Why are Indian test bowlers quicker than Pakistani bowlers?

[the don]

Bowlers pick their moments to bowl fast in test matches . Wahab bowled a 6 over spell of 90 mph vs england in the heat of the uae to win pak the test .

No one in india can match that sort of pace . 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

2 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Dude what I am mentioning is our techniqual flaws. I mentioned the real reason we lost. And it was our batting. I mentioned why we lost due to our batting. The Test match was in control of Sri-Lankans till that Wahab spell. Sri-Lankans took advantage of our flawful mindset. So no we did not lose all due to our bowling. We lost because we batted poorly on a pitch we should have chased.

 

 

 

Lol Naw not seamers it was mainly a Harath Assault.  We were not so great in the first innings. However we made a comeback in the second one. We got them down to a chaseable total of 300. We had enough time to chase it down but due to our batsmen’s selfish batting we lost the game. 

 

 

You are already claiming you are quicker. And asking why you are? And that to on a Indian forum. Yup not glorifying indeed.

Lakmal and gamage comfortably out bowled Aamir,Wahab and Abbas and both took 2/40 odd on that wicket where Aamir,Wahab and Abbas gave around 240 runs for 4 wickets. They averaged 20 with the ball while your pacers averaged 60. That is being outbowled by a huge margin in the first bowling innings. 

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, the don said:

Pakistani pacers were quick enough in australia .

Only Wahab

6 minutes ago, the don said:

Indiam.pacers were terrible the last time they toured overseas .

Umesh, Aaron and Shami were quick in Australia.  This thread is about speeds.

 

Moreover, our test bowling has changed completely after Kohli took over as full time captain from 2015.

 

6 minutes ago, the don said:

Conditions matter . Anybody who bowls fast in tbe Uae will break down .

Your test pacers have not bowled quickly in any other country, barring Wahab.

6 minutes ago, the don said:

Wahab was quicker than mark wood and mitchell starc in the UAE btw.

Wahab is a product of the 2000s decade when Pakistanis were quicker.

 

All your newer test bowlers are trundlers.

 

[the don]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Only Wahab

Umesh, Aaron and Shami were quick in Australia.  This thread is about speeds.

 

Moreover, our test bowling has changed completely after Kohli took over as full time captain from 2015.

 

Your test pacers have not bowled quickly in any other country, barring Wahab.

Wahab is a product of the 2000s decade when Pakistanis were quicker.

 

All your newer test bowlers are trundlers.

 

Who are these newer test bowlers . M abbas ?? Who was never exactly known for his pace in the first place . 

Most of the attack is from the 2000 brigade even amir

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol Yadav bowled a rapid reverse swing spell to knock out South Africa. So much for no one in India can bowl at that pace. 

 

Also please don't compare the tours of Australia by both teams. We got the flattest decks in recent times whereas last season , Pakistan and South Africa got wickets with decent movement and some swing on offer as well. Not to mention you played a D/N test with the pink ball. 

 

Despite all that, on our tour, bowling averages were

 

Shami -35

Ishant -48

Yadav-49

Aaron- 72 (1 test)

 

Pakistani bowlers

 

Wahab - 36

Aamir -61

Imran -77 (1test)

Sohail -43 (1 test)

Rahat - 57(1 test)

 

How exactly did your pacers outbowl ours?

 

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by Nikhil_cric

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, the don said:

Who are these newer test bowlers . M abbas ?? Who was never exactly known for his pace in the first place . 

Most of the attack is from the 2000 brigade even amir

 

Md.Abbas,  Sohail Khan, Hasan Ali, Imran Khan ( new )

 

You would choose a newer quick guy in tests if you had any.

Edited November 12, 2017 by express bowling

[the don]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Md.Abbas,  Sohail Khan, Hasan Ali

 

You would choose a newer quick guy in tests if you had any.

You choose according to the team needs . Not the fastest bowler otherwise youd see a completely different lineup.

[the don]

Sohail khan and wahab helped pak draw a series in england . Meanwhile india have won nothing oversead with the pace attack .

Ian botham called the indian attack as threatening as the teletubbies.

Edited November 12, 2017 by the don

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, the don said:

You choose according to the team needs . Not the fastest bowler otherwise youd see a completely different lineup.

 

But you don't have anyone to choose apart from Wahab

[Nikhil_cric]

Sohail Khan and Wahab had nothing to do with that. An England without a fit Anderson and Stokes was a weak proposition anyway.

 

Also if you wanna make a more recent comparison, Pakistani seamers took 17 wickets @34 each whereas SL seamers took 12 wickets @26 odd. In other words Lankan seamers comfortably outbowled Pakistani quicks. 

Edited November 12, 2017 by Nikhil_cric

[Nikhil_cric]

15 minutes ago, the don said:

You choose according to the team needs . Not the fastest bowler otherwise youd see a completely different lineup.

Who would make this fastest bowler lineup? The only bowler with pace you have right now is Mohammad Sami apart from Wahab.

[the don]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Who would make this fastest bowler lineup? The only bowler with pace you have right now is Mohammad Sami apart from Wahab.

Muhammad sami and wahab riaz are quicker than anyone india has produced in 70 plus years . 

No one from India has ever matched their speeds . We have  seen that at the world cup and otherwise . Infact amir when he goes full tilt almost always bowls quicker than your fastest bowler yadav . Again we saw that at the asia cup and even the ct group game .

Also in domestics there is

Atif jabbar 

Ali imran 

Who can easily bowl 140 plus .

There are many youngsters who bowl at that pace but too raw for the national team.

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, the don said:

Muhammad sami and wahab riaz are quicker than anyone india has produced in 70 plus years . 

