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I was bowling with my earlier action for 22 years. Even now, when I see videos of my old matches, different things come to mind. Batsmen's legs used to shake, every batsman used to think twice before stepping out to hit me, lest the ball bounces or turns. I can't forget those memories. Now when a batsman stares back at me I get angry. I think: till last year he used to cry, but why is he staring back now? To bring that back I have worked hard in the last six months to make my action effective and get back my pace. Now my pace is really good. Also my doosra, even though it is not as big as it used to be, is still there. There is topspin and it moves out a little bit. I am happy that I'm bringing that back.

Has there been a bigger fraud than this guy in cricket, chucker,everyone was scared to face me when i used to chuck :cantstop:,good riddance

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/17593833/earlier-batsmen-were-scared-face-now-there-contest

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I have already given reasons as to why chucking started. There is nothing for the spinners. The ICC should allow spinners some relaxation. I said it to the ICC but it didn't make a difference.

please legalize chucking for cheat spinners to survive :hatsoff:

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Two guys whose records should certainly be wiped away, Murali, Ajmal, both blatantly chucked for entire career, also people who are going to defend Murali, it is scientifically impossible to not straighten arm when you bowl with ur palm facing up n arm rotation Murali had n he started with a very crooked arm and straightened it at a huge degree itself.

 

Ajmal was such a blatant. Hucker that he would've been called out in a gully game, I would blame Pak cricket initially n ICC more the. Hi for letting him play.

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3 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Cause he made your batsmen shake there legs.

Doesn’t matter...he was a fraud and a cheat...doesn’t deserve respect...may be that is your benchmark but the guy is a disgrace to the art of spin bowling,the hard working spinner who doesn’t take shot cut. Sorry doesn’t deserve a tribute.

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Doesn’t matter...he was a fraud and a cheat...doesn’t deserve respect...may be that is your benchmark but the guy is a disgrace to the art of spin bowling,the hard working spinner who doesn’t take shot cut. Sorry doesn’t deserve a tribute.

I agree he was a chucker who deserves no respect. Your main beef should be with the icc not the player. He got away with it because it was allowed at the time.

 

Secondly his points about batsmen getting more advantage in the game was a valid one. Apparrently our moralist don’t look at how much free ride batsmen have gotten due to increase in bat size, pitches being flat etc. Bowlers these days don’t have it easy. Cricket is now a batsmen’s game. Not a balanced game that favors both bat and ball.

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2 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

I agree he was a chucker who deserves no respect. Your main beef should be with the icc not the player. He got away with it because it was allowed at the time.

 

Secondly his points about batsmen getting more advantage in the game was a valid one. Apparrently our moralist don’t look at how much free ride batsmen have gotten due to increase in bat size, pitches being flat etc. Bowlers these days don’t have it easy. Cricket is now a batsmen’s game. Not a balanced game that favors both bat and ball.

Sure cricket has become batting friendly but legalizing chucking and ball tampering to neuter that is a dumb argument. It is like saying legalize shoplifting to counter inflation.

 

Sure there are plenty of hard working bowlers including Pakistani bowlers who are  learning to survive without such short cuts.....why make excuses for a chucker?

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

Sure cricket has become batting friendly but legalizing chucking and ball tampering to neuter that is a dumb argument. It is like saying legalize shoplifting to counter inflation.

 

Sure there are plenty of hard working bowlers including Pakistani bowlers who are  learning to survive without such short cuts.....why make excuses for a chucker?

I am not making excuses just saying if you wanna look at morals than batsmen having leeway as they are is not correct either. Batsmen should get punished or restricted from having huge bat sizes. Make pitches less flatter in big tournaments as well. Thats not far from cheating as far as I am concerned.

 

And no I do not want chucking to be legalized. I want batting to stop getting so much leeway. Ajmal’s point about this was correct. 

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2 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

I am not making excuses just saying if you wanna look at morals than batsmen having leeway as they are is not correct either. Batsmen should get punished or restricted from having huge bat sizes. Make pitches less flatter in big tournaments as well. Thats not far from cheating as far as I am concerned.

 

And no I do not want chucking to be legalized. I want batting to stop getting so much leeway. Ajmal’s point about this was correct. 

Ajmal’s point was coming from a perspective of a bitter ex-con who is frustrated with the society....post article from  more relevant voice maybe perspective might be different.

 

I remember during the recession when a homeless crazy guy was yelling at me and a few other Indians for Immigrants taking away American jobs...it is not the same as an American citizen who lost his job due to outsourcing and complaining about it.

