SK_IH Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, chewy said: Babar “who the *?” Adam, and epic choker Amala (second to only ABD) Link to comment
Shunya Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Agree. Smith is really on top of the game right now. Best Test player around by far. What a turnaround for a player who was actually picked as a bowler. Legendary transformation. Smith won his team an ODI WC with batting as well. Virat can surpass him once he outperforms everyone in the next WC with match winning innings in a Final. Till then, have to give my hat to Smith. He has delivered for his team in all crucial moments. True no. 1 GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
PSB_Zone Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Test Smith>root>kohli>warner>williamson One day Kohli>warner>smith>root>williamson T20 Kohli>warner>smith>root>williamson Overall Smith>Kohli>WARNER>Root>williamson Its pity the ABD is not regularly playing all formats other wise he would hv made the mockery of abv comparisons. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: Kohli easily best white ball player . Maybe best ever these runs smith just scored don’t count as home conditions . When ever Indian scores runs or take wickets in India it’s dismissed . So I dismiss these runs with same ease Agree with this premise- especially since Aussie wickets are quite flat too, anyone making runs in aus conditions can not sit on a high horse relative to batsmen who regularly play Indian conditions Link to comment
Vilander Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Smith defeated Kohli in India it was not even a contest. He is the best atm unless kohli does something similar in Aus and in return tour to India. Gollum 1 Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 He's almost certain to have the 2nd highest peak rating ever in the official rankings after this game. Brettcat 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Because of the fact that test carries the most weightage , Smith is the best.Having said that ABDV,Virat,Root &Amla are not far behind when all formats together are taken into account. One thing that goes against Smith is that he is one of the least pleasing to the eyes. Edited November 25, 2017 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 55 minutes ago, mancalledsting said: Agree with this premise- especially since Aussie wickets are quite flat too, anyone making runs in aus conditions can not sit on a high horse relative to batsmen who regularly play Indian conditions But Smith scored more 100s in this year's India series than the entire Indian team combined. Kohli proved that he sucks not just only against swing, he is equally useless when the ball spins sharply (remember 2015 SA series also). Same Smith has scored runs everywhere, in England what he scored in 1 series, Kohli will take another 2 tours to come anywhere close to that tally. GoldenSun and wanted_desi 1 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Quite easily in tests. And to think i thought of him as an inferior version of Cameron White back in 2010 lol. Ponting after playing a 100 tests or so was averaging 60 before he declined sharply. Let's see how far Smith can go. His hand eye coordination will start declining in a couple of years and he doesn't really have a great technique to fall back on so i expect it to come back to around 50ish. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: ponting used to push at the ball and bowlers exploited that ,also his big front foot stride slowed him down with age,smith doesnt push at the ball and plays off the back foot. Yes and that would explain his failures in certain conditions/bowling attacks. But on true pitches, Ponting was a nightmare for fast bowlers. Easily the best player of short stuff at genuine pace. Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 21 hours ago, Gollum said: But Smith scored more 100s in this year's India series than the entire Indian team combined. Kohli proved that he sucks not just only against swing, he is equally useless when the ball spins sharply (remember 2015 SA series also). Same Smith has scored runs everywhere, in England what he scored in 1 series, Kohli will take another 2 tours to come anywhere close to that tally. Smith visited when Shami was already injured and ashwin + Kohli were a couple of games away from injury at the end of a gruelling home season. Aswhin has never been the same bowler since that series earlier this year Aus were totally written off and underestimated (see bhaji's 4-0 prediction). Smiths 100s (one of them was gifted by our crap field fielding and the other was on a Patta in Ranchi. Third hundred I admit was good but that did come when wicket was at its best in the match. Our batsmen didn't exceed Steve smith? our most inform batsmen Lokesh Rahul was battling injury throughout the series and we only tend to field five batsmen (including Rahane who doesn't even thrive in Indian conditions)- in short we let him off lightly as we did the aussies- only way that crap team against spin could be competitive in India To all our enthusiastic posters who think answer for all life's questions originate from Sri Statsguru Sahib please dont get a hard on about smiths most recent stats against India in India as the be and end all that he's excellent against spin- when you haven't considered his form on turning wickets in Bangladesh against an inferior, although fresher (no long home season) attack Edited November 26, 2017 by mancalledsting express bowling and adi B 2 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 It's not even a debate and hasn't been for a long time.Could even say he is a better batsman on turning tracks than Kohli and green pitches than Root.He is that good. He is reaching the levels of Sachin and Lara ATM. The only question is whether he can sustain those levels or could drop down like Ponting to the 2nd tier. mancalledsting 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, mancalledsting said: Agree with this premise- especially since Aussie wickets are quite flat too, anyone making runs in aus conditions can not sit on a high horse relative to batsmen who regularly play Indian conditions This is what happened last time on turners in India Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s SPD Smith (AUS) 4 8 1 499 178* 71.28 1014 49.21 3 0 0 52 0 CA Pujara (INDIA) 4 7 0 405 202 57.85 1049 38.60 1 2 1 38 0 KL Rahul (INDIA) 4 7 1 393 90 65.50 698 56.30 0 6 0 51 2 MT Renshaw (AUS) 4 8 0 232 68 29.00 606 38.28 0 2 0 31 2 AM Rahane (INDIA) 4 7 1 198 52 33.00 416 47.59 0 1 0 23 3 PSP Handscomb (AUS) 4 8 1 198 72* 28.28 492 40.24 0 1 0 23 0 MS Wade (AUS) 4 8 2 196 57 32.66 461 42.51 0 1 1 21 2 DA Warner (AUS) 4 8 0 193 56 24.12 309 62.45 0 1 0 25 2 WP Saha (INDIA) 4 6 1 174 117 34.80 401 43.39 1 0 1 13 2 GJ Maxwell (AUS) 2 4 0 159 104 39.75 277 57.40 1 0 0 16 3 SE Marsh (AUS) 4 8 0 151 66 18.87 517 29.20 0 2 1 15 0 RA Jadeja (INDIA) 4 6 1 127 63 25.40 203 62.56 0 2 0 9 6 MA Starc (AUS) 2 4 0 118 61 29.50 152 77.63 0 1 0 10 6 M Vijay (INDIA) 3 5 0 113 82 22.60 296 38.17 0 1 0 13 1 KK Nair (INDIA) 3 4 0 54 26 13.50 103 52.42 0 0 1 6 0 R Ashwin (INDIA) 4 6 0 53 30 8.83 103 51.45 0 0 0 7 0 MR Marsh (AUS) 2 4 0 48 31 12.00 121 39.66 0 0 1 7 1 V Kohli (INDIA) 3 5 0 46 15 9.20 104 44.23 0 0 1 4 0 Smith scored 