  with Bangla league, big bash or CPL, let alone IPL

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1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

“MAMOSA Report — According to statistics released by 2017 Pakistan Super League’s official online streaming partner Cricket Gateway, the final match in Lahore between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators was watched online by more Indians than viewers from any other country on Sunday.

 

28.22 percent of the total online viewership of the title clash was generated by Pakistan’s arch-rivals India – its eastern neighbor.

 

The PSL final was not broadcast in India while the majority of viewers in Pakistan viewed the event on television.”

 

http://pkonweb.com/more-indians-watched-2017-psl-final-online-than-viewers-from-any-other-country/

 

Means nothing. Any online video will be potentially watched most by Indians being the largest online user base in english world along with americans.

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Psl broadcast rights 15 million what is its valuation 30 million?. Ipl rights at 2.55 billion and value at 5.5 billion. 

 

Lol..individual franchises in ipl can purchase psl a few times..but obviously they wont..

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21 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Means nothing. Any online video will be potentially watched most by Indians being the largest online user base in english world along with americans.

It means Indians will watch any cricket regardless of nationality. Your money is coming to us rather you like to admit it or not. 

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