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22 minutes ago, surajmal said:

What's easier to manage politically : 1 big caste (which is intensely nationalistic - key marker that your party identifies with) + couple of other small groups OR an assortment of small castes? 

With this mentality, India seems to be decades away from the democracy which we see in the West, where at least this caste system has been abolished. 

 

BJP may get temporary gains by supporting the already privileged caste of Jats. But sooner or later there will be severe reaction from the oppressed castes and extreme hatred among the communities. 

 

All in all, it may be in interest of BJP temporarily, but certainly not in the interest of the State of India, which does not need to be polarized, and where hatred should not exist among the communities. 

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1 hour ago, surajmal said:

What's easier to manage politically : 1 big caste (which is intensely nationalistic - key marker that your party identifies with) + couple of other small groups OR an assortment of small castes? 

1. Perhaps not a hard n fast rule. If people see 1 dominant caste being violent and irrational, then they automatically unite.

 

2. Intensely nationalistic - I honestly would like to believe that bro. But the way they acted for an irrational, selfish cause didn't go down well. 

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7 hours ago, asterix said:


Yes... They need to go back to drawing board...

However By-election results are dicey... Still BJP need to think hard about fuel prices, allies etc. Cannot go steamrolling everything and everybody...

Let's end this debate. What can BJP do about fuel pieces? It's already one of the lowest relatively international, and any cut in prices will mean increase fiscal, inflation.

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Kairana #Bypoll Result RLD + Cong + SP + BSP = 421144 BJP = 389691

 

This is one bypoll. Let the opposition workout a seat-share first for 80 seats and then we can talk polls. 3.89 lakh votes without any of Modi visits. He can sway elections whereever he campaigns as seen in Karnataka. So, in Modi BJP can still trust. 

And it's a Muslim majority area. So it's not as bad for BJP this result.

 

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46 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

BJP may get temporary gains by supporting the already privileged caste of Jats. But sooner or later there will be severe reaction from the oppressed castes and extreme hatred among the communities.

That's actual opposite, BJP is getting more votes from the oppressed castes. Look at Haryana, they historical have a traditional JAT CM, but this time with BJP, it was a non-OBC CM.

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48 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

With this mentality, India seems to be decades away from the democracy which we see in the West, where at least this caste system has been abolished. 

 

BJP may get temporary gains by supporting the already privileged caste of Jats. But sooner or later there will be severe reaction from the oppressed castes and extreme hatred among the communities. 

 

All in all, it may be in interest of BJP temporarily, but certainly not in the interest of the State of India, which does not need to be polarized, and where hatred should not exist among the communities. 

You could say for the reason that Indians still vote on caste to a great extent that we are low IQ people on average and remain poor on various development parameters. Also, perhaps to an extent, it's the politics which doesn't let caste die off. 

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Let's end this debate. What can BJP do about fuel pieces? It's already one of the lowest relatively international, and any cut in prices will mean increase fiscal, inflation.

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https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/India-Wont-Pay-For-Venezuelan-Oil-With-Petro-Cryptocurrency.html

 

Also BJP is ruling in 21 states... It can reduce the local taxes as it has made enough moneys on Oil so far...

 

Or the last thing BJP can do is keep on losing elections...

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8 minutes ago, asterix said:

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/India-Wont-Pay-For-Venezuelan-Oil-With-Petro-Cryptocurrency.html

 

Also BJP is ruling in 21 states... It can reduce the local taxes as it has made enough moneys on Oil so far...

 

Or the last thing BJP can do is keep on losing elections...

I guess you didn't read the article.  Reduce taxes will have other consequences....

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With this mentality, India seems to be decades away from the democracy which we see in the West, where at least this caste system has been abolished. 
 
BJP may get temporary gains by supporting the already privileged caste of Jats. But sooner or later there will be severe reaction from the oppressed castes and extreme hatred among the communities. 
 
All in all, it may be in interest of BJP temporarily, but certainly not in the interest of the State of India, which does not need to be polarized, and where hatred should not exist among the communities. 

