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Sachin's 241 not out vs Cook's 244 not out -Which is better?

Which innings is better?  

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  1. 1. Which innings is better?

    • Sachin's 241 not out
    • Cook's 244 not out


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Hazelwood > Bracken

Cummins = Lee (in test cricket though Cummins will beat Lee who had an average test career but let's give this a tie for now)

Bird < Gillespie

Lyon > McGill 

 

obv if you replace Bracken and McGill with McGrath and Warne then it's a no brainer but this comparison is even and prolly this line up shades it a bit.

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And yes Lyon is far superior to MacGill in Aussie conditions

 

MacGill normally played when the pitch was a turner and hence 2 spinners so statistically will have an advantage due to friendly conditions.

 

you just need to see the epic choke job he did whenever he played as a lone spinner to see that he's not on same level to Lyon.

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9 hours ago, AmreekanDesi said:

Lol I voted sachin but Lee and Gillespie weren't the main bowlers for that Aus side.

it was McGrath and Warne who didn't play

 

so saying No Starc isn't really saying much against cook...

 

bracken and mcgill were actually pedestrian

You say that now??? its so easy isn't it?? yes that attack was secondary but by no means was pedestrian on their home grounds, brackan and McGill may have flopped but at home they were as good as any at THAT TIME... And lul wut??? No starc isn't saying much?? :hysterical:  guy who got cook twice with shooters , a guy who bowls threatening lines around 145-150k a guy who is a major difference btwn 2 sides wouldn't have made any difference?? :facepalm:

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9 hours ago, AmreekanDesi said:

And yes Lyon is far superior to MacGill in Aussie conditions

 

MacGill normally played when the pitch was a turner and hence 2 spinners so statistically will have an advantage due to friendly conditions.

 

you just need to see the epic choke job he did whenever he played as a lone spinner to see that he's not on same level to Lyon.

Abey how Lee and Gillespie were not main bowlers? These four together formed that feared bowling attack.  Starc is the top wicket taker this series and has made a hell lot of difference.

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9 hours ago, AmreekanDesi said:

Hazelwood > Bracken

Cummins = Lee (in test cricket though Cummins will beat Lee who had an average test career but let's give this a tie for now)

Bird < Gillespie

Lyon > McGill 

 

obv if you replace Bracken and McGill with McGrath and Warne then it's a no brainer but this comparison is even and prolly this line up shades it a bit.

why you comparing bird and Gillespie?  Compare Hazlewood = Gillespie, Bracken = Bird. Lyon = McGil.  Cummins = Lee. McGil had a better test record than Lyon. very comparable attacks.

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Abey how Lee and Gillespie were not main bowlers? These four together formed that feared bowling attack.  Starc is the top wicket taker this series and has made a hell lot of difference.

Lee came of from injury lay off too. and wasn't the bowler which he regularly was. It took him a while. Just FYI.

 

Honeslty, comparison is B.S. Don't know why we are comparing the two knocks. Both are equally good in a tame draw.

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21 hours ago, Cricketics said:

I liked Dravid's double Hundred more from that tour where India won in Adelaide.  Screw Tendulkar's and Cook's double hundred which came in a draw.

The point is whether sachin and cooks double hundreds turned a loss into a draw 

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On 30 December 2017 at 9:07 AM, speedheat said:

You say that now??? its so easy isn't it?? yes that attack was secondary but by no means was pedestrian on their home grounds, brackan and McGill may have flopped but at home they were as good as any at THAT TIME... And lul wut??? No starc isn't saying much?? :hysterical:  guy who got cook twice with shooters , a guy who bowls threatening lines around 145-150k a guy who is a major difference btwn 2 sides wouldn't have made any difference?? :facepalm:

Where did I say Starc wouldn't have made a difference lol

 

i meant that since McGrath and Warne were missing from the 2003/04 attack, not having Starc is covered there 

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18 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said:

The point is whether sachin and cooks double hundreds turned a loss into a draw 

India and Tendulkar batted till day 3 so not sure about whether Tendulkar turned loss into a draw, but Tendulkar and Ganguly both turned 50% historic series victory Down under chance into a draw for sure.

