Vijay Shankar (Batting Pacer Allrounder) - Performance Watch thread

[Pollack]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Still it was horrible imo.  He batted worse than even a specialist batsman for so many balls in T20. It will be tough for any Indian player ( batsman or even specialist bowler) to bat badly than that. Not getting on bat is unacceptable for so many balls.

He was confused. He wasn't connecting and so he should have focussed on connecting first and taking a single atleast. He let the pressure of the match situation on him. M Pandey at the other end wasn't of much help either.

[sandeep]

6 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

He played a bad over to Mustafizur. Looked under pressure. I would just say that. T20s, lot of plaers have done the same thing, playing bad over.

 

 

Sure, Pandey is about 10x more guilty than Shankar in this game.  I would credit Pandey with getting Brohit out as well.

 

But bottomline is Shankar hasn't really impressed with either bat or ball in hand.  I've enjoyed his spirit and effort - that has stood out big time.  But the most you can say about his bowling or batting is that he's allright.   And thats being generous.  In a country like India, with the bench strength we have, its going to be hard for him to stay relevant, with the likes of Nagarkoti etc waiting to come up through the ranks.  And there will be others as well.  

[sandeep]

6 minutes ago, kosingh said:

Manish Pandey is the one whose place needs to be questioned. 

Pandey shouldn't be playing T20s in the 1st place.  He's not a guy who can deliver boundaries.  And his biggest problem is mental - he sees himself as a future batting star in the mirror, and wants badly to show it.  While putting himself under pressure, he's Hemang Badani-ing his way out of the Indian team.  

[Cricketics]

3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Sure, Pandey is about 10x more guilty than Shankar in this game.  I would credit Pandey with getting Brohit out as well.

 

But bottomline is Shankar hasn't really impressed with either bat or ball in hand.  I've enjoyed his spirit and effort - that has stood out big time.  But the most you can say about his bowling or batting is that he's allright.   And thats being generous.  In a country like India, with the bench strength we have, its going to be hard for him to stay relevant, with the likes of Nagarkoti etc waiting to come up through the ranks.  And there will be others as well.  

Shankar is batsman who can bowl and not the other way around. Shankar can’t impress you until he can be given to bat consistently. Bowling is not his strength.

 

So wait for him to play at least 10-15 ODI’s and then you can judge him. And judge him based on his battinnt again. This t20 batting where he batted for the first time and had to throw his bat where he struggled aren’t the best way to decide careers.

 

Give him time.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Sure, Pandey is about 10x more guilty than Shankar in this game.  I would credit Pandey with getting Brohit out as well.

 

But bottomline is Shankar hasn't really impressed with either bat or ball in hand.  I've enjoyed his spirit and effort - that has stood out big time.  But the most you can say about his bowling or batting is that he's allright.   And thats being generous.  In a country like India, with the bench strength we have, its going to be hard for him to stay relevant, with the likes of Nagarkoti etc waiting to come up through the ranks.  And there will be others as well.  

Do you do this on purpose or is it clinically diagnosed?

 

Shankar or for the matter of fact Siraj have both got a shot on the basis of strong domestic numbers as well as decent IPL showing.

 

On top of that they have age on their side and not a battle hardened domestic verterans.

 

Now Siraj has got decent chances and has fumbled it every time so time to go back

and work on the basics.Being part of IPL might get a chance to  work with some good coaches.

 

Shankar on the other hand has had his first bad game, did well with the ball every chance he got.

 

Yes batting is his strong suite but tell me how many rookies have done well in their first batting stint in a pressure final in a pressure situation?

 

Look I believe when we invest in someone we give them a fair run regardless of who it is and I think he deserves a few more chances and has done nothing wrong to be dumped yet.

 

Based on today’s game not a good start though and he needs to do a lot more now to make

up for it.

[Straight Drive]

2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

He was confused. He wasn't connecting and so he should have focussed on connecting first and taking a single atleast. He let the pressure of the match situation on him. M Pandey at the other end wasn't of much help either.

Yes, even some specialist bowlers show that much sense to give strike to other when you just cannot touch the ball. And he is expected to be having a better batting mindset. Crazy he didn't cover the ball with body and try to get bat or leg bye run. Absolutely clueless. At least Manish was getting bat on ball. 

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Shankar is batsman who can bowl and not the other way around. Shankar can’t impress you until he can be given to bat consistently. Bowling is not his strength.

 

So wait for him to play at least 10-15 ODI’s and then you can judge him. And judge him based on his battinnt again. This t20 batting where he batted for the first time and had to throw his bat where he struggled aren’t the best way to decide careers.

 

Give him time.

If he's a batsman, then its really not forgiveable for him to have a 5-ball spell in the 18th over, where he can't touch the ball.  That's worse than tailenderesque.   A national team level "batsman" should have the brains and ability to at least tap the ball and get off strike.  And he did it again in the 20th over as well.  Better batsmen than him have been dropped forever from the team for less.  

Edited March 18, 2018 by sandeep

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Yes, even some specialist bowlers show that much sense to give strike to other when you just cannot touch the ball. And he is expected to be having a better batting mindset. Crazy he didn't cover the ball with body and try to get bat or leg bye run. Absolutely clueless. At least Manish was getting bat on ball. 