No matter what BJP does for Muslims (Religion of Peace), it wont get their votes... by pandering to them BJP is at the risk of its core voters getting doubts about its intentions...

The Muslim votes block in India will keep on dragging India below and behind...

BJP hoped of atleast getting Muslim women votes for its support to Triple Talaq issue. It seems that too not working out.

Do not expect BJP to woo Muslims too much as there’s no point, Muslims only vote anti-BJP parties...

It has to start from the community. The community has to decide that they let BJP rule for more terms. The more it allows BJP to win, the more confidence BJP will gain and less it’ll rely on polarisation... Whatever you say, BJP brings hope in Economy and development which Congress can’t as Congress believes in keeping the vote bank uneducated, poor and dependent on subsidies, while they make money on corruption.

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I guess you didn't read the article.  Reduce taxes will have other consequences....

Yes, BJP ne theka le rakha hain to bring all the reforms in this term only (only 1 year remaining).

 

Effing first try to consolidate and focus on winning the next term then think of “other consequences”..

 

Else keep on blaming the Indian public and Dhimmis...

 

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13 minutes ago, asterix said:

Yes, BJP ne theka le rakha hain to bring all the reforms in this term only (only 1 year remaining).

 

Effing first try to consolidate and focus on winning the next term then think of “other consequences”..

 

Else keep on blaming the Indian public and Dhimmis...

 

Found this on internet. "Here Muslims are planning to take over India whilst Hindus are complaining about 3-4 Rs hike in Petrol"

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Found this on internet. "Here Muslims are planning to take over India whilst Hindus are complaining about 3-4 Rs hike in Petrol"

These won’t work.. Hindus this or that.. Jab G pe laat padegi, then keep blaming Hindus...

What has BJP done so far for Hindus?

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5 minutes ago, asterix said:


These won’t work.. Hindus this or that.. Jab G pe laat padegi, then keep blaming Hindus...

What has BJP done so far for Hindus?

But it hasn't BJP done anything bad for Hindus. This is an important thing as it's the only party which talks about Hindus. You do remember the communal violence bill where Hindus were culprit by default. So let's be smart, and not over react.

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But it hasn't BJP done anything bad for Hindus. This is an important thing as it's the only party which talks about Hindus. You do remember the communal violence bill where Hindus were culprit by default. So let's be smart, and not over react.

BJP has only used Hindus... it has done GHANTA for Hindu... For Kairana campaign Modi and Shah went out of the way to pander Muslims... Modi even has to visit some Indonesian mosque... :rotfl:

G pe laat pad gayi...

I hope the duo will get back some sense and actually think some thing to do for the core voters...

Hindus don’t use Ram Naam to drive vehicles. They need something positive. The public get a perception that this Govt is adamant and very over confident and doesn’t compromises... perfect time to get a proper G pe Laat for the duo to get some sense back... hopefully...

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40 minutes ago, asterix said:


BJP has only used Hindus... it has done GHANTA for Hindu... For Kairana campaign Modi and Shah went out of the way to pander Muslims... Modi even has to visit some Indonesian mosque... :rotfl:

G pe laat pad gayi...

I hope the duo will get back some sense and actually think some thing to do for the core voters...

Hindus don’t use Ram Naam to drive vehicles. They need something positive. The public get a perception that this Govt is adamant and very over confident and doesn’t compromises... perfect time to get a proper G pe Laat for the duo to get some sense back... hopefully...

I so much wish that this happens and we have a best khichadi for next 5 years where Mamata taking care of home ministry (L&O) and Mayavati visits foreign countries to deal with international matters. Lallu's son (10th fail) leading us into Information Technology and development.  :aha: 

 

Hindu's dont need any help from anyone. All they expect is a fair playing field which BJP is providing them. No reservations, no drawing of free dole, better infrastructure. Left media and parties are using this opportunity to lure backwards and muslim with the promises that they had never fulfilled in the past and never will in the future. Muslims dont care about the country's development. They have their agenda and backwards are too naive to understand this. Once this equation changes, all the parties including the left will focus on overall development.