 

Why is that so difficult to grasp?

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4 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

I am not making excuses just saying if you wanna look at morals than batsmen having leeway as they are is not correct either. Batsmen should get punished or restricted from having huge bat sizes. Make pitches less flatter in big tournaments as well. Thats not far from cheating as far as I am concerned.

 

And no I do not want chucking to be legalized. I want batting to stop getting so much leeway. Ajmal’s point about this was correct. 

making pitches less flat might encourage ordinary bowling ,i thinks thickness of bats should be reduced and outfields should be made a bit more lush and soft and slow ,this will encourage more running between the wickets , fielding and throwing, making things more athletic

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14 minutes ago, maniac said:

Ajmal’s point was coming from a perspective of a bitter ex-con who is frustrated with the society....post article from  more relevant voice maybe perspective might be different.

 

I remember during the recession when a homeless crazy guy was yelling at me and a few other Indians for Immigrants taking away American jobs...it is not the same as an American citizen who lost his job due to outsourcing and complaining about it.

 

Why is that so difficult to grasp?

 

Seems like you have not grasped his argument and made up your version of the story with your head canon. What ever Ajmal was doing is obvious. His argument however was a valid one. If you wanna talk about morality than what ever the batsmen are doing is also cheating. Chucking should not be allowed but also not increase in bat.

 

14 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

making pitches less flat might encourage ordinary bowling ,i thinks thickness of bats should be reduced and outfields should be made a bit more lush and soft and slow ,this will encourage more running between the wickets , fielding and throwing, making things more athletic

It will make the game much more balanced. Make batsmen work harder for there runs instead of getting the free ride as they are. Cricket will once again be a clean sport.

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8 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

 

Seems like you have not grasped his argument and made up your version of the story with your head canon. What ever Ajmal was doing is obvious. His argument however was a valid one. If you wanna talk about morality than what ever the batsmen are doing is also cheating. Chucking should not be allowed but also not increase in bat.

 

It will make the game much more balanced. Make batsmen work harder for there runs instead of getting the free ride as they are. Cricket will once again be a clean sport.

Simple...you don’t need Ajmal to validate that.When someone like Ajmal with a tainted career starts talking those things it becomes more about him.

 

If Amir tommorow says that it is so easy for youngsters to get influenced in fixing,he may have a point but it becomes about him because of his past .and looks like he is making an excuse to defend his actions.

 

It is so Obvious what Ajmal is hinting at here...anyway from your regular  cricket related statements like we made your  batsmen shake...Star bano...mountain men Pathans....good looking heartthrob etc etc atleast you acknowledged Ajmal to be what he is a cheat and a fraud.Thats a start I guess.

 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

Simple...you don’t need Ajmal to validate that.When someone like Ajmal with a tainted career starts talking those things it becomes more about him.

 

If Amir tommorow says that it is so easy for youngsters to get influenced in fixing,he may have a point but it becomes about him because of his past .and looks like he is making an excuse to defend his actions.

 

It is so Obvious what Ajmal is hinting at here...anyway from your regular  cricket related statements like we made your  batsmen shake...Star bano...mountain men Pathans....good looking heartthrob etc etc atleast you acknowledged Ajmal to be what he is a cheat and a fraud.Thats a start I guess.

 

@bold: That logic is laughable. So basically we should judge other people based on there history and not there points. First off what he did was not a crime. No where in cricket does it say its ok to fix matches. If Amir advocated that than he would be rightfully criticized. What Ajmal did here was bring up a interesting point that you moralist don’t see cause of biased. Batsmen these days get too much leeway in cricket where as bowlers suffer. There should be a balance between bat and ball. There should be no reason to favor one over the other. If you wanna say this is about him than I ask what the hell does he have to gain from all of this when his cricketing years were coming to a hault for good by the time he made these statements?

 

Look what is wrong is wrong two wrongs don’t make a right. I will never say a chucker deserves to bowl again. If he is caught he should be banned. At the same time there should be some word said about thick bats. There should be a word said about how much batsmen are getting favored over the bowlers. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

@bold: That logic is laughable. So basically we should judge other people based on there history and not there points. First off what he did was not a crime. No where in cricket does it say its ok to fix matches. If Amir advocated that than he would be rightfully criticized. What Ajmal did here was bring up a interesting point that you moralist don’t see cause of biased. Batsmen these days get too much leeway in cricket where as bowlers suffer. There should be a balance between bat and ball. There should be no reason to favor one over the other. If you wanna say this is about him than I ask what the hell does he have to gain from all of this when his cricketing years were coming to a hault for good by the time he made these statements?

