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14 minutes ago, fineleg said:

He came back and bowled some overs and at decent pace and still no wicket then too.  

 

1 + 1  + 4 overs  in the last 2 sessions

 

Had to be removed twice after just 1 over each due to the niggle he was feeling

 

Basically just one spell of 4 overs in which one of the dolliest of catches was dropped off his bowling and there were numerous plays and misses.

 

 

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I do like Saini, just talking abt the over-hype at ICF 

 

This is a cricket forum ..... present for the very purpose of discussing various cricketers in great detail 

 

Not every prospect will succeed in international cricket  but that does not mean their domestic performances won't be liked.

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Cricket forum - yes

domestic prospects discussed - yes

All for the above two. Discussed is different, hyped is different.

This is a potential 'prospect for India'  (rather for India-A first) -yes. That's all.

No worries, keep updating the thread. Looking forward to it.

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Thing which is noticeably with Saini is the nip he gets off the pitch it's rare you need good wrist action likes of Steyn,Ryan Harris.You can notice even on slow pitch he hurried batsman.

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1 hour ago, CG said:

Thing which is noticeably with Saini is the nip he gets off the pitch it's rare you need good wrist action likes of Steyn,Ryan Harris.You can notice even on slow pitch he hurried batsman.

He imparts good back spin.

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Excerpt from an article --

 

 

"At the higher level, you need to bowl with patience. Only patience can take you forward. It's my strength. Like on a pitch like we saw today, the plan was to bowl wicket to wicket and aim for lbws and bowled."

 

Saini's natural area of operation is on the fuller side of a good length. He felt bowling with the tennis ball in his formative years helped him become good at it. "When you play with the tennis ball, you get hit a lot," he said. "To escape from that you have to bowl yorkers at the stumps. Constantly doing that has helped me develop those muscles that come into play while bowling yorkers. When you bowl with a leather ball the full length ball skids a lot more, it kicks off the surface like in the dismissals today.

 

"My arm-speed is very fast. So I can't build up my body structure a lot bigger than now, because if I do that my arm-speed will come down. As I am training, my speed develops. The more you bowl, the better your bowling muscles develop."

 

http://www.espn.in/cricket/story/_/id/21816714/making-navdeep-saini

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10 hours ago, express bowling said:

Excerpt from an article --

 

 

"At the higher level, you need to bowl with patience. Only patience can take you forward. It's my strength. Like on a pitch like we saw today, the plan was to bowl wicket to wicket and aim for lbws and bowled."

 

Saini's natural area of operation is on the fuller side of a good length. He felt bowling with the tennis ball in his formative years helped him become good at it. "When you play with the tennis ball, you get hit a lot," he said. "To escape from that you have to bowl yorkers at the stumps. Constantly doing that has helped me develop those muscles that come into play while bowling yorkers. When you bowl with a leather ball the full length ball skids a lot more, it kicks off the surface like in the dismissals today.

 

"My arm-speed is very fast. So I can't build up my body structure a lot bigger than now, because if I do that my arm-speed will come down. As I am training, my speed develops. The more you bowl, the better your bowling muscles develop."

 

http://www.espn.in/cricket/story/_/id/21816714/making-navdeep-saini

needs to improve his front foot landing ,its quite poor could pick up injuries  also loses pace bounce and accuracy due to it 

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3 hours ago, dandaroy said:

Kohli/Shastri, get this guy on the plane to England, nahin to katke gaar denge madaarchauds! :giggle:

Kohli ko dilli wali bhasha me sahi samjhaya hai bhai :phehe:

 

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On 01/01/2018 at 12:07 PM, express bowling said:

Another positive, Rishabh Pant's catch. But for some he is not good enough keeper to replace Dhoni????????. :confused:

 

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11 hours ago, express bowling said:

Saini should be in the playing 11 in test matches in England.

Not a should. There are many senior players ahead of him in the pecking order. I won't play him even ahead of Ishant Sharma. 

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4 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

That’s a big call that 

 

bk shami and bumrah . Who you dropping ? 

 

Maybe squad possibly but not team . 

Bumrah maybe. Bk, Shami and Saini .Since it's England, hit the deck bowler Bumrah may not be necessary.

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9 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Not a should. There are many senior players ahead of him in the pecking order. I won't play him even ahead of Ishant Sharma. 

 

There should not be any  pecking order in international cricket.

 

You pick those players who you think will win you the current match and help you build a good team for the future.

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10 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

That’s a big call that 

 

bk shami and bumrah . Who you dropping ? 

 

Maybe squad possibly but not team . 

 

 

My playing 11 for first test against England 

 

1. Vijay

2. Rahul

3. Pujara

4. Kohli

5. Rahane

6. Ashwin

7. Saha

8. Bhuvi

9. Shami

10. Saini

11. Bumrah

 

India have looked like a different test team abroad when we have fielded 4 specialist fast bowlers in the 3rd test in SA.  If the track is flatter, this formula will be even more helpful.  Bhuvi's improvement with the bat will help us even more with this composition.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Bumrah is quality . Has to play 

Even if he wasn't, the point being skiddy swing/seam bowlers are more useful in England.

