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7 hours ago, mishra said:

And what about Root. Is He better than Smith? Bowlers are exploiting his susceptible lbw head position but I have a feeling that he is going to fix that by next couple of matches

Let the series play out and then maybe we can tell.

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Man can't tell how much I miss Steve Smith's batting. The greatest modern day batsman banned unjustly for a year and we are left to endure 8 more months of these boring pretenders like Kohli, Root, Kane etc taking turns in trying to keep the King's seat warm before he eventually returns and obliterates them all with a snap of his fingers Thanos style. Except may be a zoning Rahul there is no batsman today who can toy with bowlers as nonchalantly as Smithy. Distressing times, cricket has become meaningless after his departure. It isn't fair, CA has no *ing right to * with destiny....Smith is born to rule lesser mortals, not stay away from international cricket and waste his time. How would it have been for Da Vinci to walk away from his work at the peak of his powers, or Federer taking a sabbatical in 2005 end? How can the mofos do this to him? Hate the morally outraged fakers, hate Saffer hypocrites, hate CA, hate ICC, hate the cricketing world that did this to him. An offence that deserved 1-2 match ban needlessly prolonged to 12 months torture to allow the rest of the competition time to catch up and side mein also to make an example out of him.... I can only watch and rewatch the highlights :wall: and wait for the return of his majestic presence on the 22 yards next year. 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

dont miss his ugly batting at all.

+1

 

can't understand how these Steve Smith fans can sit through 8 hours of ugly duckling batting in a day...

 

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After SRT, Lara retirement for me it is KP and ABDV

After their retirement now, its Virat Kohli... 

 

I dont expect every batsman to be silky smooth like Anwar, mark waugh or VVS but there has to be a basic eye-pleasing technique while scoring all those mountains of runs.

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@Gollum Even I used to be his fan but he was rightfully banned no sympathy for this cheat.Apparently Mr Braunfade Cheat Smith is struggling with his ban according to Robert Craddock.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/robert-craddock-says-steve-smith-is-struggling-with-his-ban-and-should-talk-to-wendell-sailor/news-story/b1ec2c36780bb0ca33d045110a411908

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On 7/30/2018 at 10:12 PM, Gollum said:

Man can't tell how much I miss Steve Smith's batting. The greatest modern day batsman banned unjustly for a year and we are left to endure 8 more months of these boring pretenders like Kohli, Root, Kane etc taking turns in trying to keep the King's seat warm before he eventually returns and obliterates them all with a snap of his fingers Thanos style. Except may be a zoning Rahul there is no batsman today who can toy with bowlers as nonchalantly as Smithy. Distressing times, cricket has become meaningless after his departure. It isn't fair, CA has no *ing right to * with destiny....Smith is born to rule lesser mortals, not stay away from international cricket and waste his time. How would it have been for Da Vinci to walk away from his work at the peak of his powers, or Federer taking a sabbatical in 2005 end? How can the mofos do this to him? Hate the morally outraged fakers, hate Saffer hypocrites, hate CA, hate ICC, hate the cricketing world that did this to him. An offence that deserved 1-2 match ban needlessly prolonged to 12 months torture to allow the rest of the competition time to catch up and side mein also to make an example out of him.... I can only watch and rewatch the highlights :wall: and wait for the return of his majestic presence on the 22 yards next year. 

 

 

 

 

Still have same opinion about Rahul?

Kohli does it for me, nearest thing in attitude and one man dominance  of bowlers I seen since King Viv 

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3 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Still have same opinion about Rahul?

Kohli does it for me, nearest thing in attitude and one man dominance  of bowlers I seen since King Viv 

I will give Rahul a few more matches. Kohli was mediocre before 2014-15 Australia, look how it's turned out. 

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Just now, Gollum said:

I will give Rahul a few more matches. Kohli was mediocre before 2014-15 Australia, look how it's turned out. 

He is an Asia play through the non moving line flash Harry like the rest of them. 