 

Look what is wrong is wrong two wrongs don’t make a right. I will never say a chucker deserves to bowl again. If he is caught he should be banned. At the same time there should be some word said about thick bats. There should be a word said about how much batsmen are getting favored over the bowlers. 

 

 

I think we are going in circles here...so let me ask a question I should have asked at the start.

 

Did you even read the interview???

 

Since you seem to have the attention span of a gold fish let me paste the excerpt for you 

 

See below...this immediately follows his blabbering about ICC pitches and rules favoring batsmen. I am really trying to work  with you here and avoid any jibes :laugh: 

 

Can you succeed as a spinner without throwing?
I have already given reasons as to why chucking started. There is nothing for the spinners. The ICC should allow spinners some relaxation. I said it to the ICC but it didn't make a difference.

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10 minutes ago, maniac said:

I think we are going in circles here...so let me ask a question I should have asked at the start.

 

Did you even read the interview???

 

Since you seem to have the attention span of a gold fish let me paste the excerpt for you 

 

See below...this immediately follows his blabbering about ICC pitches and rules favoring batsmen. I am really trying to work  with you here and avoid any jibes :laugh: 

 

Can you succeed as a spinner without throwing?
I have already given reasons as to why chucking started. There is nothing for the spinners. The ICC should allow spinners some relaxation. I said it to the ICC but it didn't make a difference.

Yeah I read the interview and this reason he gave before that question:

 

Do you reckon it is difficult for bowlers to innovate within the numerous stringent restrictions imposed by the ICC, as opposed to batsmen, who have the freedom to keep innovating and improvising?


“Perhaps it is easier for the fast bowlers, considering they have two new balls in ODIs. It has become very difficult for spinners. Why did the spinners start chucking, bowling faster? Heavy, broad, big bats, a mishit would go for a six; Powerplays, four fielders outside the circle, five inside in the ODIs. Pitches have changed. What can spinners do in such a setting? Spinners had to learn something new, and so started bowling faster. Earlier if you flighted the ball, you would get respect. Abhi agar hawa mein do toh hawa mein jaata hai. [Now if you toss it up in the air, it disappears into the air.] With the playing conditions changing, spinners started to learn to bowl fast and the chucking issue became prominent.

 

Fingerspinners can't survive in international cricket, especially in ODIs and T20 cricket. The guy who does not have variety will be hit. You have to have variations, and for that you have to work hard, otherwise you are out.”

 

I was reffering to that statement. Which has its merits. We are going in circles because you refuse to accept batsmen are also cheating and getting away with many things that are ruining the balance of the game. So if you wanna talk about good morales than bash this expect of cricket to.

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3 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

Cause he made your batsmen shake there legs.

what is this obsession with pak people , of batsmen shaking their ( note their not there) legs ? its just a cricket ball no one shakes their legs for it, may be you are confusing it with football.

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1 minute ago, Shaz1 said:

Yeah I read the interview and this reason he gave before that question:

 

Do you reckon it is difficult for bowlers to innovate within the numerous stringent restrictions imposed by the ICC, as opposed to batsmen, who have the freedom to keep innovating and improvising?
Perhaps it is easier for the fast bowlers, considering they have two new balls in ODIs. It has become very difficult for spinners. Why did the spinners start chucking, bowling faster? Heavy, broad, big bats, a mishit would go for a six; Powerplays, four fielders outside the circle, five inside in the ODIs. Pitches have changed. What can spinners do in such a setting? Spinners had to learn something new, and so started bowling faster. Earlier if you flighted the ball, you would get respect. Abhi agar hawa mein do toh hawa mein jaata hai. [Now if you toss it up in the air, it disappears into the air.] With the playing conditions changing, spinners started to learn to bowl fast and the chucking issue became prominent.

Fingerspinners can't survive in international cricket, especially in ODIs and T20 cricket. The guy who does not have variety will be hit. You have to have variations, and for that you have to work hard, otherwise you are out.

 

I was reffering to that statement. Which has its merits. We are going in circles because you refuse to accept batsmen are also cheating and getting away with many things that are ruining the balance of the game. So if you wanna talk about good morales than bash this expect of cricket to.