N.B: That, however, in no way means Hit the deck bowlers are useless in England like, say, Finger spinners are in Australia.

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19 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Even if he wasn't, the point being skiddy swing/seam bowlers are more useful in England.

N.B: That, however, in no way means Hit the deck bowlers are useless in England like, say, Finger spinners are in Australia.

you need a combination of both. One-dimensional attack isn't good anywhere. Hit the deck bowlers are useful once the ball gets older and to bring variety to push the batsmen back and England do have some hard surfaces as well like the Rosebowl, Old Trafford and Chester Lee Street Durham. 

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you need a combination of both. One-dimensional attack isn't good anywhere. Hit the deck bowlers are useful once the ball gets older and to bring variety to push the batsmen back and England do have some hard surfaces as well like the Rosebowl, Old Trafford and Chester Lee Street Durham. 

 

Yes.   Our pace attack must have sufficient variety to take care of different conditions that may present themselves over the course of 5 days.   Like the Lords test in 2014, when the pitch was a green mamba for the first 2 days but became hard and flattish during the last 2 days and needed hit-the-deck bowling to take wickets.

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54 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

To be honest, I don’t get overly excited with bowlers bowling with closed arm. In international cricket, it becomes easier to line them up. That’s why nagarkotti or mauvi look so impressive. 

He doesn't bowl with closed arm.

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On 09/02/2018 at 2:41 PM, King Tendulkar said:

That’s a big call that 

 

bk shami and bumrah . Who you dropping ? 

 

Maybe squad possibly but not team . 

Will shami play ?

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47 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Yes. Chinnaswamy is a graveyard for pacers. Only the top pacers will escape with respectable figures. 

I think last year bowlers were making merry on that wicket. Weren't RCB dismissed for very low totals twice there?  

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9 minutes ago, ThePhenomenal1 said:

Just give saini a go he needs to play in england. Other than bumrah cant remember the last time indian selectors showed foresight.. Shami in 2013?

 

give young prospects a chance and back them. Under kohli saini could be a big threat to opposition i think.

 

Saini should definitely go to England.

 

4 among  Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Saini and Umesh should be chosen  in the 5 tests by rotation.

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Saini should definitely go to England.

 

4 among  Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Saini and Umesh should be chosen  in the 5 tests by rotation.

I fear selectors may think out of the box(on their part)and select Gurbani for Eng tour ignoring Saini..the d!ckheads there  you know

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40 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

I fear selectors may think out of the box(on their part)and select Gurbani for Eng tour ignoring Saini..the d!ckheads there  you know

 

Saini went to SA as a net bowler.  If the team management is impressed with him, he may get a chance.

 

My bigger fear is Kaul sneaking in.   Short trundlers like him never become all -condition pacers.

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50 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Saini went to SA as a net bowler.  If the team management is impressed with him, he may get a chance.

 

My bigger fear is Kaul sneaking in.   Short trundlers like him never become all -condition pacers.

 

How tall is he?

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Saini should definitely go to England.

 

4 among  Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Saini and Umesh should be chosen  in the 5 tests by rotation.

Agreed but shami may not get in if he is found guilty. Get bumrah, bhuvi, saini, umesh and a young left armer for variety. Plus spinner in kuldeep/ashwin

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2 hours ago, Bilal78 said:

Why is this guy not playing for India?

 

 

Seems a decent prospect going by what I have read.

 

Don't believe everything you read here..:flute:

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19 minutes ago, kruiser said:

Don't believe everything you read here..:flute:

 

Even if you don't, there are a few FACTS that are hard to ignore

 

1.  Saini averages 23.8  in F.C. with a SR of 51... showing that he is a wicket-taker.

2.  He is clocking 135 k to 145 k in 5-day matches  ( not T20s  where so many people bowl quick )

3. He has picked up loads of wickets in both the Ranji final and semi-final ... basically important knockout matches.

4. He has played in 2 A-team series and done well ... which basically means that he is on the verge of national selection.

5.  He is around  6 feet tall.

 

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26 minutes ago, eternalhope said:

They should give him a chance in Tests than in the shorter formats. I believe he is ready for India duty in the longer format.

 

Yes .  Saini has bowled much better in the 5-day games.

 

Among uncapped quicks,  Khalil and Khejroliya have bowled better in the shorter formats.

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23 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Yes .  Saini has bowled much better in the 5-day games.

 

Among uncapped quicks,  Khalil and Khejroliya have bowled better in the shorter formats.

 

Who are India’s top 5 bowlers in domestics excluding Bumrah, Shami, Yadav, Ishant, Bhuvneshwar.

 

 

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2 hours ago, MCcricket said:

Navdeep Saini, Aniket Choudhary, Varun Aaron, Lalit yadav, Khalil Ahmed for me

If in terms of wickets, in first class only Saini, Aniket and may be Lalit till he got injured. Khalil and Khejroliya have been successful in the shorter formats. I am hoping Varun returns with a refined action and approach this time after his current stint with MRF.

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