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On 2/27/2019 at 6:27 PM, express bowling said:

Saini against Andhra today  ( as seen on Hotstar now )

 

1st over

 

141 

145 

149

147

150

145

 

2nd over

 

145

150

149

143

150

146

Touching 150k in first over...it means he was already warmed up. Avesh touched 147k a few times but is saini now fastest in India as of today by a country mile.

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2 hours ago, Cricketics said:

If there is any surprise selection left for World Cup, I hope it is this guy now. And I hope he does well.

 

I hope t see Aaaron, Thampi and Saini rock this IPL. 

4th pacer is umesh yadav n saini is looking definitely better than umesh. So as far as I am concerned it's an easy selection.the consistent pace he is showing..it would be foolish not to pick him.

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11 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

4th pacer is umesh yadav n saini is looking definitely better than umesh. So as far as I am concerned it's an easy selection.the consistent pace he is showing..it would be foolish not to pick him.

Exactly, he might struggle a bit in international cricket, but then who doesn't. Anyways, we will play other bowlers most likely ahead of him if doesn't perform right away for India, so no harm in having him in the squad.

 

Also, hoping he get picked to play in last few Odis vs Australia, even though the squad is announced, hoping they can always change the squad at a later date too.

 

Also we have couple of World Cup warm up games. Ample amount of time still left for Saini to have a. proper feel of playing for India. 

 

Just that people who matter the most - selectors, now need to make this important call and select this guy. 

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10 hours ago, bahubali said:

Exactly till the time budhau is keeping don't expect any our Nd out fast bowler in odi. Now I m not surprised why khaleel suddenly became zaleel.

Dhoni was captaining instead of Dhawan in last Asia cup when rohit sat himself out, coincidentally since then Khaleel transformed into Zaleel 

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He wasn’t bowling with this pace some 6 months back, I would say let’s not conclude this is his normal pace, we have been deceived by SMA trophy in the past, Khaleel bowling 147+ too & we thought wow here is a fast bowler & we know how that ended up.

I feel at times it’s the rhythm which is good for a particular bowler & which helps generate the extra pace. I would guard everyone to not go overboard with what we have seen with Saini’s pace, even though it’s promising, we can’t be certain until we see it consistently across formats..


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4 minutes ago, nsareen said:

He wasn’t bowling with this pace some 6 months back, I would say let’s not conclude this is his normal pace, we have been deceived by SMA trophy in the past, Khaleel bowling 147+ too & we thought wow here is a fast bowler & we know how that ended up.

I feel at times it’s the rhythm which is good for a particular bowler & which helps generate the extra pace. I would guard everyone to not go overboard with what we have seen with Saini’s pace, even though it’s promising, we can’t be certain until we see it consistently across formats..


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Khaleel was flash in the pan. Saini has been in this thread for a long time as a test prospect. Other similar names Avesh and Ankit.

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Khaleel was flash in the pan. Saini has been in this thread for a long time as a test prospect. Other similar names Avesh and Ankit.

He was always a good bowler but stayed around 140 for most part of his career which has been televised, this sudden bump in speed can be attributed to good rhythm, is what I’m debating, which might not always be there within a season too..


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2 hours ago, nsareen said:


He was always a good bowler but stayed around 140 for most part of his career which has been televised, this sudden bump in speed can be attributed to good rhythm, is what I’m debating, which might not always be there within a season too..


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He had hit 145kph in Ranji trophy so no surprise that he is hitting 150 in t20s. No bowler bowls same pace every game spell, so, variations will always be there. Khaleel loss of pace happened due to change in his action in an effort to swing the ball. He started bowling with straighter arm than slingy arm.

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2 hours ago, nsareen said:


He was always a good bowler but stayed around 140 for most part of his career which has been televised, this sudden bump in speed can be attributed to good rhythm, is what I’m debating, which might not always be there within a season too..


