Mini civil war in pakistan city of Islamabad !!!

[velu]

 

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ISLAMABAD: A policeman was martyred and over 190 people including police officers were injured as forces on Saturday moved to disperse a sit-in that has virtually paralysed the country´s capital for weeks.

Smoke and tear gas filled the air as the roughly 8,500 elite police and paramilitary troops in riot gear were also seen throwing rocks and using slingshots in the ongoing bid to clear 2,000 or so hardline demonstrators which began soon after dawn.

AFP reporters at the site said more protesters were arriving, though it was difficult to tell how many. Trees had been cut down to block roads, and protesters were burning tyres.

Pakistan´s media regulator barred local TV channels from broadcasting live images from the scene as violence intensified.

 

 

 

https://www.geo.tv/latest/169213-islamabad-operation-authorities-use-tear-gas-to-disperse-protesters-detain-dozens

 

Looks like there is a war brewing between moderately religious  state vs ultra religious people !!!

Its spreading to lahore as well !!!

 

[chewy]

saw in news (non-pak channels, lol), there is country-wide block on Pak mainstream media and social media (facebook, twitter, etc.)

it's the "blasphemy" war

[G_B_]

what exactly are these people protesting about?

[sandeep]

So basically Pakistani police and Army personnel clash with civilians leading to injuries, death, damage to public property.   By all accounts, things like tear gas, rubber bullets - which are known to be lethal if they hit the wrong body part - were used.  

 

One question for the Pakistanis who have so much love for the Azaadi loving Kashmiris in the Valley - Why shouldn't these innocent muslims want Azaadi from their occupiers who are clearly commiting human rights violations - in the ironically named Islamabad?

 

@KeyboardWarrior @cric_fan @the don @Shaz1

[sandeep]

48 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

what exactly are these people protesting about?

Apparently, these "lovers of the Prophet" - no joke, that's what they call themselves - are rioting because of some wording of an obscure clause in the "constitution"  (also known as the PakMil toilet paper) that potentially allows a non orthodox muslim to potentially take an oath of office in a way that challenges the "finality of the prophet".   Basically, the same sort of illogical morons who are protesting Padmavati, but with more guns and beards.  

 

Realistically, its a charade orchestrated by the PakMil to create political dissension and weaken the existing political parties (primarily PML(N)), so that none of the 'players' can be strong enough to even dream of questioning the status quo in Pakistan i.e. elections and Kursi in name, actual power limited to a minimum, while the Army runs the country and calls all the shots.  They basically want to preserve the mythical image that none of the parties can actually govern with any sort of competence, its only the army that is reliable in their pure land.   

Edited November 26, 2017 by sandeep

[chewy]

I hope China continues to pour billions into Pakistan, full-proof investment  

[G_B_]

18 hours ago, sandeep said:

Apparently, these "lovers of the Prophet" - no joke, that's what they call themselves - are rioting because of some wording of an obscure clause in the "constitution"  (also known as the PakMil toilet paper) that potentially allows a non orthodox muslim to potentially take an oath of office in a way that challenges the "finality of the prophet".   Basically, the same sort of illogical morons who are protesting Padmavati, but with more guns and beards.  

 

Realistically, its a charade orchestrated by the PakMil to create political dissension and weaken the existing political parties (primarily PML(N)), so that none of the 'players' can be strong enough to even dream of questioning the status quo in Pakistan i.e. elections and Kursi in name, actual power limited to a minimum, while the Army runs the country and calls all the shots.  They basically want to preserve the mythical image that none of the parties can actually govern with any sort of competence, its only the army that is reliable in their pure land.   

I am sort of hoping Bilawal Bhutto becomes PM..... 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

6 people died protesting about some obscure oath change which will question the finality of the prophet, whatever that means!  Army brokered peace, while law and order of the government failed. These people can't invent a damn thing in life, worry about such things.

Edited November 27, 2017 by coffee_rules

[zen]

One of the most useless countries. Does not deserve any attention / importance except for comic relief 

[dial_100]

Oh wait. And no Pakistani poster wanna update on this right? National ka Pakistan, Coke Studio ka pakistan and what not. 

 

2 nation theory or not, the best thing happened to india was when these guys separated. Such useless people. I really feel for all those innocent civilians who got sucked into this and are now paying price for being citizens of that country.

[Texy]

Zia ul Haq really screwed up that country...now they're so obsessed with Islam that they have started to fight themselves for idiotic reasons. 