Kohli learnt his lesson , found out what he did wrong and has rectified it , plays like a great, acts like a great and when the going gets tough he gets going 

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1 hour ago, Tattieboy said:

He is an Asia play through the non moving line flash Harry like the rest of them. 

Kohli learnt his lesson , found out what he did wrong and has rectified it , plays like a great, acts like a great and when the going gets tough he gets going 

You saw the Ind-Aus 2017 series?

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Steve Smith tops ICC Test batting rankings despite not playing a match since March

 

:aha::dance::partyall::yay::two_thumbs_up:

 

King gets back what is rightfully his. All external factors may conspire to steal from him but truth shall prevail. 

 

Kohli, Root, Kane are wonderful batsmen but there was never a Big Four...it has always been Big One. 

 

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On 8/3/2018 at 11:28 PM, Gollum said:

You saw the Ind-Aus 2017 series?

I knew you would bring that example. Kohli failed then, but he aced Smith in SA series. 3 matches, 142 runs at average of 23 that too on batting friendly pitches.

 

Compare that to Kohli's 300+ runs on those pitches. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

I knew you would bring that example. Kohli failed then, but he aced Smith in SA series. 3 matches, 142 runs at average of 23 that too on batting friendly pitches.

 

Compare that to Kohli's 300+ runs on those pitches. 

 

 

Smith didn't play the whole SA series, besides he was mentally off his game in the 3rd test after that sandpaper saga. For all we know he may have scored 300 runs in the last 3 innings with a clear frame of mind. 

 

Kohli failed miserably in Cape Town, granted he played well on a non typical Centurion track but again in Jo'berg neither of his innings would make top 4 of the match. In 2014 Baby Smith had a match winning 100 and another big contribution (84+36*) in the decider. Besides Smith owns Kohli in India, Aus, Eng, NZ, WI and roughly equal in Lanka and Bangladesh. This is a no contest really in tests. May be in ODIs there can be a comparison but I would take a WC QF-SF-F hero over a serial choker who averages <15 at <60 SR in 5 WC KO matches. Only in T20s dos Kohli have a decisive edge, he is GOAT in that format I'll give you that. 

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3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Smith didn't play the whole SA series, besides he was mentally off his game in the 3rd test after that sandpaper saga. For all we know he may have scored 300 runs in the last 3 innings with a clear frame of mind. 

 

Kohli failed miserably in Cape Town, granted he played well on a non typical Centurion track but again in Jo'berg neither of his innings would make top 4 of the match. In 2014 Baby Smith had a match winning 100 and another big contribution (84+36*) in the decider. Besides Smith owns Kohli in India, Aus, Eng, NZ, WI and roughly equal in Lanka and Bangladesh. This is a no contest really in tests. May be in ODIs there can be a comparison but I would take a WC QF-SF-F hero over a serial choker who averages <15 at <60 SR in 5 WC KO matches. Only in T20s dos Kohli have a decisive edge, he is GOAT in that format I'll give you that. 

Both are closer in Aus. Kohli didn't face Indian bowling on those pitches. They are actually closer in Aus, WI. Smith is better in England, NZ, India and Kohli better in SA, SL so far. Gap isn't as wide as numbers may suggest.

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5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Both are closer in Aus. Kohli didn't face Indian bowling on those pitches. They are actually closer in Aus, WI. Smith is better in England, NZ, India and Kohli better in SA, SL so far. Gap isn't as wide as numbers may suggest.

OK I will agree that in Aus both are close and Kohli is better in SA. 

 

Smith is better in India, NZ, England.

 

Smith averages 142 in WI, Kohli averages a pitiful 36 boosted by 1 200, remaining 8 innings he scored only 120 runs. Even in 2016 apart from that 200 Kohli  got low scores.

 

In Lanka both are equal, 43 vs 41 not a big difference....also Smith played on tougher pitches with a failing team there. Kohli has bullied Lanka at home but been underwhelming in Lanka. Both need to improve there. 

 

Smith averages 30 in Bangladesh, Kohli 14...but who cares about BD? 

