Trichromatic Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Series averages Series Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s Start Date Winner The Ashes (England in Australia), 2006/07 5 10 0 276 116 27.60 644 42.85 1 0 0 24 0 23 Nov 2006 Australia The Ashes (Australia in England), 2009 5 9 0 222 95 24.66 426 52.11 0 1 1 34 0 8 Jul 2009 England The Ashes (England in Australia), 2010/11 5 7 1 766 235* 127.66 1438 53.26 3 2 0 81 1 25 Nov 2010 England The Ashes (Australia in England), 2013 5 10 0 277 62 27.70 761 36.39 0 3 1 32 0 10 Jul 2013 England The Ashes (England in Australia), 2013/14 5 10 0 246 72 24.60 539 45.64 0 3 1 27 0 21 Nov 2013 Australia The Ashes (Australia in England), 2015 5 9 0 330 96 36.66 732 45.08 0 2 0 46 0 8 Jul 2015 England The Ashes (England in Australia), 2017/18 1 1 0 2 2 2.00 10 20.00 0 0 0 0 0 23 Nov 2017 - G_B_, King Tendulkar and mishra 1 2 Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 That a horrific ashes record . Yet eng comms never mention it even once . Nor roots awful record in oz but with kohli 4 test in eng mention every 15 mins religiously ! wanted_desi, mancalledsting, G_B_ and 5 others 1 1 6 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 He has been poor in Ashes, but what you want them to mention? Cook has been a champion player over all, just like many players who have failed in certain countries or against certain opposition. He will go down in history as one of the great players of modern era, and surely the top ranked English player. So whats up with the thread, I am trying to find. Link to comment
New guy Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Cook is just another English over-hyped player. Will reach the very good stage but never legendary which is like English players in every single sports sandeep and Turning_track 2 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Just now, New guy said: Cook is just another English over-hyped player. Will reach the very good stage but never legendary which is like English players in every single sports Overhyped for someone over 10k runs? You are kidding. He might suck now days, but he is not overhyped. No one is who has scored over 10k runs. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Overhyped for someone over 10k runs? You are kidding. He might suck now days, but he is not overhyped. No one is who has scored over 10k runs. You play enough cricket you will eventually reach there. He used to be compared to the likes of Sachin which he never deserved. Root, Smith are way better Edited November 24, 2017 by New guy Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Everybody has a nemesis, same Cook has done well against a similar team SA. 2010-2012 Cook was a monster, very rarely do you see someone scoring that many daddy 100s in a 3 year period. Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: That a horrific ashes record . Yet eng comms never mention it even once . Nor roots awful record in oz but with kohli 4 test in eng mention every 15 mins religiously ! It's poor but not horrific. Horrific is someone failing to average 13 in 10 innings and confirming himself as the worst ever batsman to set foot in UK. Worst is being outscored by Jimmy Anderson in a 5 test series, the one and only Kohli !!!! Ponting was in a similar place before he set the record right in 2008 tour of India, still his uselessness in India placed him below Lara and SRT for eternity. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, New guy said: You play enough cricket you will eventually reach there. He used to be compared to the likes of Sachin which he never deserved. Root, Smith are way better But how is somene termed “overhyped” if he has 10k runs. No one with 10k runs can be called overhyped. He has performd for England a lot of times even if he might have failed against Australia. If you don’t like him being compared to Tendulkar then its fine, even I don’t like the comparison, but you should’t call a player overhyped. He is one of the modern greats who just had a slump or had poor run against Australia. Not many people get to 10k runs. He is a rare case from England and is in elite club. Gollum and GoldenSun 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 An opener who has scored 10k runs with more than half of them coming in England and Wales (toughest place for openers) is over rated. Yeah sure. Give me a Cook any day over the likes of Warner, Sehwag and Haydos. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Not unusual for an opener against good Aussie attacks. 2010 attack was quite weak and Aus were going down hill overall. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 26 minutes ago, Gollum said: An opener who has scored 10k runs with more than half of them coming in England and Wales (toughest place for openers) is over rated. Yeah sure. Give me a Cook any day over the likes of Warner, Sehwag and Haydos. making merry against weak attacks. Aussie attack is probably the best along with SA and he struggled. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: making merry against weak attacks. Aussie attack is probably the best along with SA and he struggled. Cook is still great and not overhyped regardless of how much merry he made in 2010. Link to comment