 

 

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48 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said:

Where did I say Starc wouldn't have made a difference lol

 

i meant that since McGrath and Warne were missing from the 2003/04 attack, not having Starc is covered there 

You wrong again not having starc doesn't covers it out as starc is yet to reach McGrath/warns level in testmatches, so I would have rated Cooks inning ahead of sachins if it was scored with starc in Aussie attack.

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Smith And England coach . Media . All labelling pitch cool just scored runs as a disgrace 

 

smith even said flattest track ever played on . It was same on day 1 as day 5 not detoriation at all . This is issue with drop in pitches they don’t detoriate and are awful for cricket

 

so cool scored runs on one of flattest slowest tracks in cricket history . Well done cook lol

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21 hours ago, Cricketics said:

India and Tendulkar batted till day 3 so not sure about whether Tendulkar turned loss into a draw, but Tendulkar and Ganguly both turned 50% historic series victory Down under chance into a draw for sure.

 

 

How declaring earlier would have helped considering that India had to bat again? If anything India scored more runs in first inning which they would had to score in 2nd inning.

 

It's not that Aus were made to follow on and they batted rest of test to save the match. You believe declaring at 500-600 would have magically helped India to dismiss Aus for 300? If Aus had those extra 100-150 runs then they would have saved Adelaide test.

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2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

How declaring earlier would have helped considering that India had to bat again? If anything India scored more runs in first inning which they would have had to score in 2nd inning.

We should have declared by close of play on 2nd day.  If we were batting 2nd and putting on lead over Australia’s total, then it is fine to score 700ish and think about batting just once. But since we are settinf up the match and battinf first, we must look to declare on time around 550-600ish total. 

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9 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

We should have declared by close of play on 2nd day.  If we were batting 2nd and putting on lead over Australia’s total, then it is fine to score 700ish and think about batting just once. But since we are settinf up the match and battinf first, we must look to declare on time around 550-600ish total. 

And how would have 550-600ish helped  India to win the match? India scored 158 runs in last 135 balls of the  inning. They wouldn't have to score that in 2nd inning? If anything they would have take more time to score those runs. Probably 100 balls more.

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56 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

And how would have 550-600ish helped  India to win the match? India scored 158 runs in last 135 balls of the  inning. They wouldn't have to score that in 2nd inning? If anything they would have take more time to score those runs. Probably 100 balls more.

It's about situation. Its different to bowl last 10 overs in the day and make a team bat for those 10 overs after they have been out on the field for two full days and are wanting to go to the hotel. Game is more mental than one thinks. India could have been in a position where they could been a chance. It's if and but situation but these things often make huge difference in test cricket.

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

It's about situation. Its different to bowl last 10 overs in the day and make a team bat for those 10 overs after they have been out on the field for two full days and are wanting to go to the hotel. Game is more mental than one thinks. India could have been in a position where they could been a chance. It's if and but situation but these things often make huge difference in test cricket.

Kumble picked up 12 wickets in the match and other bowlers picked 4 wickets. We lost chance to win because others simply failed to do anything at all. Agarkar and Kartik returned with figures of 0-238 in first inning. Ideally it's good to declare at 550. But Ganguly probably assessed (and rightly) that it was a 450+ pitch and went for extra 200 runs which actually ensured that they don't lose.

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23 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Regardless, bad mentality where you said we will avoid chance of losing a game if we put 700.

Bad Mentality.

 

 

 

It actually gave India chance to win the match.

 

Partnership between Gillespie and Katich hurt us most.

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2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

It actually gave India chance to win the match.

 

Partnership between Gillespie and Katich hurt us most.

Indeed. We had one foot through the door when we had AUS 6 down on Day 3. We even got Lee out early on day 4 and looked good for a 300+ lead. And then that partnership happened :mad:.

