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^ From Above its very clear that Amala, Sir Viv have won more series then Kohli. Heck even Ganguly, if he didn't had to compete against someone like Sachin would have won more man of the series then Kohli

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

Richards :shock: .... 7 awards in just 40 series :hatsoff: ..... Amla and Kohli's award ratio is good too 

Aparantly icf Choker has lost most series despite winning MoS. (8 series i guess). But people will keep saying that bats around him were great and gave lots of support :phehe:

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17 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Correct, no one comes close to the King, undisputed GOAT of ODIs. 

Viv has so many MOS in only 40 series  simply because  competition was not much.  West Indies was the first team to adapt to ODIs so fast.  In fact their 4 batsmen  will make in top 5 batsmen  between 1975-85. Haynes, greenidge, Richards and Lloyd. They also had 3 out of 5 best odi bowlers of their era,  Garner, holding, Roberts.Though Viv clearly was the leader of the pack.

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11 minutes ago, Anoop K said:

Viv has so many MOS in only 40 series  simply because  competition was not much.  West Indies was the first team to adapt to ODIs so fast.  In fact their 4 batsmen  will make in top 5 batsmen  between 1975-85. Haynes, greenidge, Richards and Lloyd. They also had 3 out of 5 best odi bowlers of their era,  Garner, holding, Roberts.Though Viv clearly was the leader of the pack.

As i said, icf choker has lost most series despite being MoS. And no points in guessing who the opponents were. And the choker, played "as bat" with most medocre bowling attack. If it wasnt Kumble, we Prasead wasnt even Henry Olonga

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No Place For Virat Kohli In ICC's World Cup XI

Updated: 15 July 2019 16:58 IST

Two India players -- Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah - found a place in ICC's World Cup 2019 XI while captain Virat Kohli missed out.

 

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Here is the team:

Jason Roy (Eng) - 443 runs at 63.28

Rohit Sharma (India) - 648 runs at 81.00

Kane Williamson (c) (NZ) - 578 runs at 82.57 

Joe Root (Eng) - 556 runs at 61.77

Shakib (B'desh) - 606 runs at 86.57, 11 wkts at 36.27 

Ben Stokes (Eng) - 465 runs at 66.42, 7 wkts at 35.14

Alex Carey (wk) (Aus) - 375 runs at 62.50, 20 dismissals 

Mitchell Starc (Aus) - 27 wkts at 18.59

Jofra Archer (Eng) - 20 wkts at 23.05

Lockie Ferguson (NZ) - 21 wickets at 19.47

Jasprit Bumrah (India) - 18 wkts at 20.61  

 

 

 

India captain Virat Kohli, who led the team to the World Cup 2019 semi-finals, failed to find a spot in International Cricket Council (ICC)'s team of World Cup 2019, announced on its official website on Monday. England opener Jason Roy, who was picked ahead of Virat Kohli, had same 443 runs in the tournament. However, Roy's average of 63.29 in 7 matches was better than the right-handed batsman. Virat Kohli averaged 55.38 in 9 matches. India's golden run in World Cup 2019 ended after suffering an 18-run defeat to New Zealand in the first semi-final in Manchester.

 

Two India players -- Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah -- found places in ICC's World Cup 2019 XI. New Zealand skipper Kane Williamson, who was named player of the tournament, has been named as the captain of the side.

Former commentators Ian Bishop, Ian Smith and Isa Guha, cricket writer Lawarence Booth and ICC General Manager Cricket Geoff Allardice picked the World Cup 2019 playing XI. 

 

Rohit Sharma and Jason Roy are picked as openers, thanks to their brilliant performance in the showpiece event. Rohit, who scored five tons in World Cup 2019, was the tournament's leading run scorer with 648 runs. Williamson is placed at number 3 spot followed by Joe Root, all-rounders Shakib Al Hasan and Ben Stokes. Australia's Alex Carey, who showed character in the recently concluded tournament, is the wicket-keeper batsman in ICC's playing XI.