Dude last attempt

 

He is pointing out the obvious which we all know exists about inequality between bat and ball.That point is immediately followed by

 a justification to chucking as you see in the immediate next answer I mean you still are not getting it .Ok I give up...un fkin believable :wall:

 

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22 minutes ago, maniac said:

Dude last attempt

 

He is pointing out the obvious which we all know exists about inequality between bat and ball.That point is immediately followed by

 a justification to chucking as you see in the immediate next answer I mean you still are not getting it .Ok I give up...un fkin believable :wall:

 

Lol This is funny. You are trying to tell me that I am sitting here trying to validate his every point. I only pointed that bolded part out because I to believe that argument is correct. As for his other statement of making chucking allowed I do not agree with. Instead of making chucking allowed I prefer to balance the game by taking away the unfair advantage given to batsmen. 

 

Just to baby it down for you. I am only supporting that point his and making my own point. This is no way means I support his every point you are stuck on pointing.

 

Just to add on to that, what he wants is chucking for spinners and flat pitches with heavy willow for the batsmen. Earlyier I stated two wrongs don’t make a right. In this case there are two wrongs. In my point of view you should eradicate both chucking and huge bat sizes to bring the balance to the game.

 

If you don’t understand this much than I am sorry you need a English teacher. Cause I cannot help you.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Shaz1 said:

Lol This is funny. You are trying to tell me that I am sitting here trying to validate his every point. I only pointed that bolded part out because I to believe that argument is correct. As for his other statement of making chucking allowed I do not agree with. Instead of making chucking allowed I prefer to balance the game by taking away the unfair advantage given to batsmen. 

 

Just to baby it down for you. I am only supporting that point his and making my own point. This is no way means I support his every point you are stuck on pointing.

On a thread about a “chucker”, who made all these “points” to justify “chucking” the only point that stuck out to you is the “obvious”he stated to “justify” his “chucking”.

 

the thread is about Ajmal the chucker If you want to discuss ICC rules,there can be a different discussion on it, on an Ajmal thread everything he says will lead to him. Simple enough?

 

again I guess for your average Pakistani  a batsman doing a sajda correctly overshadows his  flaws in his footwork.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, maniac said:

On a thread about a “chucker”, who made all these “points” to justify “chucking” the only point that stuck out to you is the “obvious”he stated to “justify” his “chucking”.

 

the thread is about Ajmal the chucker If you want to discuss ICC rules,there can be a different discussion on it, on an Ajmal thread everything he says will lead to him. Simple enough?

 

again I guess for your average Pakistani  a batsman doing a sajda correctly overshadows his  flaws in his footwork.

 

 

This discussion is on topic as Ajmal himself mentioned this. I am only pointing out a point of view I agree with. I already dismissed his view of allowing chucking for spinners. Seems like you are failing to grasp simple english and point of a forum. Looks like you need a lesson on that by a English teacher. Good luck on that and by the way congrates on having the first intelligent debate with me. 

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Just now, Shaz1 said:

This discussion is on topic as Ajmal himself mentioned this. I am only pointing out a point of view I agree with. I already dismissed his view of allowing chucking for spinners. Seems like you are failing to grasp simple english and point of a forum. Looks like you need a lesson on that by a English teacher. Good luck on that and by the way congrates on having a first intelligent debate with me. 

Am I supposed to be flattered by that :hysterical:

 

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44 minutes ago, Vilander said:

what is this obsession with pak people , of batsmen shaking their ( note their not there) legs ? its just a cricket ball no one shakes their legs for it, may be you are confusing it with football.

So batsmen don’t move there feet in cricket. Nice logic.

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3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

waha kya cheating karta waha to throw allowed hai, cheating kare bina to khel nhin sakte 

Ye kaafi badaa aarop hai :rofl:

 

Waise, javelin throw mein takleef ye bhi hai ki long sleeves pehne se koi faayda nahi milta.

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6 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

This guy was a pure genius at what he did. The way he used to outfox a batsmen was brilliant. He had a fast bowlers attitude for a spinner. Amazing bowler to watch when he was on sung.

What the hell are u talking about, defending a blatant chucker, that's disgusting, his arm bent n straightened from I believe max 30 degrees lol, n that's a joke

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59 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

What the hell are u talking about, defending a blatant chucker, that's disgusting, his arm bent n straightened from I believe max 30 degrees lol, n that's a joke

Send him to prison. Burn his house down. Yell Ajmal’s name in dishonor. Make chucking tomatoes at him a hobby.

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Sad to see one of the modern day greats retire with Ajmal pulling up stumps

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21398414/saeed-ajmal-retire-all-formats-end-month

 

At his prime he was the undisputed best spinner in the world.  He will be remembered for bamboozling bastermen around the world and being Misbah's go too weapon. 