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2 hours ago, asterix said:


No matter what BJP does for Muslims (Religion of Peace), it wont get their votes... by pandering to them BJP is at the risk of its core voters getting doubts about its intentions...

The Muslim votes block in India will keep on dragging India below and behind...

BJP hoped of atleast getting Muslim women votes for its support to Triple Talaq issue. It seems that too not working out.

Do not expect BJP to woo Muslims too much as there’s no point, Muslims only vote anti-BJP parties...

It has to start from the community. The community has to decide that they let BJP rule for more terms. The more it allows BJP to win, the more confidence BJP will gain and less it’ll rely on polarisation... Whatever you say, BJP brings hope in Economy and development which Congress can’t as Congress believes in keeping the vote bank uneducated, poor and dependent on subsidies, while they make money on corruption.

(1) Alas.

 

 Muslims votes would have not been needed if BJP had not practised the narrow view of right wing Hindutva. This is a "fundamental" problem. A building with wrong base will always going to face the problems. 

 

If BJP would have been the only non-corrupt party in India, then it would have ultimately won without the use of any communal issues. 

 

Short cuts never bring you the proper success in long run. 

 

(2) And I wonder what BJP has done for the Muslims that they should vote for BJP?

 

The only thing seems to be the Talaq Issue. Again more credit goes to the Indian Supreme Court. While BJP government made a mistake of making an unwise law of 3 years imprisonment, which could not be passed as there are 10 million Hindu women who have been left alone by their husbands.  

 

Therefore, the ground reality is this that not a single Muslim woman has got a "single" benefit of all the 3 Talaq Drama up till now. 

 

And rest mob lynching incidents in name of respect of cow has brought such fears among the Muslims and Dalits that they could never trust BJP. 

 

 

(3) To be very "honest", BJP is no well wisher of the Muslims or Dalits or any other minority.

 

BJP is a high caste oriented Hindu party, and it's aim is to make sure that high caste Hindus always rule the country, while Muslims/Dalits/Minorities stay as 2nd class citizens.

 

If BJP shows it has done something for the Muslims, or even for the Dalits, then it is no more than a temporary Drama. 

 

I wish BJP leaves this right wing leanings and becomes really a ray of hope for all the Indians, irrespective of their religion/caste. 

 

 

(4) Today, after the defeat in the polls, I saw comments by BJP supporters, where they were saying if BJP wants to win the 2019 elections, then they have to make the Ram Mandir by hook or crook before the elections.

 

I am sad to see such state of affairs. 

 

Edited by Alam_dar

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3 hours ago, someone said:

That's actual opposite, BJP is getting more votes from the oppressed castes. Look at Haryana, they historical have a traditional JAT CM, but this time with BJP, it was a non-OBC CM.

If Hindus unite, like they did in Kairana and get more than 4 Lakh votes in a Muslim majority area, then BJP can still hope to win big in UP 2019. 

 

http://www.opindia.com/?p=109801

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Now let us consider the demographics of Kairana Lok Sabha constituency. The Muslims account for around 35%, but accounting for a higher turnout among them, it may be safely assumed that Muslims make up around 40% of the votes counted today.

This means that roughly 60% of the vote came from Hindus, of which 46.5% went to the BJP.

That is a staggering 77%. More than the three-fourths of Hindus who voted chose the BJP.

This is really bad news for overeager anchors who are desperate to write the BJP’s obituary. Forget alienating Dalits, Jats, Jatavs … etc from the BJP, we have just witnessed a massively polarized, United Hindu vote for the BJP in Western Uttar Pradesh.

The BJP’s performance among Hindu voters across ALL sections of society today in Kairana now rivals the performance of SP among Yadav voters and performance of Mayawati among Jatav voters!

If this level of Hindu unity repeats across Uttar Pradesh, the United Opposition is in a world of trouble.