 

The bowling attack looks lethal with big names including Mitchell Starc, Jofra Archer, Lockie Ferguson and Jasprit Bumrah in the side. Mitchell Starc was the leading wicket-taker of the tournament with 27 wickets. While, Jofra Archer who bowled the super over for England, had claimed 20 wickets in the tournament. Bumrah, the top ranked ODI bowler, always provided India breakthroughs in crucial moments and picked 18 wickets in the showpiece event. 

 

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/virat-kohli-misses-out-in-iccs-world-cup-2019-team-2069905

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Kohli proved as to why it is not that easy to over come Sachin ..... performing under the pressure of huge expectations thru out  is not all that  easy .Come the world cup  Hashim Amla  forgets batting altogether. Joe  Root  forgot even how to  hold the bat properly when stuck with such intense pressure. 

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Interesting.

 

The poll was somewhat lopsided in favor of Kohli with (43-67). 

And now 8 posters have voted for Sachin in the last 3 days after this WC. 

 

Should keep a poll now on how many would actually change their votes against Kohli.

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9 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Interesting.

 

The poll was somewhat lopsided in favor of Kohli with (43-67). 

And now 8 posters have voted for Sachin in the last 3 days after this WC. 

 

Should keep a poll now on how many would actually change their votes against Kohli.

some hard core immature  'stubborn'   cases will not come forward and admit mistakes because they have too much big egos to accept their faults.

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I think we should not compare the players who played for the same team. There is a difference of an era between them. Looking at the statistics, the present technology the modern world is using, there is no doubt to say Kohli is a better batsman. But, at the time of Sachin, the bowlers were different and the cricket rules n play was different. So, from my point of view, both are legends. Sachin is great batsman in his time and Kohli is a great batsman for the present generation. 

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SRT

Matches: 463

Runs: 18426

Avg: 44.83

SR: 86.23

100s: 49

50s: 96

HS: 200 v SA

 

Kohli

Matches: 202, 236

Runs: 9030, 11286

Avg: 55.74, 59.4

SR: 91.73, 93

100s: 32, 41

50s: 45, 54

HS: 183 v Pak, 183 v Pak

 

I've just copied and pasted what  @Trichromatic compiled in Nov 2017 in the OP, but just added Kohli's latest stats (in red).

 

Except for HS, Kohli not only still outperforms SRT in key areas, he as also improved on his previous metrics such as Average and SR. (which is impressive).

 

But we have to factor in Kohli's non-performance in ICC tourneys, a significant drag on his reputation.

 

But given that he presumably has a few ICC tournaments to go still, the jury's still out IMO.     

 

 

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On 7/18/2019 at 2:44 PM, Stan AF said:

No Place For Virat Kohli In ICC's World Cup XI

Updated: 15 July 2019 16:58 IST

Two India players -- Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah - found a place in ICC's World Cup 2019 XI while captain Virat Kohli missed out.

 

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Here is the team:

Jason Roy (Eng) - 443 runs at 63.28

Rohit Sharma (India) - 648 runs at 81.00

Kane Williamson (c) (NZ) - 578 runs at 82.57 

Joe Root (Eng) - 556 runs at 61.77

Shakib (B'desh) - 606 runs at 86.57, 11 wkts at 36.27 

Ben Stokes (Eng) - 465 runs at 66.42, 7 wkts at 35.14

Alex Carey (wk) (Aus) - 375 runs at 62.50, 20 dismissals 

Mitchell Starc (Aus) - 27 wkts at 18.59

Jofra Archer (Eng) - 20 wkts at 23.05

Lockie Ferguson (NZ) - 21 wickets at 19.47

Jasprit Bumrah (India) - 18 wkts at 20.61  

 

 

 

India captain Virat Kohli, who led the team to the World Cup 2019 semi-finals, failed to find a spot in International Cricket Council (ICC)'s team of World Cup 2019, announced on its official website on Monday. England opener Jason Roy, who was picked ahead of Virat Kohli, had same 443 runs in the tournament. However, Roy's average of 63.29 in 7 matches was better than the right-handed batsman. Virat Kohli averaged 55.38 in 9 matches. India's golden run in World Cup 2019 ended after suffering an 18-run defeat to New Zealand in the first semi-final in Manchester.