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2 minutes ago, bahubali said:

Kohli is biletral king nothing special in wc and first to start the procession when chips are down. 

Let's wait till the WC is over to proclaim that

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:hatsoff:

 

Wish the original version of this thread on similar lines that was  opened during Ashes 2012 when a young legspinner was being called as a hack by everyone else was still around

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17 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Let's wait till the WC is over to proclaim that

As if he is playing his first wc. It's already his 3rd wc and he is fully grown ass man so cut some slack till now in wc or important knockout he is complete dud.

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Steve Smith cannot be compared to Kohli.  Two players can only be compared when they have comparable records.  Gilchrist was not better than Tendulkar just because he scored a 100 in a WC final.  Smith averages 42 in ODIs.  Kohli 59. 

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2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Steve Smith cannot be compared to Kohli.  Two players can only be compared when they have comparable records.  Gilchrist was not better than Tendulkar just because he scored a 100 in a WC final.  Smith averages 42 in ODIs.  Kohli 59. 

But tendulkar scored truckloads of runs in World Cup too. So Gilchrist nowhere near Sachin.

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17 minutes ago, bahubali said:

As if he is playing his first wc. It's already his 3rd wc and he is fully grown ass man so cut some slack till now in wc or important knockout he is complete dud.

I have given him this complete WC to showcase and fortify his greatness in this format. 

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5 minutes ago, Anoop K said:

By that logic Rohit Sharma is better.  Two match winning hundreds in WC.  One of them came in knockout and Bangladesh of 2015 was good. 

Absolutely Rohit is better than Kohli in wc so far.

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15 minutes ago, Pollack said:

But tendulkar scored truckloads of runs in World Cup too. So Gilchrist nowhere near Sachin.

Same Smith's record is no where near Kohli, so, he cant be better than Kohli just because he scored more runs than Kohli in WC.

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Smith has better record for now in WC, but overall Kohli is a better player. Its just by chance it has happened that Kohli hasn't scored in some of the main games. He does have a hundred in a game against Pakistan in 2015 World Cup btw.

 

Nothing to compare the overall batsmen, Kohli is miles ahead as a bat over Smith in ODI cricket just like Smith is the same over Kohli in Test Cricket, at least until last year he was until he got banned. We will see how Smith does in his comeback from here on.

 

Kohli does need to do well this World Cup but won't change the fact that he is the best ODI batsmen. 

 

Sampras never won French Open either, still regarded one of the best best of his times. Kohli anyway is too good a player to fail this many times. He will eventually average pretty high in World Cup.

 

As much as there is pressure on Kohli in this World Cup, he faced extreme pressure in England where he just averaged 15 runs before this tour. That too me was more pressure for him  than some of these World Cup games which people make big deal of that he could not perform in a World Cup game etc. Facing in England this time was high pressure because he had to face Anderson and co again for 5 test matches in a row, something which was on his mind big time and something where he failed miserably during his previous tour and hence had a lot to prove and he conquered that. These first few World Cup games have far less pressure, as not every game in the World Cup is a World Cup final, so when people say World Cup pressure, well I don't think its that much in first 4-5 games as much it will be closer to the playoffs. Kohli will come out trump. 

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'pressure' is a context based matter. Just because all these players are playing in a world cup doesn't mean every body is having the same amount of pressure. For me the man with the most pressure in this world cup is Virat being the captain of a nation of   crores of  cricket crazy emotional  people  &  him carrying the  'best batsman' tag as of now. Next in line comes Amla the senior most batsman  of a team that has never won the world cup and carries the tag of 'chokers' . And we are seeing as to what this much pressure of expectations is  doing to him . then comes  Root & Kane in that order. Both represents nations that has never won a world cup. Root a bit more because of high expectations placed on this no: 1 ranked team. Kane is the captain. last only  is Smith.  Aussies has won it 5 times, he is not the captain, can play with a nothing to lose attitude.Smith's situation is that of a 'born  evil  criminal  trying to do some thing good  for the society'.  