3 100s and all other batsmen managed 3. He averaged 71, while Kohli averaged 9. This is while facing much superior bowling attack for these conditions. When they batted on flat pitches of Australia Most runs Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s SPD Smith (AUS) 4 8 2 769 192 128.16 1135 67.75 4 2 0 83 5 V Kohli (INDIA) 4 8 0 692 169 86.50 1093 63.31 4 1 0 77 1 M Vijay (INDIA) 4 8 0 482 144 60.25 905 53.25 1 4 1 53 6 DA Warner (AUS) 4 8 0 427 145 53.37 536 79.66 3 0 1 58 1 CJL Rogers (AUS) 4 8 0 417 95 52.12 689 60.52 0 6 0 56 0 AM Rahane (INDIA) 4 8 1 399 147 57.00 628 63.53 1 2 1 52 0 SE Marsh (AUS) 3 6 0 254 99 42.33 505 50.29 0 2 0 32 3 SR Watson (AUS) 4 8 0 238 81 29.75 479 49.68 0 2 1 26 1 CA Pujara (INDIA) 3 6 0 201 73 33.50 471 42.67 0 1 0 26 0 2015 Ashes in England Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s SPD Smith (AUS) 5 9 0 508 215 56.44 808 62.87 2 1 0 66 3 CJL Rogers (AUS) 5 9 1 480 173 60.00 826 58.11 1 3 1 74 1 JE Root (ENG) 5 9 1 460 134 57.50 686 67.05 2 2 0 64 3 DA Warner (AUS) 5 9 0 418 85 46.44 561 74.50 0 5 1 59 3 AN Cook (ENG) 5 9 0 330 96 36.66 732 45.08 0 2 0 46 0 MM Ali (ENG) 5 8 0 293 77 36.62 410 71.46 0 2 1 48 3 IR Bell (ENG) 5 9 1 215 65* 26.87 382 56.28 0 3 0 36 0 BA Stokes (ENG) 5 8 0 201 87 25.12 309 65.04 0 2 3 31 3 AC Voges (AUS) 5 8 1 201 76 28.71 425 47.29 0 2 1 31 0 500+ runs in England facing Broad and Anderson 2013 Ashes in Australia Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DA Warner (AUS) 5 10 1 523 124 58.11 703 74.39 2 2 0 67 5 BJ Haddin (AUS) 5 8 0 493 118 61.62 689 71.55 1 5 0 53 9 CJL Rogers (AUS) 5 10 0 463 119 46.30 945 48.99 2 3 0 59 0 MJ Clarke (AUS) 5 10 1 363 148 40.33 634 57.25 2 0 0 38 1 SR Watson (AUS) 5 10 1 345 103 38.33 529 65.21 1 2 1 45 6 SPD Smith (AUS) 5 9 1 327 115 40.87 638 51.25 2 0 1 42 3 KP Pietersen (ENG) 5 10 0 294 71 29.40 591 49.74 0 2 0 25 5 MA Carberry (ENG) 5 10 0 281 60 28.10 695 40.43 0 1 2 45 1 BA Stokes (ENG) 4 8 0 279 120 34.87 549 50.81 1 0 0 35 4 AN Cook (ENG) 5 10 0 246 72 24.60 539 45.64 0 3 1 27 0 IR Bell (ENG) 5 10 1 235 72* 26.11 525 44.76 0 2 1 24 6 JE Root (ENG) 4 8 1 192 87 27.42 577 33.27 0 1 0 19 0 2015 NZ tour to Aus Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DA Warner (AUS) 3 6 0 592 253 98.66 693 85.42 3 0 0 60 5 KS Williamson (NZ) 3 6 1 428 166 85.60 642 66.66 2 1 0 59 0 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 3 6 1 405 290 81.00 520 77.88 1 0 1 59 0 UT Khawaja (AUS) 2 3 1 304 174 152.00 436 69.72 2 0 0 27 4 AC Voges (AUS) 3 6 2 285 119 71.25 538 52.97 1 1 0 39 0 SPD Smith (AUS) 3 6 0 281 138 46.83 471 59.66 1 1 0 36 0 JA Burns (AUS) 3 6 0 265 129 44.16 378 70.10 1 1 1 35 4 TWM Latham (NZ) 3 6 0 187 50 31.16 429 43.58 0 1 0 22 1 BB McCullum (NZ) 3 5 0 137 80 27.40 167 82.03 0 1 0 18 2 PM Nevill (AUS) 3 4 0 130 66 32.50 241 53.94 0 1 0 16 0 2016 Aus tour to NZ AC Voges (AUS) 2 3 1 309 239 154.50 510 60.58 1 1 0 39 3 SPD Smith (AUS) 2 3 1 262 138 131.00 399 65.66 1 2 0 31 2 JA Burns (AUS) 2 3 0 235 170 78.33 487 48.25 1 1 1 29 0 UT Khawaja (AUS) 2 3 0 209 140 69.66 322 64.90 1 0 0 33 0 BB McCullum (NZ) 2 4 0 180 145 45.00 144 125.00 1 0 1 25 7 CJ Anderson (NZ) 2 4 0 150 72 37.50 323 46.43 0 1 1 19 4 KS Williamson (NZ) 2 4 0 142 97 35.50 341 41.64 0 1 0 15 0 BJ Watling (NZ) 2 4 0 131 58 32.75 218 60.09 0 1 0 17 0 TWM Latham (NZ) 2 4 0 112 63 28.00 281 39.85 0 1 0 11 0 Out of fab 4, only Williamson outperformed him once and even in that series his performance was good if not as good as Kane's. Home and away, flat pitch, turners, swing whatever be the condition, Smith has been showing who is superior to all of them. Shunya, Gollum, Stan AF and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: It's not even a debate and hasn't been for a long time.Could even say he is a better batsman on turning tracks than Kohli and green pitches than Root.He is that good. He is reaching the levels of Sachin and Lara ATM. The only question is whether he can sustain those levels or could drop down like Ponting to the 2nd tier. Kohli has hardly set any benchmark on turners. He has scored 155 runs in 8 turners India has played. 