 

Two India players -- Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah -- found places in ICC's World Cup 2019 XI. New Zealand skipper Kane Williamson, who was named player of the tournament, has been named as the captain of the side.

Former commentators Ian Bishop, Ian Smith and Isa Guha, cricket writer Lawarence Booth and ICC General Manager Cricket Geoff Allardice picked the World Cup 2019 playing XI. 

 

Rohit Sharma and Jason Roy are picked as openers, thanks to their brilliant performance in the showpiece event. Rohit, who scored five tons in World Cup 2019, was the tournament's leading run scorer with 648 runs. Williamson is placed at number 3 spot followed by Joe Root, all-rounders Shakib Al Hasan and Ben Stokes. Australia's Alex Carey, who showed character in the recently concluded tournament, is the wicket-keeper batsman in ICC's playing XI.

 

The bowling attack looks lethal with big names including Mitchell Starc, Jofra Archer, Lockie Ferguson and Jasprit Bumrah in the side. Mitchell Starc was the leading wicket-taker of the tournament with 27 wickets. While, Jofra Archer who bowled the super over for England, had claimed 20 wickets in the tournament. Bumrah, the top ranked ODI bowler, always provided India breakthroughs in crucial moments and picked 18 wickets in the showpiece event. 

 

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/virat-kohli-misses-out-in-iccs-world-cup-2019-team-2069905

Lol people should see that biletral king and perennial choker is not even able to make it to wxi which matters the most.

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1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

some hard core immature  'stubborn'   cases will not come forward and admit mistakes because they have too much big egos to accept their faults.

Yes there were few fools who just before wc started anointed him goat, sachin is not fit to tie his shoes kind of fool they are in hiding now . Don't worry they ll resurface again in these 4 tears before next wc as wc choker ll feast on wi, sl, aus b,c,d, sa b to reincarnate his king image.

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1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

I've just copied and pasted what  @Trichromatic compiled in Nov 2017 in the OP, but just added Kohli's latest stats (in red).

 

Except for HS, Kohli not only still outperforms SRT in key areas, he as also improved on his previous metrics such as Average and SR. (which is impressive).

 

But we have to factor in Kohli's non-performance in ICC tourneys, a significant drag on his reputation.

 

But given that he presumably has a few ICC tournaments to go still, the jury's still out IMO.

 

 

Kohli still has Few ICC tournaments left ? Which ones?  The T20 World Cups don't count as they were not mainstream during Tendulkars era and the format is more entertainment-oriented and not considered a serious competition.  

 

Champions Trophy has been scrapped forever, so his performance in the CT 2017 Finals will always be a blot on his career.

 

Kohli will be 35 years old in  2023 and 39 years old in 2027.

 

So he only has one World Cup to go, which  is 2023 World Cup ,  as it's unlikely that he will be on top of his game at 39 years old considering the workload on Cricketers due to International Cricket and IPL.

 

It will be Tendulkar all the way between the two unless Kohli gives  a Tendulkaresque 2003 World Cup performance and leads India to a WC Win in front of home crowds. That's is his only single Chance left. 

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1 hour ago, rageaddict said:

It will be Tendulkar all the way between the two unless Kohli gives  a Tendulkaresque 2003 World Cup performance and leads India to a WC Win in front of home crowds. That's is his only single Chance left. 