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It is not pressure. Steve SMith is closer to Dhoni than Kohli. Dodgy technique. But excellent survival skills. Smith has more range of shots though. His survival skills enable him to weather the tough part and cash in on when things get easier. Kohli is an out and out a stroke player where he is likely to play some false shots early on. Although he very rarely does he still does. Especially in the off stump channel Smith negotiates a tad better than Kohli. He doesn't get out edging to slips or keeper as often as Kohli does. Let me give you a little stat

 

Kohli has been dismissed 187 times in the one dayers 44 times caught behind

Smith dismissed 84 times 15 times caught behind

 

This is excluding how many times they got caught in the slips. 

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18 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Same Smith's record is no where near Kohli, so, he cant be better than Kohli just because he scored more runs than Kohli in WC.

Sachin not only scored in bilaterals but also in World Cups even if he failed in the finals of World Cup. So he is way ahead of Gilchrist who scored a crucial century in WC. 

Same is not the case with Kohli. He has been underwhelming except bilaterals and t20WC. Hopefully he opens a new chapter in his career this WC and be invincible.

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Without going by stats, Smith is a fighter. If he decides, he can survive and bat out his team off the wall. He has far greater survival technique then Kohli.

 

You can bank on him in important games.

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15 minutes ago, mishra said:

Without going by stats, Smith is a fighter. If he decides, he can survive and bat out his team off the wall. He has far greater survival technique then Kohli.

 

You can bank on him in important games.

Agree on Smith but kohli himself has great fighting spirit even when he looks troubled ,the England tour last year was enough to convince me that kohli apart from being a stroke maker is also a great fighter and has solid survival skills 

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Problem with Kohli is the casual approach that some Times creeps into his game early on,take for example yesterday,or his tendancy for that matter,guy gets out either playing expensive drive or nudging towards 3rd man, especially when it's moving, Kohli needs to watch tendu's 241 Sydney where he never played cover drive, just because that was his bane through out the tour,you can't Just nudge to 3rd man Like Gambhir when Ball is swinging.

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2 hours ago, nevada said:

Not even a Maniac thread could jinx Smith. The guy is truly special.

I opened a thread looooong time back when he was still a leg spinner who could bat and people here were calling him a hack saying the word should not be used for him :--D

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Smith is the best Test batsman of his era by some distance. In ODIs he has the ability to play well in clutch matches, but overall I would not put him even in the top 10 ODI batsmen currently around today - there are others with higher avg, others with higher SR, and some with both. And in T20s, the less said the better.

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like I said before, South Africa test series 2018 sussed out warner's and smith's deficiencies. Warner, don't go round the wicket and keep it tight on off stump. Smith, never feed him anything on middle or leg, just keep it on off and he will get bogged down. Steve Smith's lucky Kohli is a Unicef ambassador and gave him a charity over from Kedhar Jhadav today as welcome back gesture, or his innings would have looked even more pathetic. 

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2 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

like I said before, South Africa test series 2018 sussed out warner's and smith's deficiencies. Warner, don't go round the wicket and keep it tight on off stump. Smith, never feed him anything on middle or leg, just keep it on off and he will get bogged down. Steve Smith's lucky Kohli is a Unicef ambassador and gave him a charity over from Kedhar Jhadav today as welcome back gesture, or his innings would have looked even more pathetic. 

Maybe VK is trying to hype up his competitors so that he can look like the best of an "extraordinary" bunch.

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2 hours ago, putrevus said:

What happened to greatest batsman , chasing 320 plus on any pitch is not easy. This was flat pitch yet our greatest batsman could not score run a ball.


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You're talking as if he scored 1(13) while chasing 320+ in a Knockout game :p:.

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1 minute ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

You're talking as if he scored 1(13) while chasing 320+ in a Knockout game :p:.

Smith's innings was alright :) but his 70-odd in the first match was far better even if the SR was lower. here, if he or khawaja had fallen 5-10 overs earlier, the game may have gone closer since Maddest Max, Stoinis and Carey were constrained by having to force the pace too much.

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