 

He is up there with Yasir, Rangana, Lyon and Harbajhan as a modern great amongst spin bowlers.

 

Post your tributes below Pencil Posters

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3 minutes ago, cric_fan said:

You are inviting trolls

Well, if that were the case I would expect @Laaloo and other Moderators to swiftly ban such trolls.

 

This Thread is in praise of Ajmal - a great player of his generation.  Any trolling should be dealt with harshly

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At his best he was one of those bowlers who added fear in batsmen’s faces. His bowling bamboozled the best of the best. Had the fighting spirit of a lion to tear down the opposition. Will be remembered for tormenting the number 1 England team in UAE. 

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2 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

Send him to prison. Burn his house down. Yell Ajmal’s name in dishonor. Make chucking tomatoes at him a hobby.

It's elementary cheaters should be disqualified in sports , chucking, doping, gender bending, it should be a level playing field.

I would not stupidly say Shoaib was a chucker coz he had hyper extension but Ajmal was blatant n a ignorant idiot to boot, same with Sreesanth a fixer n a idiot have to State the facts.

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4 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

It's elementary cheaters should be disqualified in sports , chucking, doping, gender bending, it should be a level playing field.

I would not stupidly say Shoaib was a chucker coz he had hyper extension but Ajmal was blatant n a ignorant idiot to boot, same with Sreesanth a fixer n a idiot have to State the facts.

Wow you are very vocal about cheats. Well have no fear the guy already retired. No more chucking, no more problems.

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7 hours ago, Vilander said:

Dude he was cleared by sc. Dont just include him to strike a conceliatory note with pak poster.

In rare cases a match fixer is caught red ha ded or punished, Sreesanth was one who got away ,but BCCI rightly banned him, but failed to ban other culprits,Gavaskar was caught with huge amount in the past which he could not explain, no one is clean , Shastri, Azhar, Jadeja, Kapil, during Sharjah days most got their hands dirty.

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19 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

I agree he was a chucker who deserves no respect. Your main beef should be with the icc not the player. He got away with it because it was allowed at the time.

 

Secondly his points about batsmen getting more advantage in the game was a valid one. Apparrently our moralist don’t look at how much free ride batsmen have gotten due to increase in bat size, pitches being flat etc. Bowlers these days don’t have it easy. Cricket is now a batsmen’s game. Not a balanced game that favors both bat and ball.

He blatantly lied that his arm is bent and he cant bowl within limits. Just after ban he started bowling within limits. How convenient?

 

No, bowlers are not on backfoot anymore in tests. This guy robbed Yasir Shah few years for sure. His argument that there isn't much for spinners doesn't hold water. Ashwin, Jadeja, Yasir Shah, Herath all top bowlers are spinners. In addition to that Lyon, Maharaj and Moeen Ali as important parts of their squads. International cricket didn't have so many good spinners at once for long time.

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3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

He blatantly lied that his arm is bent and he cant bowl within limits. Just after ban he started bowling within limits. How convenient?

 

No, bowlers are not on backfoot anymore in tests. This guy robbed Yasir Shah few years for sure. His argument that there isn't much for spinners doesn't hold water. Ashwin, Jadeja, Yasir Shah, Herath all top bowlers are spinners. In addition to that Lyon, Maharaj and Moeen Ali as important parts of their squads. International cricket didn't have so many good spinners at once for long time.

@bold: Thats not the argument here.

 

He was not talking about just Tests. Yasir Shah was not a good spinner when he started. He was found than trained by Mushtaq Ahmad to get better. He was one of those guys who were specifically found to replace Ajmal. As for his argument I have already explained which part I agreed with. Batsmen these days do have a huge advantage which has ruined the balance of the game. Thick bats should be banned from cricket to get the balance of bat and bowl.

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1 minute ago, Shaz1 said:

@bold: Thats not the argument here.

 

He was not talking about just Tests. Yasir Shah was not a good spinner when he started. He was found than trained by Mushtaq Ahmad to get better. He was one of those guys who were specifically found to replace Ajmal. As for his argument I have already explained which part I agreed with. Batsmen these days do have a huge advantage which has ruined the balance of the game. Thick bats should be banned from cricket to get the balance of bat and bowl.

Agreed that batsmen do have a lot of freedom. However, chucking to counter that is no solution. Perhaps laws can be changed and the bowlers need to fight for that. 

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