One summer doesn't make a swallow, Tendulkar had 3 great WCs 2 middling ones & one poor, in 2007 he only batted 3 innings all at 4 btw. Kohli was never going to overtake him, ever it's only Brat fans that were delusional enough to think he's perform at the same level as SRT, just because he's faced pop gun attacks on batting paradises with 2 new balls in the last 8 years or so. A hint of movement or turn & the guy always folds under pressure & no T20 innings don't count :cantstop:

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46 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

 

Kohli still has Few ICC tournaments left ? Which ones?  The T20 World Cups don't count as they were not mainstream during Tendulkars era and the format is more entertainment-oriented and not considered a serious competition.  

 

Champions Trophy has been scrapped forever, so his performance in the CT 2017 Finals will always be a blot on his career.

 

Kohli will be 35 years old in  2023 and 39 years old in 2027.

 

So he only has one World Cup to go, which  is 2023 World Cup ,  as it's unlikely that he will be on top of his game at 39 years old considering the workload on Cricketers due to International Cricket and IPL.

 

It will be Tendulkar all the way between the two unless Kohli gives  a Tendulkaresque 2003 World Cup performance and leads India to a WC Win in front of home crowds. That's is his only single Chance left. 

I disagree that the T20 WC doesn't count.  It's a WC.  Being entertainment, didn't exist in SRT's time are just arbitrary qualifiers.  However, this discussion is on ODIs, so we can use that reason to ignore T20 WCs. 

 

Then's he's got 2023. So you're right he's got this one left and I stand corrected. But enough to make his rep if he wins the second.

 

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3 hours ago, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

he will not play the 2027 one.

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1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

I disagree that the T20 WC doesn't count.  It's a WC.  Being entertainment, didn't exist in SRT's time are just arbitrary qualifiers.  However, this discussion is on ODIs, so we can use that reason to ignore T20 WCs. 

 

Then's he's got 2023. So you're right he's got this one left and I stand corrected. But enough to make his rep if he wins the second.

 

His non choking great t20 innings came when he was going through absolutely crazy form of life. It would be interesting to see if he can replicate such innings in future under pressure.

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3 hours ago, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

Really hope he isn't captain in WC2023. World Cup is in India and it would be shame not to win it.

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This comparison will end nowhere.  While Kohli overtakes Sachin in stats, Just doesn't match the aura of Sachin. Also opposition Quality, Rules, Playing conditions, Team India situation have all changed from the time Tendulkar played bulk of his matches in.

 

I See so many players with 45+ (Even 50+) average today as if 45 is nothing. In those days (90's) 35+ was a good average and 40 was excellent. Anything close to 45 or above was exceptional and rare. Also Tendulkar was widely considered a dominating batsman with a strike rate higher than most of his peers.

 

Players like Shikhar Dhawan, faf du Plessis, Quinton De Kock have better average and strike rate than Sachin in ODI. While these are good players, they re no legends.

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I have always regarded Sachin as the most complete batsman I have seen.He was as strong on front foot as he was backfoot,Strong defensively against spin and could play padle sweep or use his feet to attack.Kohli is one of best front foot players but his lack of backfoot shots on off side allows bowlers to contain him.

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On 7/19/2019 at 9:02 PM, rtmohanlal said:

some hard core immature  'stubborn'   cases will not come forward and admit mistakes because they have too much big egos to accept their faults.

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

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47 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

Idk what has kohli done in tests be considered better than sachin already. Kohli infact has choked many times in test matches.

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On 7/20/2019 at 12:00 PM, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

 

kohli will be 38/39 then 

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2 hours ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi 

 Kohli better than Sachin in Tests.. Cant believe this sentiment.

 

Sachin faced the whos who of bowling greatness other than a few early ones .. Washim Akram, Waqar Yunis, Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Glen Mcgrath, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali, Warne .. Even the likes of Ntini, Vettori, Sohaib Akthar, Bret Lee, Mitchell Johnson, Jimmy Anderson, Vaas, Gillespie.. The list is too long. The grounds were different, Lot of Swing and Seam bowling, More hostile conditions.. All that along with handling the insane amount of expectations, media coverage, adulation with grace and dignity.. 

