Virat Kohli or Steven Smith - over all better batsman as of now?

[Jimmy Cliff]

14 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

What would kohli average be if scores 350 not out in this innings . Does anyone know ?

55.46.

[Shunya]

21 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

What would kohli average be if scores 350 not out in this innings . Does anyone know ?

Dunno about average, but we would love to see him score 400+. We are anyhow winning this game, might as well break the unbreakable record.

[BeautifulGame]

On 28/11/2017 at 12:31 AM, King Tendulkar said:

Maradona was mediocre in 86 final . Didn’t do much . But they won and he was sensational in whole tournament so remembered as a great 

Maradona so mediocre that he still set up the winning goal for Burruchaga with a beautiful through ball.

 

If German had won that world cup, Maradona would never have remembered in Argentina like this.

 

 

[King Tendulkar]

29 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Maradona so mediocre that he still set up the winning goal for Burruchaga with a beautiful through ball.

 

If German had won that world cup, Maradona would never have remembered in Argentina like this.

 

 

It was good through ball but had very very quiet game compared to amazing stuff did in rest of tournament. Lucky for maradona has decent back up team to do the job on final and is remembered as maradona World Cup . While Sachin was superb in 2003 and 2011 . In 2011 did not do much in final like maradona and yet we won . Yes in India (icf) loathed as failure for not scoring in final while maradona hero ! 

 

86 Matthaus man marked maradona in final and did good job . But in 90 World Cup matthaus let of leash and was superb in Germany win . 

 

Ps can we say maradona choked in 90 final lol if Indian we would hammer him , say to argies maradona choked would slit your throat 

[BeautifulGame]

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

It was good through ball but had very very quiet game compared to amazing stuff did in rest of tournament. Lucky for maradona has decent back up team to do the job on final and is remembered as maradona World Cup . While Sachin was superb in 2003 and 2011 . In 2011 did not do much in final like maradona and yet we won . Yes in India (icf) loathed as failure for not scoring in final while maradona hero !   

86 Matthaus man marked maradona in final and did good job . But in 90 World Cup matthaus let of leash and was superb in Germany win . 

 

Ps can we say maradona choked in 90 final lol if Indian we would hammer him , say to argies maradona choked would slit your throat 

 

 

That is because of the level of performance of Maradona in 86 though. He was just out of worldly to put it simply

 

 

Maradona single handedly dragged Argentina to the world cup win.I mean Sachin was good in 2011 and great in 2003 but the impact is not even remotely comparable.Not sure there are many either TBH.

 

Socred a great Equalizer against Italy ,world champions , scored both goals in both the QF vs England and Semi vs Belgium and set up up the winner in the final.He basically dragged their attack singlehandedly .

 

Also we wouldn't have called Maradona in 90 final as a choke just like no one calls Richards failure in 83 final a choke.Because they have already done it.

 

The better comparison for Sachin would be Messi.He also similarly helped Argentina into final in 2014 ,yet not considered similar level to Maradona because ,Argentina failed to win.And it wasn't even his fault for Higuain missing easy chances.Buts that how he is judged.And this despite arguably Messi being a better player than Maradona.

 

Sachin is lucky in that regard that he had Dhoni and Gambhir stepping up in the final unlike doing a 'Higuain'.Otherwise he would have been hammered farworse in India for 2011.

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2017 by BeautifulGame

[vvvslaxman]

Smithy finds a way to score runs in all places. Kohli is still getting there. HE will eventually surpass Smithy in every aspect.

[velu]

smith 21 centuries in 106 innings , kohli 20 in 105 ..

smith not far ahead of kohli

[SK_IH]

3 minutes ago, velu said:

smith 21 centuries in 106 innings , kohli 20 in 105 ..

smith not far ahead of kohli

the thing with kohli is when he is on song,he will churn out these scores back to back,not wasting form with this guy

[putrevus]

Kohli is churning out hundreds and that is what I love about this guy. When in form he literally can carry his team on his back.

 

If he succeeds in SA and England he will be unstoppable. 

[rtmohanlal]

Great going by Kohli. Yet despite the likes of himself  &  Smith scoring bucket loads of runs and avg:ing big day in day out,  one truth that can't be neglected is that the general standard of bowling is so  below par when compared to that of the 80s and 90s.

[Turning_track]

Virat is overall better than Smith. Definitely ahead in limited overs, but Smith is ahead of Virat in tests(for now). The margin is not much, but if we go by the ICC ranking points Smith at 941 seems to have some lead over Virat's 877 points.
Smith has played some really clutch innings in 2015 WC knockout games, while Virat has played some mesmerizing innings in WT20's & a precious innings in rain affected 2013 CT final.
If Virat plays a WC winning innings in the the knockouts in future, he will surely cement his place as an ATG in the ODIs.

