cowboysfan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 We re so starved for a medium pace allrounder that we have elevated a guy with no bowling talent to super stardom. LORD_analyst and saik 2 Link to comment
sarcastic Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, RAZPOR said: He was never supposed to be 3 rd seamer,whats the big revelation here ??? Is stokes the third seamer?? No Allrounders arent supposed to be bowling as the third option. Yesterday, he WAS treated as a third seamer. India did not have a 6th bowler option in the lineup. It is as if we are expecting Hardik Pandya to bowl full quota of 10 overs and not a part-time bowler who will share overs with someone else (like Kedar for example). Agarkar was saying that Hardik does not deserve to play as a third seamer alone which means do not consider him a full time bowler giving you 8-10 overs but may be 5-6 overs with another 5th bowling option finishing the remaining quota of overs. Yesterday it did not matter because India scored very less. If India had nearly 200 runs on board and the match would have gone into 50th over, Pandya's overs are going to be crucial determinant in deciding the result of the match. RAZPOR and beetle 2 Link to comment
saik Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Maybe we should add one more allrounder in the lineup like Shankar or Sundar in place of a batsman.So he can share the overs of Pandya. SecondSlip 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Khota said: Need to wait another 50 years for allrounders. Maybe they dont exist. this is an improvement from 'unicorns' i see you are changing your opinion good. Link to comment
Vilander Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 hours ago, saik said: Maybe we should add one more allrounder in the lineup like Shankar or Sundar in place of a batsman.So he can share the overs of Pandya. you would end up not scoring enough and not bowling them enough..too many over of mediocrity while batting and bowling. Nothing against Pandya he can hit 140 and can take top order wickets of best batsmen in the world, but it unfair to expect performance at levels of internationals who are one skill specialists, say a Bhuv kumar who is often called trundler bowls faster than him if you see carefully, and definitely gets much more wickets, and Ishant the wicket less wonder creates more pressure as 3rd seamer in tests for sure. Alrounders even best of them can consistently create pressure like specialists, but they can have their days. Link to comment
saik Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Vilander said: you would end up not scoring enough and not bowling them enough..too many over of mediocrity while batting and bowling. Nothing against Pandya he can hit 140 and can take top order wickets of best batsmen in the world, but it unfair to expect performance at levels of internationals who are one skill specialists, say a Bhuv kumar who is often called trundler bowls faster than him if you see carefully, and definitely gets much more wickets, and Ishant the wicket less wonder creates more pressure as 3rd seamer in tests for sure. Alrounders even best of them can consistently create pressure like specialists, but they can have their days. So can we play a third seamer or spinner and Pandya plays purely as batsman at no 6 and bowls when required? Link to comment
maniac Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Well the argument that is being made here is that if the table wobbles,put a piece of paper under it...that exactly what a Pandya is the piece of paper,a patchwork as they say....however only for testmatches though....in the IPL generation it is a shame we don’t have a lower middle order power hitter and Pandya definetely is the only one in the current scenario who fits the bill best. however like it or not he will still be considered bits and pieces because his batting hasn’t been toporder material and bowling is definetely not good enough to be the 3rd seamer....there is a place for such players in limited overs though but he hasn’t evolved to a point of us starting him in the X1 in overseas tests. beetle and sarcastic 2 Link to comment
MCcricket Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Agarkar was one of the worst test match bowlers in history, bowled lollypop s n half volley outside off regularly,Pandya has more talent then him. Yes he might not be the most classiest but certainly has shown to have enough talent, he can take top wkts and score, yes he will give some runs in the process but give him some time, also no reason to not look at Shankar as well. Link to comment
Khota Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Vilander said: this is an improvement from 'unicorns' i see you are changing your opinion good. Been very consistent all along. Link to comment
diga Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Agarkar was a better all-rounder than Pandya, just saying Link to comment
Lannister Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 He has always been a **** ODI bowler, we need to have 6 bowling options if we are playing Pandya. 2-batting all-rounders and 4 specialist bowlers. Jadav is unreliable with the bat to have him as the 2nd all-rounder, so we need to find a suitable replacement for him. Link to comment
Lannister Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Lannister said: He has always been a **** ODI bowler, we need to have 6 bowling options if we are playing Pandya. 2-batting all-rounders and 4 specialist bowlers. Jadav is unreliable with the bat to have him as the 2nd all-rounder, so we need to find a suitable replacement for him. So that would leave us with 5 batsmen. 2 openers + Kohli + WK and just one spot available in the middle order for a new player. Pandey, Iyer and Rahul are going to fight it out for that spot. If we get KL as a WK that would solve a lot of problems in this team. Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Make him chief selector. He is not into kissing ass. Link to comment
renjith Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 If we pick players like shankar, hooda for # 4,5 positions, pandyas bowling load can be shared. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 5 hours ago, diga said: Agarkar was a better all-rounder than Pandya, just saying Agarkar was a better bowler, not a better alrounder. SandeepMotta 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 LOL at resident experts. After years of wait post Kapil paaji, here we have someone who has shown glimpses of being a bowler and a bat. Now everyone here is justifying that he hasnt scored a 100 or a fiver. No, His job is to score a fearless fifty and bowl economical 6-8 overs in a odi game. And if possible get a wicket or two. He is yet to debut in overseas test arena. A bit of strength/stamina training and some exposure and then only we can make such statement. And yes, I am certain, Pandya will retire with more test caps and wickets than Mr Agarkar. Unless offcourse someone wants him out ASAP Ankit_sharma03, speedheat and MCcricket 1 2 Link to comment
SUMO Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 India needs one batting all-rounder. One who is good enough get into side on his batting alone and able to bowl 4-5 overs...bit like yuvi. Then along with pandya our team will get right balance. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Lannister said: So that would leave us with 5 batsmen. 2 openers + Kohli + WK and just one spot available in the middle order for a new player. Pandey, Iyer and Rahul are going to fight it out for that spot. If we get KL as a WK that would solve a lot of problems in this team. Make KL rahul a keeper double ur tally of drop catches and add missed stumpings. 1st let him make a place as batsman U think keeping is a joke Link to comment
Khota Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Lannister said: So that would leave us with 5 batsmen. 2 openers + Kohli + WK and just one spot available in the middle order for a new player. Pandey, Iyer and Rahul are going to fight it out for that spot. If we get KL as a WK that would solve a lot of problems in this team. Wkt Keeper is a highly specialized position. It is not for part timers. Link to comment
Austin 3:!6 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Pandya is our most valuable ODI player after Kohli and Rohit. There is no question of dropping him. He is the kind of a player who will give us long term gains and a future Indian captain as per me. His body language is wonderful too...very confident and positive. Link to comment
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