 

Sachin is a different level to Kohli .. more so in tests than ODI.

 

Sachin was extremely strong and fit too.. Played 23 years of International cricket.. Even to his retirement ran well between wickets, had a good arm from the boundary, good at slips or anywhere else on the field.. Not one to dive much like present guys but was solid all round fielder.. 

 

Kohli on the other hand sucks in the slips.. Agree he is probably one of the fittest to ever play the game but Sachin was fit enough..

 

If we do a poll about one guy to pick in a test team out of Sachin and kohli with both at their peak.. not sure how many around the world will pick Kohli...

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4 hours ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

SRT was far superior to Kohli in Tests as far as his technical abilities are concerned. In the very long period of 1992-2011 (apart from a few bad yrs), Tendu was arguably the only player in the world who could play in swinging, pacy & bouncy, and spinning conditions with consistency and with reasonable ease. Kohli fails miserably in quite a few series: Eng in 2014 and the home tests against Oz are two examples. He usually works very hard to counter his limitations, but the fact is that his game has many more chinks than Tendu.

 

To be sure, Tendu choked in several Test matches but Kohli is not blameless. If Chennai '98 counts as a choke then Kohli in Adelaide also "choked". Besides, in the only series win in SENA during his career (Oz tour), Kohli did very little of note - in the Tests we won or drew, Chepu and Pant-man did a lot more.

 

In my book, Sachin > Kohli in Tests, Kohli > Sachin in ODI bilaterals, Sachin >> Kohli in multi-nation tourneys, and Kohli > Sachin in T20s [the last, however, is not a fair comparison since we are comparing an old and career-end SRT].

 

So basically, apart from ODI bilaterals, Sachin is better than Kohli in my opinion. also have to factor in fielding (SRT better in close-in positions and kohli in ground fielding) and bowling (SRT light yrs ahead) to evaluate their total cricketing abilities.

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2 hours ago, Cricspin said:

 Kohli better than Sachin in Tests.. Cant believe this sentiment.

 

Sachin faced the whos who of bowling greatness other than a few early ones .. Washim Akram, Waqar Yunis, Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Glen Mcgrath, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali, Warne .. Even the likes of Ntini, Vettori, Sohaib Akthar, Bret Lee, Mitchell Johnson, Jimmy Anderson, Vaas, Gillespie.. The list is too long. The grounds were different, Lot of Swing and Seam bowling, More hostile conditions.. All that along with handling the insane amount of expectations, media coverage, adulation with grace and dignity.. 

 

Sachin is a different level to Kohli .. more so in tests than ODI.

 

Sachin was extremely strong and fit too.. Played 23 years of International cricket.. Even to his retirement ran well between wickets, had a good arm from the boundary, good at slips or anywhere else on the field.. Not one to dive much like present guys but was solid all round fielder.. 

 

Kohli on the other hand sucks in the slips.. Agree he is probably one of the fittest to ever play the game but Sachin was fit enough..

 

If we do a poll about one guy to pick in a test team out of Sachin and kohli with both at their peak.. not sure how many around the world will pick Kohli...

Exaclty. Sachin at his prime massacred Shane Warne whereas Kohli gets out to lallus like Moeen Ai. As far as Batting skills, Peak Sachin was in another planet compared to Peak Kohli.

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Trolling aside, reason why Kohli gets into no man's land in certain conditions against certain lengths is it because his average backfoot game through off side. Kohli's trigger movement is very different from say Tendulkar, Dravid. When a left armer bowls he pitches on the middle general. Ball might come back or go away. But Kohli is not open-minded about this line of attack. Regardless of the line and length his tendency to walk across. If you look at Tendulkar in his prime, he would sit back and thrash through the point. How often you have seen Kohli smashing through point off the backfoot? Very rare.  He taps the ball to third man. But he is not a fierce cutter like Tendulkar. This is not a blemish. Why is he not considering the option of playing left hand seamers through off side or straight. He is fixated on playing through on side. 