[sandeep]

Check this out - PakMil openly giving money to the "protestors" who wreaked havoc for a week.   And then the ignorant and brainwashed greenbros say that the government is full of incompetent politicians, and "only the army" has the capacity to manage the country.   

 

This is how mafia makes sure that its reign of terror continues unchecked.   Any elected politician that tries to wield actual power, is either exiled, assasinated, or pushed out of office for "corruption".    What's surprising is that in spite of the same game being played over and over again, with so much evidence - the greenbro "awaam" still gets brainwashed and doesn't realize how its being ripped off.  All that has to be said is some anti-India nonsense, and all is forgiven.  

 

@KeyboardWarrior @Shaz1 @cric_fan @Alam_dar 

 

 

[gattaca]

@sandeep that's like buying their people and making them fight themselves. I didn't understand when one of the guys says something like that and army man pats on his cheek. The Pakistanis don't know what they want. Their whole system is messed up.

[chewy]

9 hours ago, sandeep said:

Check this out - PakMil openly giving money to the "protestors" who wreaked havoc for a week.   And then the ignorant and brainwashed greenbros say that the government is full of incompetent politicians, and "only the army" has the capacity to manage the country.   

 

This is how mafia makes sure that its reign of terror continues unchecked.   Any elected politician that tries to wield actual power, is either exiled, assasinated, or pushed out of office for "corruption".    What's surprising is that in spite of the same game being played over and over again, with so much evidence - the greenbro "awaam" still gets brainwashed and doesn't realize how its being ripped off.  All that has to be said is some anti-India nonsense, and all is forgiven.  

 

@KeyboardWarrior @Shaz1 @cric_fan @Alam_dar 

 

 

So kill policemen and get paid...all in a good days work for teorrrists also known as Pak army, pretty much same tactics used in Kashmir, lol now being used on their own people 

[Alam_dar]

On 26/11/2017 at 2:35 PM, G_B_ said:

what exactly are these people protesting about?2

The new Form changed the words "I swear..." to "I believe..." (i.e. I swear that Muhammad was the last prophet ...)

Religious Extremists protested that by removing "I swear" it does not remain as "Affidavit"

Nevertheless, they could not prove this in the court as "signing" the Form is enough and binding for "Affidavit", and not the swearing.

 

Since, it was a "non issue" which those extremists were not able to prove in the court, therefore they went for the blockage of the roads and they demanded the resignation of the minister. 

 

Who are the culprits?

 

(1) Mullahs

 

(2) Gov, which is weak and didn't take the decisive action at the beginning.

 

(3) Pak Army: ... Government started the operation. Police was unable to control them. Government asked the Army to assist in the operation (according to the law), but Army Chief told the gov to stop the operation and go back to the negotiation table. 

Army is in no way in position to tell the gov what to do and what not to do. They have to obey the government. 

 

(4) Pak People:

There were huge number of Pak people (Muslims) who supported the Mullahs on this "non issue". 

Religion has turned the people into zombies. 

 

Minorities in Pakistan are at mercy of these extremists now ever than before after the government has lost it's writ. Hopeless situation sadly. 

 

Please also note that turning "non issues" into the "national crises" by religious extremists is not limited to only Muslims and Pakistan.

 

In politics such things (i.e. turning non issues into national crises) could also happen in India too in name of love jihad etc. 

Edited November 28, 2017 by Alam_dar

[sandeep]

3 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Please also note that turning "non issues" into the "national crises" by religious extremists is not limited to only Muslims and Pakistan.

 

In politics such things (i.e. turning non issues into national crises) could also happen in India too in name of love jihad etc. 

While I agree that India has its share of morons, religious or otherwise - It is totally wrong to draw false equivalences to what is happening in Pakistan.   Even taking the example you gave of "love jihad", cabinet ministers aren't forced to resign, or cities aren't brought to a stand-still, by the lunatic fringe in India.   It is like comparing a nail scratch to a gun-shot wound.

 

This is not to say that lunatic fringe does not exist on India, especially religion based.  But it is unacceptable to claim that non issues are turned into "national crises" in India - the last time this happened in India, was in 1993.  

[sandeep]

5 hours ago, chewy said:

So kill policemen and get paid...all in a good days work for teorrrists also known as Pak army, pretty much same tactics used in Kashmir, lol now being used on their own people 

Organizations will inevitably use the means and tactics that they have been - whether that is unethical corporations trying to make profit, or "national" armies out to maintain their grip on power.   