2nd and 3rd test of 2012 Eng series, SA tour of India and 3 matches of Australia series. Smith has scored more than that in 1 match alone probably. Gollum, BeautifulGame and Stan AF 1 2 Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Trichromatic said: Kohli has hardly set any benchmark on turners. He has scored 155 runs in 8 turners India has played. 2nd and 3rd test of 2012 Eng series, SA tour of India and 3 matches of Australia series. Smith has scored more than that in 1 match alone probably. Year, can you update me on how this ATG against spin bowling in spin conditions did against Bangladesh earlier this year? Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Yes and that would explain his failures in certain conditions/bowling attacks. But on true pitches, Ponting was a nightmare for fast bowlers. Easily the best player of short stuff at genuine pace.I always felt Gilchrist and Hussey were the best players of short pitch bowling in recent memory.Even better than Ponting who had occasion struggles. Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 @mancalledsting If you apply such harsh criteria for every player (not just this, I saw your post about Cook in another thread), even SRT and Viv will come out looking like frauds, Kohli will have zero test runs to his name. How can you downplay his exploits in a series just because we didn't play to our usually high level? Will you delete our batting records of the 2003-04 Aus tour because Mcgrath and Warne didn't play? Will you delete Sachin's 1998 Aus home series runs because Mcgrath didn't come and Warne had sickness throughout the tour. Same with SRT's 90s WI home series because Ambrose didn't come. Worst casualty will be Gavaskar who's legacy against WI will be tarnished. You can't downplay every single achievement by these foreign players to make our players look great, that is the only point I want to make. GoldenSun and King Tendulkar 1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, mancalledsting said: Year, can you update me on how this ATG against spin bowling in spin conditions did against Bangladesh earlier this year? Even peak Sachin had stinkers in the 90s, eg NZ home series 1995 and a few tests in Zimbabwe. Now by your logic 90s Sachin wasn't really that good, right? King Tendulkar 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 33 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Kohli has hardly set any benchmark on turners. He has scored 155 runs in 8 turners India has played. 2nd and 3rd test of 2012 Eng series, SA tour of India and 3 matches of Australia series. Smith has scored more than that in 1 match alone probably. Thanks for reminding me about Eng 2012 series. I forgot how bad Kohli looked in the turners and suddenly on a dead pitch in Nagpur he came alive to score a 100. Horrid player against swing, horrible on turners but decent on seaming tracks. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Players like Smith are necessary for world cricket. Despite more talent, ABDV never did full justice to his talent. Smith has both talent and application. Also he is mentally stronger. So he is on another level compared to others. Stan AF 1 Link to comment
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