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Trolling aside, reason why Kohli gets into no man's land in certain conditions against certain lengths is it because his average backfoot game through off side. Kohli's trigger movement is very different from say Tendulkar, Dravid. When a left armer bowls he pitches on the middle general. Ball might come back or go away. But Kohli is not open-minded about this line of attack. Regardless of the line and length his tendency to walk across. If you look at Tendulkar in his prime, he would sit back and thrash through the point. How often you have seen Kohli smashing through point off the backfoot? Very rare.  He taps the ball to third man. But he is not a fierce cutter like Tendulkar. This is not a blemish. Why is he not considering the option of playing left hand seamers through off side or straight. He is fixated on playing through on side. 

Kohli does not have a backfoot game.

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7 hours ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

Bhaai kohli choked many times in run chases in test too

2 chases in SA

2 chases in England

1 chase against Srilanka

This is on my top of my mind

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4 hours ago, Vijy said:

SRT was far superior to Kohli in Tests as far as his technical abilities are concerned. In the very long period of 1992-2011 (apart from a few bad yrs), Tendu was arguably the only player in the world who could play in swinging, pacy & bouncy, and spinning conditions with consistency and with reasonable ease. Kohli fails miserably in quite a few series: Eng in 2014 and the home tests against Oz are two examples. He usually works very hard to counter his limitations, but the fact is that his game has many more chinks than Tendu.

 

To be sure, Tendu choked in several Test matches but Kohli is not blameless. If Chennai '98 counts as a choke then Kohli in Adelaide also "choked". Besides, in the only series win in SENA during his career (Oz tour), Kohli did very little of note - in the Tests we won or drew, Chepu and Pant-man did a lot more.

 

In my book, Sachin > Kohli in Tests, Kohli > Sachin in ODI bilaterals, Sachin >> Kohli in multi-nation tourneys, and Kohli > Sachin in T20s [the last, however, is not a fair comparison since we are comparing an old and career-end SRT].

 

So basically, apart from ODI bilaterals, Sachin is better than Kohli in my opinion. also have to factor in fielding (SRT better in close-in positions and kohli in ground fielding) and bowling (SRT light yrs ahead) to evaluate their total cricketing abilities.

Adelaide was not a choke. How can you scoring 100 chasing 360 in second innings a choke. 360 are not chased ever day. Choke is when target is easy and you lose from a winning position. We were never in winning position at Adelaide.  It was Kohli's innings that brought us close but that too daunting a task on a wearing pitch as they had to score quickly.

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2 minutes ago, sergio04 said:

Bhaai kohli choked many times in run chases in test too

2 chases in SA

2 chases in England

1 chase against Srilanka

This is on my top of my mind

Test chases are different. Cannot term failing to chase in test a choke. Choke is when you lose from a winning position. 

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9 hours ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

yeah ...Sachin with   13534 runs(still a larger sample size than 2nd placed Ponting)   @59.35 avg:   in a phase  between 29 jan 1993 and 14 apr 2011  was an inferior  test batsman  than Kohli with a mere almost  6000 runs @53.75  avg:. That too facing lots of bowlers in <25 avg: category and with  more rounded avg:s in all countries he played in !!!! Hope you are in your normal senses.

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Test chases are different. Cannot term failing to chase in test a choke. Choke is when you lose from a winning position. 

We were winning if not for Kohli getting out. It was easy peasy for him.

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8 hours ago, Cricspin said:

 Kohli better than Sachin in Tests.. Cant believe this sentiment.

 

Sachin faced the whos who of bowling greatness other than a few early ones .. Washim Akram, Waqar Yunis, Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Glen Mcgrath, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali, Warne .. Even the likes of Ntini, Vettori, Sohaib Akthar, Bret Lee, Mitchell Johnson, Jimmy Anderson, Vaas, Gillespie.. The list is too long. The grounds were different, Lot of Swing and Seam bowling, More hostile conditions.. All that along with handling the insane amount of expectations, media coverage, adulation with grace and dignity.. 

