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Agarkar: Pandya isn't ready to be third seamer yet


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3 hours ago, RAZPOR said:

He was never supposed to be 3 rd seamer,whats the big revelation here ???

 

Is stokes the third seamer??

No

 

Allrounders arent supposed to be bowling as the third option.

Yesterday, he WAS treated as a third seamer. India did not have a 6th bowler option in the lineup. It is as if we are expecting Hardik Pandya to bowl full quota of 10 overs and not a part-time bowler who will share overs with someone else (like Kedar for example). 


Agarkar was saying that Hardik does not deserve to play as a third seamer alone which means do not consider him a full time bowler giving you 8-10 overs but may be 5-6 overs with another 5th bowling option finishing the remaining quota of overs. Yesterday it did not matter because India scored very less. If India had nearly 200 runs on board and the match would have gone into 50th over, Pandya's overs are going to be crucial determinant in deciding the result of the match. 

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4 hours ago, saik said:

Maybe we should add one more allrounder in the lineup like Shankar or Sundar in place of a batsman.So he can share the overs of Pandya.

you would end up not scoring enough and not bowling them enough..too many over of mediocrity while batting and bowling. Nothing against Pandya he can hit 140 and can take top order wickets of best batsmen in the world, but it unfair to expect performance at levels of internationals who are one skill specialists, say a Bhuv kumar who is often called trundler bowls faster than him if you see carefully, and definitely gets much more wickets, and Ishant the wicket less wonder creates more pressure as 3rd seamer in tests for sure. Alrounders even best of them can consistently create pressure like specialists, but they can have their days.

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1 hour ago, Vilander said:

you would end up not scoring enough and not bowling them enough..too many over of mediocrity while batting and bowling. Nothing against Pandya he can hit 140 and can take top order wickets of best batsmen in the world, but it unfair to expect performance at levels of internationals who are one skill specialists, say a Bhuv kumar who is often called trundler bowls faster than him if you see carefully, and definitely gets much more wickets, and Ishant the wicket less wonder creates more pressure as 3rd seamer in tests for sure. Alrounders even best of them can consistently create pressure like specialists, but they can have their days.

So can we play a third seamer or spinner and Pandya plays purely as batsman at no 6 and bowls when required?

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Well the argument  that is being made here is that if the table wobbles,put a piece of paper under it...that exactly what a Pandya is the piece of paper,a patchwork as they say....however only for testmatches though....in the IPL generation it is a shame we don’t have a lower middle order power hitter and Pandya definetely is the only one in the current scenario who fits the bill best.

 

however like it or not he will still be considered bits and pieces because his batting hasn’t been toporder material and bowling is definetely not good enough to be the 3rd seamer....there is a place for such players in limited overs though but he hasn’t evolved to a point of us starting him in the X1 in overseas tests.

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Agarkar was one of the worst test match bowlers in history, bowled lollypop s n half volley outside off regularly,Pandya has more talent then him.

Yes he might not be the most classiest but certainly has shown to have enough talent, he can take top wkts and score, yes he will give some runs in the process but give him some time, also no reason to not look at Shankar as well.

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4 minutes ago, Lannister said:

He has always been a **** ODI bowler, we need to have 6 bowling options if we are playing Pandya. 2-batting all-rounders and 4 specialist bowlers. Jadav is unreliable with the bat to have him as the 2nd all-rounder, so we need to find a suitable replacement for him. 

So that would leave us with 5 batsmen. 

2 openers + Kohli + WK and just one spot available in the middle order for a new player. Pandey, Iyer and Rahul are going to fight it out for that spot. 

If we get KL as a WK that would solve a lot of problems in this team. 

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LOL at resident experts. After years of wait post Kapil paaji, here we have someone who has shown glimpses of being a bowler and a bat. Now everyone here is justifying that he hasnt scored a 100 or a  fiver.

 

No, His job is to score a fearless fifty and bowl economical 6-8 overs in a odi game. And if possible get a wicket or two.

 

He is yet to debut in overseas test arena. A bit of strength/stamina training and some exposure and then only we can make such statement.

 

And yes, I am certain, Pandya will retire with more test caps and wickets than Mr Agarkar. Unless offcourse someone wants him out ASAP

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8 hours ago, Lannister said:

So that would leave us with 5 batsmen. 

2 openers + Kohli + WK and just one spot available in the middle order for a new player. Pandey, Iyer and Rahul are going to fight it out for that spot. 

If we get KL as a WK that would solve a lot of problems in this team. 

Make KL rahul a keeper double ur tally of drop catches and add missed stumpings. 1st let him make a place as batsman

U think keeping is a joke 

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10 hours ago, Lannister said:

So that would leave us with 5 batsmen. 

2 openers + Kohli + WK and just one spot available in the middle order for a new player. Pandey, Iyer and Rahul are going to fight it out for that spot. 

If we get KL as a WK that would solve a lot of problems in this team. 

Wkt Keeper is a highly specialized position. It is not for part timers.

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