 

This is why the only way for India-Pakistan peace is to either make a deal with the army, or get a revolution in Pakistan that finally sends the army boys back to their barracks, out of their illegal and criminal sway that they hold over the entire country.  The latter is not happening in our reality-based universe.   And the former is not in the interests of the army - any "deal" made with India, is going to be 'blamed' on the Pakistani politicians and promptly violated by the naPaak army when it sees fit - for eg. Kargil intrusion violated the Lahore declaration.   

 

Its funny how the likes of @KeyboardWarrior and other patriotic Pakistanis are nowhere to be found, when it comes to defending their brave army's shenanigans. 

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Organizations will inevitably use the means and tactics that they have been - whether that is unethical corporations trying to make profit, or "national" armies out to maintain their grip on power.   

 

This is why the only way for India-Pakistan peace is to either make a deal with the army, or get a revolution in Pakistan that finally sends the army boys back to their barracks, out of their illegal and criminal sway that they hold over the entire country.  The latter is not happening in our reality-based universe.   And the former is not in the interests of the army - any "deal" made with India, is going to be 'blamed' on the Pakistani politicians and promptly violated by the naPaak army when it sees fit - for eg. Kargil intrusion violated the Lahore declaration.   

 

Its funny how the likes of @KeyboardWarrior and other patriotic Pakistanis are nowhere to be found, when it comes to defending their brave army's shenanigans. 

I am really afraid Pak Army is not going to work any more. 

 

Politicians were weak, but our region lost the last chance when Musharraf was there. After that Army has become weaker and gone to that point where it is not able to make any deal.

 

Today the strongest groups in Pakistan are Mullahs , Media which again have Mullahs there, although these Mullahs in the Media pose themselves as Moderate Muslims, but they are more dangerous than the Mullahs themselves. Then Judiciary also playing politics, mostly facilitating the Muallahs interests, like against Musharraf in 2007. 

 

At moment, it is judiciary which is releasing Hafiz Saeed again and again and government could do nothing. Even army could do less if there is any Mullah Judge sitting in the high court passing the judgement. If army goes against it, then whole mullah media is there to do propaganda against the army. 

 

Edited November 28, 2017 by Alam_dar

[mishra]

When Modi came to power, a  year down the line Pakistan army was pushed by US, India, China to take action against terrorist as they all had some interest against EVERY terrorist based in Pakistan(China CPEC, India Kashmir, US- Afghanistan)

 

International Support emboldened Nawaz Sharif  its clearly evident by the act of releasing details of a High Level Security meeting Nawaz Sharif's younger brother Shahbaz Sharif (CM of Punjab ) told of ISI  DG" Rizwan Akhtar. "Addressing Gen Akhtar, the younger Sharif complained that whenever action has been taken against certain groups by civilian authorities, the security establishment has worked behind the scenes to set the arrested free,"  - Oct 2016

 

However below are few dots. Who is responsible for what, Only people scheming it, will know.

 

1. China is not ready to take any BS from India. It can arm twist any nation including EU as whole. SO who the hell is India. It kicked India out on the very first noise it made on OBOR/CPEC and hosted Doklam. Why India didn't knew what would be breaking point for China, Or was it more of planned. Dont know

 

2. ISI/Army cant take such BS from civilian Government specially Nawaz Sharif. But coup isnt possible. So they removed him within legal framework. ISI/Army Happy now. But who is hidden hand supporting army. Dont know

 

3. ISI/Army cant give away China control over Gwador just because Chinese have a paper signed by Pakistani premier so they need some serious firepower terrorist groups to attack Chinese OBOR, i.e. keep the route on their mercy. So we have Hafeez and Co released and new brand created. Who is Scheming?

 

4. Hafeez release works for India too, It can continue crushing terrorist in Kashmir and may have International justification to do more surgical strikes.

 

5. Pakistani ISI/army gets home brownie points for managing the crisis and may be justification for hike in budget.

[chapetmarunga]

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2017/11/29/tariq-ali/the-crisis-in-pakistan-continues/

 

The issue at hand: 

      They wanted the immediate resignation of the law minister, Zahid Hamid, accusing him of ‘weakening’ the oath taken by Muslim members of parliament (virtually all of them) whereby each swears that the Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet and no Muslim can say otherwise. Hamid had pushed through an amendment changin

Edited November 30, 2017 by chapetmarunga