 

Sachin is a different level to Kohli .. more so in tests than ODI.

 

Sachin was extremely strong and fit too.. Played 23 years of International cricket.. Even to his retirement ran well between wickets, had a good arm from the boundary, good at slips or anywhere else on the field.. Not one to dive much like present guys but was solid all round fielder.. 

 

Kohli on the other hand sucks in the slips.. Agree he is probably one of the fittest to ever play the game but Sachin was fit enough..

 

If we do a poll about one guy to pick in a test team out of Sachin and kohli with both at their peak.. not sure how many around the world will pick Kohli...

Kohli performance versus England and Australia in those countries is something I didn’t see much from Sachin

 

i am 39 years old and watched Sachin in his first tour of england till his last tour - Sachin was never at ease against inswing and forget last innings - he couldn’t be counted on to chase 

 

he was best at home and outside home he was good in Australia , avg in South Africa and ok in England in tests 

 

Kohli has evolved into a very good percentage run machine -  to give u an example , he would play out saqlain while scoring off Rest of pak bowlers if he were in place of Sachin in the Chennai test .

 

regarding the quality of opposition - yes Sachin faced those and india lost - we started winning when a vvs and Dravid combined together to thwart the Aussie juggernaut . Sachin performance prior to that was ok - his stats are inflated due to the 100s he scored at home when the hapless England etc toured india in the Azar era . 

 

I recall the Barbados test ( Kuruvilla got 5 wickets ) , I recall the first series against South Africa . I recall the 1992 tour of Australia ( his 100 was fabulous but Sehwag showed later you could get a 196 - and then Kohli almost chased down an impossible total in Aussie in his first tour ) 

i can say that sachins best innings actually came towards the end of his career against South Africa when he scored 150 something on a crazy pitch - he killed his ego and left everything outside off ) 

 

kohli has learnt to kill his ego in tests pretty early on and hence he scores in every condition and pitch now . The quality of bowling is perhaps better now - all teams have 3-4 140 k bowlers who are fit . Sachin faced decent attacks but didn’t score match winning knocks abroad but kohli - although the lesser batsman has played more Match winning knocks in tests . Remember he doesn’t have a dravid or a Laxman on the other end - when pujara rose in Aussie - we won but kohli contributed very well in Aussie 

 

regarding the one day - I will take Sachin over kohli anyday as you need an ego in odi to outscore . Percentage cricket only gets u to the semis but you have to take chances - u will remember Tendulkar reverse sweeping , going down the pitch and wanting to open - kohli is happy to play percentage cricket but gets knocked out either due to his poor captaincy or due to some opposition player like West Indies 6 hitters or  fakhar who will grab the game and knock u out - a tendulkar had a seventh gear but kohli stops at 4 th gear 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

yeah ...Sachin with   13534 runs(still a larger sample size than 2nd placed Ponting)   @59.35 avg:   in a phase  between 29 jan 1993 and 14 apr 2011  was an inferior  test batsman  than Kohli with a mere almost  6000 runs @53.75  avg:. That too facing lots of bowlers in <25 avg: category and with  more rounded avg:s in all countries he played in !!!! Hope you are in your normal senses.

Yupp kohli kills his ego in tests , scores runs in 4 th innings and in general has played on bowler friendly tracks then Sachin played in his first 8 years - no more flat decks , no more 130 k bowlers like Dominic cork around . All teams right now have strong to very strong bowling attacks at home - South Africa , Australia even West Indies has very good attacks . 

 

Finally , I say it again - Sachin was more talented and gifted . Kohli is more calculated and can swallow his ego - hence he has scored against all countries while Sachin would always fall in tests - note that in top 50 great test innings , none of Sachin’s hundreds came ! 