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he has hit 147 in the past. 150 are effort balls probably. but good 

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But he is bowling 150 effortlessly.

Looking effortless is different from actual effortless dude! It’ll be wise to say he touched 150 & only in this tournament & only in t20s & only in first 2 overs... let’s not go overboard with what happens in ICF usually..

 

 

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3 minutes ago, nsareen said:

Looking effortless is different from actual effortless dude! It’ll be wise to say he touched 150 & only in this tournament & only in t20s & only in first 2 overs... let’s not go overboard with what happens in ICF usually..

 

 

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I didn't say he touched 150 in international cricket but he did touch 145 plus before in 4-day games, so, I have no doubt about his pace. I had not seen even Aaron and Yadav clocking 145+ in 4-day games. In their early days.

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8 hours ago, nsareen said:


He was always a good bowler but stayed around 140 for most part of his career which has been televised, this sudden bump in speed can be attributed to good rhythm, is what I’m debating, which might not always be there within a season too..


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Saini's normal speed range is 135 k to 145 k. 

 

The fact that he can bowl 150 k is interesting

 

But I expect him to be 135 to 145 more often than not.  But even that is quite good.

 

Disappointment regarding speeds will arise only if he bowls slower than that.

 

 

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12 hours ago, nsareen said:

Looking effortless is different from actual effortless dude! It’ll be wise to say he touched 150 & only in this tournament & only in t20s & only in first 2 overs... let’s not go overboard with what happens in ICF usually..

 

 

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What is going overboard ? Whats your point ?

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On 3/2/2019 at 2:13 PM, express bowling said:

 

Saini's normal speed range is 135 k to 145 k. 

 

The fact that he can bowl 150 k is interesting

 

But I expect him to be 135 to 145 more often than not.  But even that is quite good.

 

Disappointment regarding speeds will arise only if he bowls slower than that.

 

 

     This could be his peak . It will be a loss if india does not give a chance  after wc atleast in tests and he should be one of the resrves in 50 overs as he always bowls wicket to wicket. 

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

A snorter by Saini hit the UP captain on the jaw ... and he could not take the field while his team was bowling.

 

Saini has developed a very good short ball in the last 18 months.

Condolence to the batsman, but Saini keeps on showing that he belongs to the international level. He has it in him to perform or at least get a chance to play for India.

 

Who really cares how he performs for India right away, its about developing these people who have fire to bowl fast for their team.

 

Saini has that. And playing for India, wearing that jersey might just make him more lethal. Experience is so vital, he needs that right away at international level. 

 

India is missing it big time but not paying attention towards him. 

 

 

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On 3/1/2019 at 1:15 AM, Cricketics said:

Exactly, he might struggle a bit in international cricket, but then who doesn't. Anyways, we will play other bowlers most likely ahead of him if doesn't perform right away for India, so no harm in having him in the squad.

 

Also, hoping he get picked to play in last few Odis vs Australia, even though the squad is announced, hoping they can always change the squad at a later date too.

 

Also we have couple of World Cup warm up games. Ample amount of time still left for Saini to have a. proper feel of playing for India. 

 

Just that people who matter the most - selectors, now need to make this important call and select this guy. 

Any fast bowler who can beat umesh yadav should be picked.

 

Umesh yadav has very little brains and just has pace ..saini seems to be bowling faster than umesh as of today and he definitely has a bit of brains for sure. I think Siraj and saini both are better than umesh yadav and one of the two should be our fourth pacer.

I see only one spinner playing in England and v may need 3 pacer and hardik.

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26 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Any fast bowler who can beat umesh yadav should be picked.

 

Umesh yadav has very little brains and just has pace ..saini seems to be bowling faster than umesh as of today and he definitely has a bit of brains for sure. I think Siraj and saini both are better than umesh yadav and one of the two should be our fourth pacer.

I see only one spinner playing in England and v may need 3 pacer and hardik.

