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Having followed cricket for a while it surprises me why Asian teams have failed to match up to Pakistan over the years . 

Arguably a lot of these sides have healthier domestic structures so why have they failed to produce similar talent ??

Is it because of the bowling lineups where a huge country like India has not produced a sub 25 averaging world class bowler .

Pakistan for example have won a smiliar number of tests from a hundred less games than India. 

Interestingly the tiny island of Srilanka and India have  simar records but well behind Pakistan while Bangladesh have been just poor so far.

Why has Pakistan been such a dominant force in Asian cricket ?? 

Discuss.

 

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Pakistan were, historically, a strong team until the mid 90's in tests. That is a good 4 decades since they started playing. If you look at the last two decades, India have comfortably been a better test nation. India have been a better ODI side than Pakistan though. 2 world cups and a comparable W/L ratio against top sides.

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16 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

They were dominant when Shakoor Rana and co used to umpire. In last 10-12 years when umpiring standards have improved and technology increased and more scrutiny being done by media and all, even likes of Lanka have beaten them now.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

They were dominant when Shakoor Rana and co used to umpire. In last 10-12 years when umpiring standards have improved and technology increased and more scrutiny being done by media and all, even likes of Lanka have beaten them now.

 

 

That is an inteteresting perspective . Yes home umpires were notoriously biased . 

 

One of the reasons the victories in India are cherished so much . 

Hopefully in this day and age of professionalism we will see India and Pakistan produce some good umpires.

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11 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Pakistan were, historically, a strong team until the mid 90's in tests. That is a good 4 decades since they started playing. If you look at the last two decades, India have comfortably been a better test nation. India have been a better ODI side than Pakistan though. 2 world cups and a comparable W/L ratio against top sides.

India trail pakistan something like 80 -55 

Pakistan beat India in India in the last bilateral odi series .

Pakistan beat India by 180 runs in the last game the two teams played .

Pakistan has won a bilateral odi series in and against every single test playing nation.

Pakistan has dominated the Asian cricket scene .

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13 minutes ago, the don said:

India trail pakistan something like 80 -55 

Pakistan beat India in India in the last bilateral odi series .

Pakistan beat India by 180 runs in the last game the two teams played .

Pakistan has won a bilateral odi series in and against every single test playing nation.

Pakistan has dominated the Asian cricket scene .

have you drawn a test match in australia lol ?

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1 hour ago, the don said:

Having followed cricket for a while it surprises me why Asian teams have failed to match up to Pakistan over the years . 

Arguably a lot of these sides have healthier domestic structures so why have they failed to produce similar talent ??

Is it because of the bowling lineups where a huge country like India has not produced a sub 25 averaging world class bowler .

Pakistan for example have won a smiliar number of tests from a hundred less games than India. 

Interestingly the tiny island of Srilanka and India have  simar records but well behind Pakistan while Bangladesh have been just poor so far.

Why has Pakistan been such a dominant force in Asian cricket ?? 

Discuss.

 

Which millenium are we talking about?  In the current one, in this universe, not some alternative jihadi one, the numbers speak for themselves. 

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15 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Which millenium are we talking about?  In the current one, in this universe, not some alternative jihadi one, the numbers speak for themselves. 

Yes speaking of numbers .

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Note : The numbers against srilanka should be upto 90 .

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

She is wearing a green low cut :p:...is that a symbolism of how Pak invites Aus to “you know what” them every time 

did you see the plug on 'what about'...i am now qualified to be part of fox news as well with that bit of great reporting.

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Wow, Looks like even Sri Lanka has a better win-loss record in ODIs than Pakjabis.  :hysterical:

 

So the question for this millenium is, will Pakistan continue to stink or can it somehow avoid having to go through qualifiers for the 2023 ODI world cup?

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=won;spanmin1=1+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;team=25;team=6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=team

 

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overall records of ind,pak,sl since 94

 

  tests

Overall figures
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/LDescending Ave RPO Inns HS LS  
India 1994-2017 681 366 278 5 32 1.316 35.02 5.23 671 418 54 investigate this query
Pakistan 1994-2017 602 326 261 4 11 1.249 30.86 4.97 602 385 75 investigate this query
Sri Lanka 1994-2017 632 327 273 5 27 1.197 30.95 5.05 622 443 43 investigate this query

 

odi

Overall figures
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/LDescending Ave RPO Inns HS LS  
India 1994-2017 684 368 279 5 32 1.318 34.99 5.23 674 418 54 investigate this query
Pakistan 1994-2017 604 326 263 4 11 1.239 30.83 4.97 604 385 75 investigate this query
Sri Lanka 1994-2017 636 330 274 5 27 1.204 30.95 5.05 626 443 43

 

 

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srilanka's  odi record vs pak  since 95,without the recent 5-0 thrashing they would have been ahead

 

Overall figures
Team SpanAscending Mat Won Lost Tied NR W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS  
Sri Lanka 1995-2017 105 49 52 1 3 0.942 28.35 4.95 102 368 78

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10 hours ago, the don said:

 

That is an inteteresting perspective . Yes home umpires were notoriously biased . 

 

One of the reasons the victories in India are cherished so much . 

Hopefully in this day and age of professionalism we will see India and Pakistan produce some good umpires.

All I see is bunch of grown up Pakistan players acting like little beeches because they could not have their way. You have not done jack since cameras and neutral umpires. Spend some time thinking why is that and then start a thread. I am sure we will help you with the correct answers.