 

In tests , Kohli is the champion , but one dayers sachin was and will remain god 

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12 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Kohli performance versus England and Australia in those countries is something I didn’t see much from Sachin

 

i am 39 years old and watched Sachin in his first tour of england till his last tour - Sachin was never at ease against inswing and forget last innings - he couldn’t be counted on to chase 

 

he was best at home and outside home he was good in Australia , avg in South Africa and ok in England in tests 

 

Kohli has evolved into a very good percentage run machine -  to give u an example , he would play out saqlain while scoring off Rest of pak bowlers if he were in place of Sachin in the Chennai test .

 

regarding the quality of opposition - yes Sachin faced those and india lost - we started winning when a vvs and Dravid combined together to thwart the Aussie juggernaut . Sachin performance prior to that was ok - his stats are inflated due to the 100s he scored at home when the hapless England etc toured india in the Azar era . 

 

I recall the Barbados test ( Kuruvilla got 5 wickets ) , I recall the first series against South Africa . I recall the 1992 tour of Australia ( his 100 was fabulous but Sehwag showed later you could get a 196 - and then Kohli almost chased down an impossible total in Aussie in his first tour ) 

i can say that sachins best innings actually came towards the end of his career against South Africa when he scored 150 something on a crazy pitch - he killed his ego and left everything outside off ) 

 

kohli has learnt to kill his ego in tests pretty early on and hence he scores in every condition and pitch now . The quality of bowling is perhaps better now - all teams have 3-4 140 k bowlers who are fit . Sachin faced decent attacks but didn’t score match winning knocks abroad but kohli - although the lesser batsman has played more Match winning knocks in tests . Remember he doesn’t have a dravid or a Laxman on the other end - when pujara rose in Aussie - we won but kohli contributed very well in Aussie 

 

regarding the one day - I will take Sachin over kohli anyday as you need an ego in odi to outscore . Percentage cricket only gets u to the semis but you have to take chances - u will remember Tendulkar reverse sweeping , going down the pitch and wanting to open - kohli is happy to play percentage cricket but gets knocked out either due to his poor captaincy or due to some opposition player like West Indies 6 hitters or  fakhar who will grab the game and knock u out - a tendulkar had a seventh gear but kohli stops at 4 th gear 

 

 

Bhaai when did kohli perform in India's Test win in SENA.

 

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13 hours ago, Cricspin said:

This comparison will end nowhere.  While Kohli overtakes Sachin in stats, Just doesn't match the aura of Sachin. Also opposition Quality, Rules, Playing conditions, Team India situation have all changed from the time Tendulkar played bulk of his matches in.

 

I See so many players with 45+ (Even 50+) average today as if 45 is nothing. In those days (90's) 35+ was a good average and 40 was excellent. Anything close to 45 or above was exceptional and rare. Also Tendulkar was widely considered a dominating batsman with a strike rate higher than most of his peers.

 

Players like Shikhar Dhawan, faf du Plessis, Quinton De Kock have better average and strike rate than Sachin in ODI. While these are good players, they re no legends.

That's because batsmanship has become better many folds in LOIs with the advent of T20s. Sachin was great in his era. Regarding comparing with Dhawan, dekock etc. Compare them to best players of current era.

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3 hours ago, sergio04 said:

Bhaai kohli choked many times in run chases in test too

2 chases in SA

2 chases in England

1 chase against Srilanka

This is on my top of my mind

He didn’t choke in those games - games were almost lost but he fought and fought 

 

its because of Kohli we won in Australia as he has brought this never say die attitude . Tendulkar used to be out when u needed him to make a 100 - like a 4 th innings chase . 

 

Tendulkar was was also lucky to have dravid lax man ganguly and sehwag gambhir combo towards the latter half of his career - Kohli doesn’t have any of those in tests . Pujara is decent but not as close to dravid . And our no 6 is Bihari! 

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