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The biggest reason why dada didn't declare early was because of what happened in Adelaide,australia scored 400 runs in the first day ,now imagine the same situation where India declares at 550-600 and australia whacks 400/5 at the end of day 3 ,then what? India would have panicked 

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14 minutes ago, adi B said:

The biggest reason why dada didn't declare early was because of what happened in Adelaide,australia scored 400 runs in the first day ,now imagine the same situation where India declares at 550-600 and australia whacks 400/5 at the end of day 3 ,then what? India would have panicked 

Even Aus hadn't scored 400 in a day, and India had bowled very well to dismiss that ATG aussie line up for 350-400 in first inning, Indian team would have to still score those 150 extra runs in 2nd inning. They batted at 4 RPO in 2nd inning while they scored those extra 150 at 7 RPO in first inning.

 

England declared at 550-6 at Adelaide in 2007 Ashes and when Aus closed them in, they folded to Warne in 2nd inning. Even in same series, Aus were left nowhere with just 30 runs lead. They had to start fresh in 2nd inning on crumbling pitch and were bowled out for 196. 

 

If India had taken 35-40 overs to score that 150-160 then it would have been an issue, but in this case it wasn't exactly hurt the team.

Ganguly would have to take tough declaration decision at some point of game, especially in 2nd inning if we were looking to post big total.

 

This situation is not comparable to Indian conditions where captains are confident of the abilites of 2 spinners to give a big lead with 550 on board and then defend anything above 250 in 4th inning where pitch is predicted to crumble completely on day 5.

 

Anyway it was very poor bowling performance with other bowlers  failing to pick 8 wickets. 3 bowlers 2 innings 8 wickets was just poor.

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India should have taken some risks and carried on and on as they  they could into the 3rd day.By the close of 2nd day they were 650 for 5.On the 3rd day both Sachin and Parthiv added 55 runs in just 7.3 overs before Parthiv got out.Still there were Irfan,Kumble,Agarkar to give support to Sachin.At that point of time , instead of sending 'all at sea' Agarkar to company Sachin, Ganguly should have send left hander Irfan to support Sachin and should have scored as much runs as possible in the 1st inns itself.Then taking a chance and making AUS follow on was the need of the hour.But as it turned out to be,a golden oppertunity was wasted.

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7 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Indeed. We had one foot through the door when we had AUS 6 down on Day 3. We even got Lee out early on day 4 and looked good for a 300+ lead. And then that partnership happened :mad:.

Parthiv dropped Gillespie to make what followed to happen

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3 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

India should have taken some risks and carried on and on as they  they could into the 3rd day.By the close of 2nd day they were 650 for 5.On the 3rd day both Sachin and Parthiv added 55 runs in just 7.3 overs before Parthiv got out.Still there were Irfan,Kumble,Agarkar to give support to Sachin.At that point of time , instead of sending 'all at sea' Agarkar to company Sachin, Ganguly should have send left hander Irfan to support Sachin and should have scored as much runs as possible in the 1st inns itself.Then taking a chance and making AUS follow on was the need of the hour.But as it turned out to be,a golden oppertunity was wasted.

Then in that case India would have risked bowlers bowling non-stop for 2 and half days. They would have no energy left on day 5.

 

Considering that India were left with 90 runs ahead with 4 wickets to take at the end of day 5, it was as closest he could have got to a correct declaration. 50 runs less, and 10 overs more for Aussies India would have been looking for save the defeat. 

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Gillespie after Lillee amd McGrath is one of Australia’s greatest ever seamers, he’s definitely better than Hazelwood based on current evidence.

 

Macgill was nearly as good as Shane Warne FFS, no competition between him and Lyon

 

Lee better than Cummins based on current evidence, certainly a lot quicker 

 

Bracken and Bird about the same 

 

Aus in 2004 had ATG batting lineup which adds to your pressure whenever batting, and were most feared team in the world, current Aus team are hit and miss 

 

Sachin’s performance came with series on the line and almost series’s winning knock, Cooks came after pressure off and series over. Ask McGrath and Warne who they’d rather bowl against

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7 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

 

Sachin’s performance came with series on the line and almost series’s winning knock, Cooks came after pressure off and series over. Ask McGrath and Warne who they’d rather bowl against

:cantstop: His career was on the line.. He delivered and saved his career there. He couldn't even cross 250 in his whole life while cook did it on multiple occasions..

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50 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

:cantstop: His career was on the line.. He delivered and saved his career there. He couldn't even cross 250 in his whole life while cook did it on multiple occasions..