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simple . 'bottle caps headed by Khan', bullying Pakistani umpires  like Shakoor rana  who acted  like telling  Maninder singh that  he would get wickets in Pakistan only by getting batsmen ' bowled' and orderded to keep on with the game & deliberately sided with Pak bowlers to bowl no balls , generally more animated specatators who even went on to make matches abandon if PAK  was in hopeless situation etc etc.Thanks that all of that have changed with  lot more ICC RULES in these multi camera & neutral umpiring days

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2 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

simple . 'bottle caps headed by Khan', bullying Pakistani umpires  like Shakoor rana  who acted  like telling  Maninder singh that  he would get wickets in Pakistan only by getting batsmen ' bowled' and orderded to keep on with the game & deliberately sided with Pak bowlers to bowl no balls , generally more animated specatators who even went on to make matches abandon if PAK  was in hopeless situation etc etc.Thanks that all of that have changed with  lot more ICC RULES in these multi camera & neutral umpiring days

I find the umpire excuse hilarous because Pakistan has smashed India in India as recently as the last ODI series between the two sides . Secondly its funny when you say it because not only were the Indian umpires biased they are still particularly poor . Been a while since India produced a half decent umpire .

 Lol at taling diga at pakistani crowds .

Pakistani crowds are possibily the best behaved in Asia along with the Lankan crowd.

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3 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

more animated specatators who even went on to make matches abandon if PAK  was in hopeless situation etc

Its Lol-worthy how greenbros forget their consistent history of doing this in the 80s and 90s.   Srikanth and others have gone on record saying how they feared for their lives due to spectator violence in Pakjabi-land.

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1 hour ago, the don said:

I find the umpire excuse hilarous because Pakistan has smashed India in India as recently as the last ODI series between the two sides . Secondly its funny when you say it because not only were the Indian umpires biased they are still particularly poor . Been a while since India produced a half decent umpire .

 Lol at taling diga at pakistani crowds .

Pakistani crowds are possibily the best behaved in Asia along with the Lankan crowd.

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not taking any thing away .Agreed that PAK  defeated IND in that last one day series just like IND defeated PAK too in some instances.

And umpires being incompetent  & poor  some times can be understood because it is natural .Even umpires being a little biased  even at crucial moments can also be understood.But those where not the cases with PAK umpires in general. Do you know about the LBW 

track record of Miandad? PAK umpires   were as biased as  it can get. how can a  home umpire tell an opposition player in the lines that you would get a wkt in Pakistan only by getting batsmen  out 'bowled only'? If you have any doubts w.r.t these incidents have a google search related to the same matter.

No captain ever in the history of cricket had the experience of getting physically attacked  by a spectator just like Srikkanth  experienced in that 89 PAK tour.No wonder teams refuse to tour Pakistan .This is just a reflection of the ever increasing  generally  disturbed  atmosphere that has always been the case in Pakistan.

And an  one day match was fully cancelled due to crowd behaviour in that 89 tour were PAK was 29 for 3 or so.

So much for your 'best behaved' claims.

 

 

And w.r.t the bottle top exploits of Khan, the lesser said the better.

 

 

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Its Lol-worthy how greenbros forget their consistent history of doing this in the 80s and 90s.   Srikanth and others have gone on record saying how they feared for their lives due to spectator violence in Pakjabi-land.

Thanks to the much organised &  strict  ICC  rules now a days, those days are over  for the good.In those days, even as teenager   i  myself used to   think often as to how these people can play in this country with a calm and relaxed frame of mind.Pak spectators those days just couldn't digest their team   being in a precarious situation againt IND let alone loosing.That was the situation those times.

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2 hours ago, the don said:

I find the umpire excuse hilarous because Pakistan has smashed India in India as recently as the last ODI series between the two sides . Secondly its funny when you say it because not only were the Indian umpires biased they are still particularly poor . Been a while since India produced a half decent umpire .

 Lol at taling diga at pakistani crowds .

Pakistani crowds are possibily the best behaved in Asia along with the Lankan crowd.

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Sure.

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  1. A small suggestion to the OP.Just take the records after 1990 or so.This because pre 1990  were at the best single  camera days & much lesser ICC influential   cricket playing days where every fraud could do every kind of cheating and escape with it.

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9 hours ago, the don said:

Well i am not talking about the past bro . I am talking about the record as it stands 

 

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Would you care to go back one match. Since the advent of neutral umpires and multiple cameras you are irrelevant. We had 5 passengers on that team and we still were in the finals.

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10 hours ago, the don said:

Well i am not talking about the past bro . I am talking about the record as it stands 

 

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One game does not make you a world beater. Celebrate that for next 30 years beause this was a gift from us to you.

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On 22/11/2017 at 3:42 AM, the don said:

India trail pakistan something like 80 -55 

Pakistan beat India in India in the last bilateral odi series .

Pakistan beat India by 180 runs in the last game the two teams played .

Pakistan has won a bilateral odi series in and against every single test playing nation.

Pakistan has dominated the Asian cricket scene .

Head to head is not the only thing that matters in ODI cricket. We have competed better against stronger teams and our W/L ratio is similar and we have won a world cup more than Pakistan as well. You are historically the most dominant Asian test side but certainly not in ODIs.   

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On 11/21/2017 at 6:31 PM, the don said:

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India were lucky they didnt play Pakistan for a major part of the 90s tbh.

Now, You can continue to claim H2H superiority against Bangladesh till 2050, but bottom line is, Bongs are a competitive if not better side then Pakistan since last couple of years and will remain same for coming 20 years.

 

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