It would be really interesting to witness the peak of Virat's test career. He's such an exciting player to watch.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Turning_track

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

Great going by Kohli. Yet despite the likes of himself  &  Smith scoring bucket loads of runs and avg:ing big day in day out,  one truth that can't be neglected is that the general standard of bowling is so  below par when compared to that of the 80s and 90s.

That is not true at all, every era had weak teams and strong teams. In 1980s WI were so strong that when other team played against them they looked putrid.The same thing can said about Australia from mid nineties to 2000s.

 

Indian team is so strong that it is making Srilanka look weak.The same Srilanka team whopped Pakistan 2-0 in their own back yard.

 

Guys like Herath and Perara are very decent bowlers , it is just Indian team is on another level. It is like 1980s where Aussies were playing WI so frequently even after getting their brains beaten every time.

[maniac]

20 minutes ago, putrevus said:

That is not true at all, every era had weak teams and strong teams. In 1980s WI were so strong that when other team played against them they looked putrid.The same thing can said about Australia from mid nineties to 2000s.

 

Indian team is so strong that it is making Srilanka look weak.The same Srilanka team whopped Pakistan 2-0 in their own back yard.

 

Guys like Herath and Perara are very decent bowlers , it is just Indian team is on another level. It is like 1980s where Aussies were playing WI so frequently even after getting their brains beaten every time.

Don’t want to put a dampener on your post because I agree with you for the most part but the same Srilanka also lost a series at home to Zimbabwe in ODIs and barely scraped through  against Zimbabwe

[putrevus]

Just now, maniac said:

Don’t want to put a dampener on your post because I agree with you for the most part but the same Srilanka also lost a series at home to Zimbabwe in ODIs and barely scraped through  against Zimbabwe

They lost odi series against Pakistan too. They are a useless odi team. Their Test team with Herath and Perara is formidable to any opposition except India.Herath takes wickets for fun against other teams.

[rtmohanlal]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

That is not true at all, every era had weak teams and strong teams. In 1980s WI were so strong that when other team played against them they looked putrid.The same thing can said about Australia from mid nineties to 2000s.

 

Indian team is so strong that it is making Srilanka look weak.The same Srilanka team whopped Pakistan 2-0 in their own back yard.

 

Guys like Herath and Perara are very decent bowlers , it is just Indian team is on another level. It is like 1980s where Aussies were playing WI so frequently even after getting their brains beaten every time.

I  was speaking in terms of bowlers with <25 avg:. For instance take 90s. Mcgrath,Warne,Ambrose,Walsh,Bishop,Donald, Pollock,Akram,Waqar & Murali. And there were several  slightly lower level bowlers too.Today's bowlers pales in comparison to them

[mancalledsting]

https://sports.ndtv.com/india-vs-sri-lanka-2017-18/india-vs-sri-lanka-kevin-pietersen-michael-vaughan-hail-virat-kohli-after-his-20th-test-century-1782826

 

whilst ICF waxed lyrical last week about how S Smith > Kohli, I unapologetically stood my ground in favour Kohli. I'm glad that 2 England legends have come out and supported my view point 

[gattaca]

1 hour ago, mancalledsting said:

https://sports.ndtv.com/india-vs-sri-lanka-2017-18/india-vs-sri-lanka-kevin-pietersen-michael-vaughan-hail-virat-kohli-after-his-20th-test-century-1782826

 

whilst ICF waxed lyrical last week about how S Smith > Kohli, I unapologetically stood my ground in favour Kohli. I'm glad that 2 England legends have come out and supported my view point 

He out scores kohli on flat pitches and spinning wickets as well. 

[mancalledsting]

Yeah he outscores VK during 2014 Aus series- Kohli has to score against Mitch Johnson, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood whilst Steve smith feasts on ishant (during his bad run), karn sharma and varun Aaron...real fair comparison. Drop virat Kohli 3 times (like smith was in Pune) and he will make a big score on a spinning track also. You people think you're so clever pointing to Kohli record in this and smith record in that but you fail to take into consideration the most fundamental points rendering your comparisons meaningless. Like M Hussey, M Clarke and R Ponting, A Cook before him, I'm waiting for S Smith's bubble to burst and then his technical deficiencies will get exploited time and again 

Edited December 3, 2017 by mancalledsting

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

I  was speaking in terms of bowlers with <25 avg:. For instance take 90s. Mcgrath,Warne,Ambrose,Walsh,Bishop,Donald, Pollock,Akram,Waqar & Murali. And there were several  slightly lower level bowlers too.Today's bowlers pales in comparison to them

Those were different conditions. You think those bowlers would average that today.

[Shunya]