Lol...when your career is on the line, you have nothing to lose. Chris Gayle has crossed 300 twice, what's your point? 

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23 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Lol...when your career is on the line, you have nothing to lose. Chris Gayle has crossed 300 twice, what's your point? 

He wasn't doing that great lately and he had point to prove and yes if he failed they would have dropped him. Pressure was on him. What about Gayle ? He is a beast and can down anyone on his day.. Point was Cook has better innings(250+) thought out his Test career. This one ranks up there because of timing and the way it was delivered. Guy almost outscored the whole opposition Team Compared to that 241 innings where laxman had 178 and good few innings from Rest.. No need to be so touchy about your "Ailiaaa". Cook innings was 10x better 

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42 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

He wasn't doing that great lately and he had point to prove and yes if he failed they would have dropped him. Pressure was on him. What about Gayle ? He is a beast and can down anyone on his day.. Point was Cook has better innings(250+) thought out his Test career. This one ranks up there because of timing and the way it was delivered. Guy almost outscored the whole opposition Team Compared to that 241 innings where laxman had 178 and good few innings from Rest.. No need to be so touchy about your "Ailiaaa". Cook innings was 10x better 

lol, gets progressively worse with each post. ICC just declared the MCG pitch a certified patta:

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21938799/mcg-pitch-rated-poor-icc

 

Shami and Jimmy Anderson capable of achieving milestones on such tracks e.g. Trent Bridge 2014. If you have any understanding of cricket, you can make the above call without the need for ICC certification instead of using it to prove how A. Cook is comparable to ATGs. 

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Both weren't their best knocks but I'll give it Sachin for the fact that he didn't play the cover drive. However Cook played those drivers amazingly. 

 

I'll go with Tendulkar but really India shouldn't have reached 7/705d and should have declared earlier. 

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44 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

lol, gets progressively worse with each post. ICC just declared the MCG pitch a certified patta:

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21938799/mcg-pitch-rated-poor-icc

 

Shami and Jimmy Anderson capable of achieving milestones on such tracks e.g. Trent Bridge 2014. If you have any understanding of cricket, you can make the above call without the need for ICC certification instead of using it to prove how A. Cook is comparable to ATGs. 

Anything to defend his Ailiaaa now:cantstop: so it's a  patta where whole Aus team couldn't even score 330.. compared to 700+ on a landmine sachin batted on.

 

Even pappu Patel scored a 60 in a match where your Ailiaaa had his 200 on biggest patta..  Total ended up being 700+ 

 

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Just now, Rasgulla said:

Anything to defend his Ailiaaa now:cantstop: so it's a  patta where whole Aus team couldn't even score 330.. compared to 700+ on a landmine sachin batted on.

 

Even pappu Patel scored a 60 in a match where your Ailiaaa had his 200 on biggest patta..  Total ended up being 700+ 

 

Pappu Patel is a decent player of pace bowling, opinion widely held. How did Aus team do in their second innings on that Patta? ICC just gave MCG a fine for it being a patta...I'm waiting for the day when will basic facts penetrate your blood/brain barrier

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7 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Pappu Patel is a decent player of pace bowling, opinion widely held. How did Aus team do in their second innings on that Patta? ICC just gave MCG a fine for it being a patta...I'm waiting for the day when will basic facts penetrate your blood/brain barrier

My friend, discuss cricket with your dog he I'll have better idea than a fool above you with whom you are discussing it. :laugh:

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9 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Pappu Patel is a decent player of pace bowling, opinion widely held. How did Aus team do in their second innings on that Patta? ICC just gave MCG a fine for it being a patta...I'm waiting for the day when will basic facts penetrate your blood/brain barrier

Ohh so that one is a patta but :cantstop:  700+ India scored on isn't.. What was the result of that match ? And second innings score of India ? ICC fines even for smiling these days compared to those old days.. 

 

1st and 2nd  innings : 

589/14 - its a patta

916/9 - ohh no no no my ailiaa batted on mine.. never a patta :cantstop:

 

 

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IMO, they were both rather irrelevant and ugly (by Tendy's standards) innings compared to the much better knocks that both these batsmen have played.

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