I agree, enough games given to Umesh. Time for Saini. Though I will always have respect for Umesh because he did serve as our pioneer of fast bowling. He did push other guys around him to bowl fast, so for that we must give him credit.

 

Its just unfortunate that he isn't the most smartest bowlers out there to use his skills, but he always had weapons and still do, just not has used it correctly through out his career.

 

It's a shame because he had the talent and fire to stay fit and put his all is what I liked about him. He used to even throw himself on the field as a fast bowler, which not many from India used to do. Hence I keep calling him the pioneer of this new fast bowling culture.

 

Time for Saini and co now. 

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5 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I agree, enough games given to Umesh. Time for Saini. Though I will always have respect for Umesh because he did serve as our pioneer of fast bowling. He did push other guys around him to bowl fast, so for that we must give him credit.

 

Its just unfortunate that he isn't the most smartest bowlers out there to use his skills, but he always had weapons and still do, just not has used it correctly through out his career.

 

It's a shame because he had the talent and fire to stay fit and put his all is what I liked about him. He used to even throw himself on the field as a fast bowler, which not many from India used to do. Hence I keep calling him the pioneer of this new fast bowling culture.

 

Time for Saini and co now. 

I was and even support Umesh today too but V can't close our eyes and shut our brain.

15 runs in last over..when bumrah gave 2 runs in second last over...10th batsman batting 4 Yorkers n 2 Yorkers on the 8th stump would have made india win.

The batsman had just come..fastish Yorkers go for 1 runs only...Umesh messes up.

See Praveen Kumar, Irfan..see Zak and even that average unlucky ishant with experience are using there brain.

I went to bat at 19th over and I had to hit from the first ball..the intelligent bowler knew that I am a batsman and did bowl at the seventh stump even when I was facing the first ball ...I could not reach to the ball n not score of it.

But I got the message loud and clear that bowler is not attacking my stumps.. I took off stump guard and he bowled at the stump which I nicked for a four..next ball again I was on off stump n ready to play at 7th stump ..I could reach the ball n score a 2.

Point I want to say is there was a Cricket with some brains going on..bowler was winning sometimes and some times I managed.

 

Umesh bowls at 143 to 145 with little bit of run up like bumrah ..so much of talent...why can't he use a bit of brain.

See that Vijay..his slow ball is 114k and his fast ball is 126k..still he won us a match and  is applying his brain..with practically zero talent as a medium pacer. Even he is beating umesh today..I am against Vijay shankar as his talent less bowling will be thrashed when v will need him the most but what is our highly talented umesh doing in bowling.

 

If u see umesh's batting ..one can come to know that umesh can bat better than ishant and even bhuvi..

But see bhuvi..he always scores runs. Shammi and umesh are more talented batsman than bhuvi but they don't apply themselves as batsman....I have given up on him.

 

Time for Siraj and Saini now. One of them should go to England as 4th pacer.

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8 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Any fast bowler who can beat umesh yadav should be picked.

 

Umesh yadav has very little brains and just has pace ..saini seems to be bowling faster than umesh as of today and he definitely has a bit of brains for sure. I think Siraj and saini both are better than umesh yadav and one of the two should be our fourth pacer.

I see only one spinner playing in England and v may need 3 pacer and hardik.

Yes for Saini. Not yet for Siraj.

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Saini  vs UP

 

1st over

 

139

142

145

147

144

144

 

 

2nd over

 

145

145

146

145

145

144

 

 

3rd over

 

Slower

138

147 ... wide

146  ... snorter hits batter on the jaw

148

143 ... wide

144

144 ... OUT ... rising short ball

 

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

Saini  vs UP

 

1st over

 

139

142

145

147

144

144

 

 

2nd over

 

145

145

146

145

145

144

 

 

3rd over

 

Slower

138

147 ... wide

146  ... snorter hits batter on the jaw

148

143 ... wide

144

144 ... OUT ... rising short ball

 

So many balls above 140k upto 148k..deadly bowling. 