The voter turn-out of 54% is pretty low and come 2019 General elections the turnout will be higher and more Hindus unitedly vote to BJP, then it will be same as in 2014.

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16 hours ago, surajmal said:

UP hindus need to be reminded of dangers of ascendant ROPerism from time to time. I bet over the coming year, ROPers will be extremely confident and start acting out in public spaces. RSS/BJP workers can use that while campaigning next year. 

1002379023350161408 

https://twitter.com/pankajjha_/status/1002379023350161408 

I'm too smart. 

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10 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

If Hindus unite, like they did in Kairana and get more than 4 Lakh votes in a Muslim majority area, then BJP can still hope to win big in UP 2019. 

 

http://www.opindia.com/?p=109801

The voter turn-out of 54% is pretty low and come 2019 General elections the turnout will be higher and more Hindus unitedly vote to BJP, then it will be same as in 2014.

 

I find the statistics in this article to be completely misleading. 

 

Reality is this that BJP won here in 2014 with a very huge margin of 2.4 lakh votes (link). But now lost the elections with 55000 votes. 

 

Therefore, question is about those constituencies where BJP didn't win with such huge margins in 2014. 

 

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5 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

 

I find the statistics in this article to be completely misleading. 

 

Reality is this that BJP won here in 2014 with a very huge margin of 2.4 lakh votes (link). But now lost the elections with 55000 votes. 

 

Therefore, question is about those constituencies where BJP didn't win with such huge margins in 2014. 

 

Voter turnout is the reason as per the author. .General polls can't be compared to bypolls as the issues are different. large percent of muslim voters turned and voted for the muslim candidate. 

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20 hours ago, Gollum said:

Exodus of Hindus from Kairana continues, this election result has emboldened a certain peaceful community to show their might.

 

https://www.amarujala.com/photo-gallery/uttar-pradesh/meerut/kairana-fear-of-a-special-community-a-family-has-fled-photos

Very sad. 

 

Do all in your might to get your rights, and don't let anyone to usurp them. 

 

At the same time, I appeal to feel the pain of the Humans of other side too. There are millions of normal Muslims too who had to leave their homes due to the fear of life and have to live in the ghettos. 

 

Anger against the extremists is fine. Kill them, set them in fire or do whatever is needed to be done. But if an innocent blood of single human being is shed, then it is a shame for whole humanity. 

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43 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Very sad. 

 

Do all in your might to get your rights, and don't let anyone to usurp them. 

 

At the same time, I appeal to feel the pain of the Humans of other side too. There are millions of normal Muslims too who had to leave their homes due to the fear of life and have to live in the ghettos. 

 

Anger against the extremists is fine. Kill them, set them in fire or do whatever is needed to be done. But if an innocent blood of single human being is shed, then it is a shame for whole humanity. 

we all are guilty of this. trouble is that for every mistake of ours, we find 10 mistakes of others undermining our own deeds. Doesnt matter, we all pay the price for it. We have to decide individually what we want to do and who do we want to support. Remember, in this regards we are all individuals. No group policy here. :((

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On 6/9/2018 at 3:35 AM, coffee_rules said:

Karnataka is turning out to be a joke. There is a rebel MLA gang of 20 revolting for not getting ministerial births

This is fun for the last 15 days since the CM was sworn in.

and the higher education minister has not even passed 8th standard ... :wall:

 

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On 6/28/2018 at 11:27 AM, coffee_rules said:

What a fall from grace, just like Shourie.

 

 

Shourie's is infinitely worse. Many people were turned towards BJP after reading Shourie's writings. For him to turn luteyns at a stage of life where he should be cementing his legacy instead of destroying it, is mind blowing. 

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17 hours ago, surajmal said:

Shourie's is infinitely worse. Many people were turned towards BJP after reading Shourie's writings. For him to turn luteyns at a stage of life where he should be cementing his legacy instead of destroying it, is mind blowing. 

Agree, Sathiyapan, issi ko kahate hain. For that matter, SS never had grace. 

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