He let pressure get to him...Apart from Bumrah haven’t seen a young player taking into internationals like a fish to water so far.thats not a good sign...Pandya will give it to him has the confidence but sometimes overconfidence which is his problem

 

 

[R.D forever]

Unfair to judge him with this one but yeah he definitely is not like for like replacement for pandya. He looks more of an accumulator who can score well in middle overs. Maybe good for tests to if he improves his bowling. But definitely not a.hitter

[Cricketics]

8 hours ago, sandeep said:

If he's a batsman, then its really not forgiveable for him to have a 5-ball spell in the 18th over, where he can't touch the ball.  That's worse than tailenderesque.   A national team level "batsman" should have the brains and ability to at least tap the ball and get off strike.  And he did it again in the 20th over as well.  Better batsmen than him have been dropped forever from the team for less.  

Thats why team lose games while chasing in t20s when players struggle to score or make silly mistakes.

 

Thats what Shankar did. These things like player not rotating strike happens all the time, even Yuvraj has done in in important games and cost India matches. Like I said, he is probabaly not the best t20 bat around and even if he does well in future, its too early to expect young players to start performing from ball one or game one.

 

T20s make new comers try different things and hence they struggle. Shankar is just another player who struggled in his first t20 outing with the bat.

 

 

 

 

[Straight Drive]

8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Shankar is batsman who can bowl and not the other way around. Shankar can’t impress you until he can be given to bat consistently. Bowling is not his strength.

 

So wait for him to play at least 10-15 ODI’s and then you can judge him. And judge him based on his battinnt again. This t20 batting where he batted for the first time and had to throw his bat where he struggled aren’t the best way to decide careers.

 

Give him time.

One can understand a bad innings but showing the inability to even touch the ball with bat is a major concern. His basic batting qualities have been found to be questionable. I am not that disappointed because he made 17 in 19 balls. The disgusting aspect of his batting was to see him not connect 3 balls in one over even on a wicket where 4 and sixers were not tough. And the bowler was not a T20 great as well. 

[Straight Drive]

29 minutes ago, maniac said:

He let pressure get to him...Apart from Bumrah haven’t seen a young player taking into internationals like a fish to water so far.thats not a good sign...Pandya will give it to him has the confidence but sometimes overconfidence which is his problem

 

 

The concern is his failure to connect ball consecutively as well as not showing intelligence to cover and try at least leg bye if he cannot middle it. It exposed his basic batting skills as well as not able to effect or think of "Plan B" in today's innings.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Straight Drive

[CG]

The concern is his failure to connect ball consecutively as well as not showing intelligence to cover and try at least leg bye if he cannot middle it. It exposed his basic batting skills as well as not able to effect or think of "Plan B" in today's innings.

Clearly Final pressure got to him.His bowling was off and batting under pressure was not up to mark.But he will get better .

[Straight Drive]

8 minutes ago, CG said:

32 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

The concern is his failure to connect ball consecutively as well as not showing intelligence to cover and try at least leg bye if he cannot middle it. It exposed his basic batting skills as well as not able to effect or think of "Plan B" in today's innings.

Clearly Final pressure got to him.His bowling was off and batting under pressure was not up to mark.But he will get better .

Nowhere near Hardik Pandya at T20 format. Even Binny had better  T20 batting than Shankar. Probably his T20 batting is on par only with Rishi Dhawan. Actually it was good that Hardik got rest. Now the rosy picture of having an all rounder backup is horribly exposed. Sometimes it is better to have a thorough understanding of the depth of each and every skill set at international level.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Straight Drive

[velu]

On 06/03/2018 at 6:44 PM, maniac said:

The guy looks the real deal whenever I saw him with the bat...hope he translates it on the big stage.

 

 

Good luck for his debut.

 

another budding cricketer career almost runined by this panuati OP 

[vishalvirsingh]

he has temperament issue's. his Batting skills went zero and was going for wil slogs and not even watching the ball till it connects to the bat...cant crucify him as he is young but definitely NO where near INDIA Material at present. 

since he has all round skills he should be trained hard but definitely he cannot challenge hardik pandya or washington sundar- these two guys are india level all rounders...i hope sundar bats well. at least one of his Skills is too good.

shankar should be asked to pack his bags and play domestic cricket and washington Sundar should be into indian odi and t20 team regularly.

Chahal also looks a RUBBISH fielder like ASHWIN.

even shardul thakur is a pacer who needs to improve a lot.

Shankar is definitely not the bowler we need, he looked very very pedestrian always and seems to be a back door entry into indian cricket.

 

it is better to play rishi dhawan or even stuart Binny Ahead of him...we need to be fair to rishi and binny , binny was always a very good batsman and his bowling was no where as rubbish as shankar...i am not trying to say play Binny , he is a trundler and for sure our search for a back up for pandya should continue, we should DUMP shankar, i don't think he can play for INDIA.

 

he seems to have some fitness issue's as well. i see him kinda getting tired as if he is a old man after one over.

[King Tendulkar]

So the shankar bandwagon on icf has ground to a halt 

 

when will you guys get it . A bower who can touch 90 mph and bat proper and can hit ball in to a row x is once in a generation thing . Hilarious you guys thought had a replacement already 

 

his bowling is  pants . Fact 

[vvvslaxman]

okay . Seeing and analyzing again  he clearly has problem against slower balls. He missed all the slower balls from Fizz. Then later sowmya sorkar bowled a slower one. He missed that too. He is one of those guys who could play the ball rather than manufacture a shot.If anything we need someone like Raina down the order to get going from ball one. Pandya, Raina, DK . These consolidators can push the asking rate from 7 to 19 in no time. So he probably is more suited to one dayers. 

[gakgupta]

Shankar should have been given the chance to bat in one the league matches. Too much pressure to handle. Not easy in the finals

[diga]

Why does every Vijay out there try to screw DK's career ?