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5 hours ago, Vilander said:

chewt indian commentators will still quote 138 and say...has standards of fast bowling fallen ? an indian fast bowler being called fast these days etc. farking cucks.

 

Amol Majumdar was saying during the last match ( just before Saini's spell )  that Saini bowls around 135 k and touches 140 k even.      :phehe:

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33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Amol Majumdar was saying during the last match ( just before Saini's spell )  that Saini bowls around 135 k and touches 140 k even.      :phehe:

He was sarcastic. He was there in first game and was excited to see him bowl 150kph.

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34 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Amol Majumdar was saying during the last match ( just before Saini's spell )  that Saini bowls around 135 k and touches 140 k even.      :phehe:

I think they have been told to do blindfolded commentary

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33 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What he does with his pace is also important, Umesh has pace but we know he leaks runs like anything.

Bumrah also has pace and does well with that.  Same wish Shami now. Why people every time bring Umesh and forget Bumrah and Shami!

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22 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah also has pace and does well with that.  Same wish Shami now. Why people every time bring Umesh and forget Bumrah and Shami!

Bumrah might end up as greatest fast bowler from India. So it is too early to compare anyone wigth him. Shami should not be benchmark, he is wired very different which I have not seen in any Indian fast bowlers.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Bumrah might end up as greatest fast bowler from India. So it is too early to compare anyone wigth him. Shami should not be benchmark, he is wired very different which I have not seen in any Indian fast bowlers.

Saini of what i have seen is same.  he is someone who runs in whole day and never lacking any effort.  He has bowled long spells in ranji trophy hitting 145K even in his 9th over of a spell.

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17 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Saini of what i have seen is same.  he is someone who runs in whole day and never lacking any effort.  He has bowled long spells in ranji trophy hitting 145K even in his 9th over of a spell.

Is he better than Kaul or the other guy who got injured in his first test.Did he play in IPL, Kaul I think has come into picture based on his IPL.

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26 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Is he better than Kaul or the other guy who got injured in his first test.Did he play in IPL, Kaul I think has come into picture based on his IPL.

iirc Saini was with Delhi for IPL 2017. He was not selected in playing 11 in any of of IPL 2017 matches. He also did not get selected to play ant match in IPL 2018. This year he is with RCB. I doubt he will play matches this year as well considering Umesh Yadav and Siraj will be the pace bowlers for RCB. At the most he will play couple of matches if first chocie bowlers are rested by RCB.

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27 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Where is the sarcasm in that statement  ?   :phehe:

that was a tongue in cheek comment. Listen to that again.  you could hear him giggling while saying that.

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3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Amol Majumdar was saying during the last match ( just before Saini's spell )  that Saini bowls around 135 k and touches 140 k even.      :phehe:

Thats what too much of bangda and rehu can do to you! He was probably too high on fish curry!

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10 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

iirc Saini was with Delhi for IPL 2017. He was not selected in playing 11 in any of of IPL 2017 matches. He also did not get selected to play ant match in IPL 2018. This year he is with RCB. I doubt he will play matches this year as well considering Umesh Yadav and Siraj will be the pace bowlers for RCB. At the most he will play couple of matches if first chocie bowlers are rested by RCB.

We can expect bias from selectors but IPL .Siraj has been awful for what ever matches he has played and if Saini can't dsplace him what does it tell about him.

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16 minutes ago, putrevus said:

We can expect bias from selectors but IPL .Siraj has been awful for what ever matches he has played and if Saini can't dsplace him what does it tell about him.

Last year IPL committee came upw ith concept of trading window wherein players who play 2 matches or less by half-way in the tourney are eligible to be traded to other franchisees. Not aware whether Saini was traded in this mid tournament trading window last year.

 

Saini should be given to some other franchisee where he stands a chance to make playing 11. imo Rajasthan Royals and CSK are the two teams where Saini would be able to make it to playing 11.

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