No one from India has ever matched their speeds . We have  seen that at the world cup and otherwise . Infact amir when he goes full tilt almost always bowls quicker than your fastest bowler yadav . Again we saw that at the asia cup and even the ct group game .

Also in domestics there is

Atif jabbar 

Ali imran 

Who can easily bowl 140 plus .

There are many youngsters who bowl at that pace but too raw for the national team.

Where have these guys even been clocked? Even talha claimed to be bowling 145 kph consistently only to be destroyed by McCullum and Williamson and was nothing more than 135 kph on average.  Yadav at full tilt has clocked about 153 kph. That's pretty much the fastest Aamir has ever clocked and that was before his ban. Also theres a concept called average pace i.e. the ability to bowl quick consistently match after match and this what Shami, Umesh and Ishant have done over the last 2.5 years. No Pakistani fast bowler including Wahab has maintained a high average pace for 2.5 years. So stop bringing Asia Cup and CT into the discussion or random spells. 

[the don]

2 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Where have these guys even been clocked? Even talha claimed to be bowling 145 kph consistently only to be destroyed by McCullum and Williamson and was nothing more than 135 kph on average.  Yadav at full tilt has clocked about 153 kph. That's pretty much the fastest Aamir has ever clocked and that was before his ban. Also theres a concept called average pace i.e. the ability to bowl quick consistently match after match and this what Shami, Umesh and Ishant have done over the last 2.5 years. No Pakistani fast bowler including Wahab has maintained a high average pace for 2.5 years. So stop bringing Asia Cup and CT into the discussion or random spells. 

Lol so the fastest your fastest ever bowler has clocked at full tilt is roughly equal to amir ?? 

Amir has clocked 150 kph more times in international cricket than perhaps anyone from India.

Talha may have claimed that but i never said he was fast.

Its funny you talk about average pace .

Amir on average pace has been quicker than all indian bowlers including yadav in every india pak encounter . Not even talking about wahab here . 

 

 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, the don said:

Lol so the fastest your fastest ever bowler has clocked at full tilt is roughly equal to amir ?? 

Amir has clocked 150 kph more times in international cricket than perhaps anyone from India.

Talha may have claimed that but i never said he was fast.

Its funny you talk about average pace .

Amir on average pace has been quicker than all indian bowlers including yadav in every india pak encounter . Not even talking about wahab here . 

 

 

Again this is about test matches so why are you bringing in irrelevant points like CT encounter etc. Last and only time Aamir clocked 150 kph in a test match was way back in 09/10 in Australia. Yadav has clocked that in quite a few series . 

[the don]

5 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Again this is about test matches so why are you bringing in irrelevant points like CT encounter etc. Last and only time Aamir clocked 150 kph in a test match was way back in 09/10 in Australia. Yadav has clocked that in quite a few series . 

Because india and pak have only played limited overs recently and the indian bowlers have been slow. 

Ii dont know why 

Genetics 

Nutritiom

Rolemodels

Make the thread interesting and post videos of all the 150 plus from yadav from all these series in my other thread . I am looking for quick indian bowlers.

Edited November 12, 2017 by the don

[Vilander]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

 

Larger? I'm not sure of that. Shami is only 5'9" or so and gets good bounce and generate s good pace as well. But yeah our bowlers don't have those unathletic builds like Abbas or Hassan Ali do. 

You should see south asian games...hehe..malnourished pak atheletes are quite a sight...hehe that or they are really small people...physically small.

[Lala2790]

OP clearly has a brain like a smashed crab.

 

Let us look at the facts - Akhtar, Wasim, Waqar, Amir, Wahab, Gul, Ali; all great bowlers capable of pace and swing.  Collectively would have over 2000 international wickets

 

Let's look at Indian trundlers - Ishant (lololololol - worst 200 wicket bowler of all time) Bhuvi (lol), Shami (good but a body like tissue paper), Yadav, Agarkar (lololol) Ifran (a few good years) - probably 800 wickets between them.

 

The real issue is why have India NEVER produced a truly world class fast bowler capable of being in the top 5 for sustained periods?  Same conditions as us, same pitches - seems like another thing for our little brothers to be jealous of

[Vilander]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

Reasons why India has started to produce lots of fast and fast-medium bowlers in this decade

 

1.  India has become very strong economically. According to the IMF World Economic Outlook 2017, India will be 6th in the World in  terms of Nominal GDP and 3rd in the World in terms of PPP GDP   http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php . This has led to a lot of money flowing into cricket  ...  and cricket infrastructure, which include pace bowling infrastructure,  have improved a lot. This has also resulted in Indians becoming very confident and mentally aggressive, which help fast bowling.
2. Much improved  economy and the IPL have resulted in cricket becoming a lucrative or viable profession for even the fringe cricketers and this is resulting in more talent coming in which includes pace bowling talent.
3. Focus on fitness, strength training and stamina training have improved a lot. This helps fast bowling, especially increasing core strength, stamina and flexibility.
4. Umesh, Shami and Aaron  giving confidence to young Indian pacers that Indians too can bowl fast for multiple years.
5. Interacting with lots of top bowling coaches and top pacers in the IPL.
6. Emergence of fast-bowling culture in India as a result of points 1 to 5 above.  Almost every young Indian pacer wants to bowl quick and hit the deck hard.
7. Selecting players from all over India, including small towns and villages has given us access to a much larger talent pool. This was not the case till 2003.

 

I predict that we are seeing just the tip of the iceberg. By 2025 or maybe even earlier, India will have the fastest as well as the best pace bowling attack in the world, .

top post.

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, the don said:

Amir has done it multiple times . In every format

One or two effort ball. Right now he is no more than a medium pacer. At times he clocks only 130k