Nonbeliever Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Cricketics said: Cook is still great and not overhyped regardless of how much merry he made in 2010. Only player in world cricket who is not hyped is Kohli. Rest all from Bradman to Sachin to Smith are overrated. Cricketics, Laaloo and velu 2 1 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Those figures prove why people should never go by stats alone. Australia had their worst ever bowling attack of modern times during that series Cook went big. Bollinger, Doherty, Spray gun version of Mitch Johnson, Michael beer...wtf? Cook took advantage of a tired and worn Aussie attack, all credit to him, but I don't think he can boast a good record against Australia until he performs against one of their accomplished attack. Incidently the same thing happened in 2012 vs India. Worst Indian test side of recent times and cook capatilised. The funny things is, those two series will go down as his best ever by the end of his career...says it all. Summary- good player but NOT GREAT King Tendulkar and AuxiliA 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2011-12 Aus attack was just as weak, what did our maharathis do in that tour? Our combined 11 players getting outscored by Clarke and Ponting individually in most of the tests. Cook was outstanding in 2010-11, no matter which way you put it. SRT has never scored 500+ runs in a series in his entire lifetime, Cook got 761 (albeit in 5 tests)...give credit where it is due. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, New guy said: You play enough cricket you will eventually reach there. He used to be compared to the likes of Sachin which he never deserved. Root, Smith are way better He won a series for England in India in 13.. What did sachin win for Indìa outside LOL Even Dhoni has 51 average in that 07 series under Legend Dravid. Where sachin averaged in 30s Cook has average of 80 in that 2013 series and Top scorer. So cook > sachin mancalledsting 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, mancalledsting said: Incidently the same thing happened in 2012 vs India. Worst Indian test side of recent times and cook capatilised. The funny things is, those two series will go down as his best ever by the end of his career...says it all. Summary- good player but NOT GREAT Nah, we just got outplayed by the 2nd greatest visiting team to India since the turn of the millennium. We massacred Aussies next year and brushed away all challengers at home in the 2011-2014 period. Cook was splendid in that series, I would place that on par with Smith's 2017 series here. Only the 2007-10 Indian cricket team or the 2015-17 team would have given them a fight, probably winning by the narrowest margin imaginable. Any Indian cricket team apart from these 2 (post 2000) would get beaten by Cook and co. Cricketics and GoldenSun 2 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Cricketics said: But how is somene termed “overhyped” if he has 10k runs. No one with 10k runs can be called overhyped. He has performd for England a lot of times even if he might have failed against Australia. If you don’t like him being compared to Tendulkar then its fine, even I don’t like the comparison, but you should’t call a player overhyped. He is one of the modern greats who just had a slump or had poor run against Australia. Not many people get to 10k runs. He is a rare case from England and is in elite club. Rather have than overhyped guy who won a series for a england in 2013 in India. He is more of a impact player than his gawddd where we haven't won anything in Aus and RSA till now. Vilander 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Even Poms don't count Cook as a GOAT contender, we guys are jealous because he is nearing Sachin's tally. Ofc Sachin will always be GOAT and Cook an ATG, stats aren't the be all end all. Is Jayawardene(11k+ runs) better than Viv and Gavaskar? Similarly Cook will never be even within touching distance of SRT, Lara, Kallis etc. But you can't downplay such an iconic player, he along with G. Smith is the best opener post SunnyG, ahead of Haydos and Viru 2 other ATGs. Among Indian ATGs I guess only Sunny, SRT, Dravid will be ahead of Cook. Vishy, Vengsarkar, Merchant, Hazare, Jimmy, VVS, Viru etc were special in their own ways but I will rate all of them below Cook. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
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