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  1. 1. Who was the better India captain: Ganguly or Dhoni?



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Let me make the case in either direction:


Ganguly

 

For 

 

1. Helped introduce/nurture multiple Indian ATGs: Harbhajan, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer

2. World Cup 2003 Finalist in unfamiliar conditions overseas

3. ICC Champions Trophy co winner 

4. Defeated one of the best test sides ever 2-1 in 2001

5. Competitive overseas in tests: did well in England 2002 and Aus 2003

6. Retired with dignity 

7. Better batsmen 

8. Good tactician in tests 

9. Left team Indian cricket in healthier condition than he found it 

 

Against

 

1. No World Cup Trophy 

2. Batting tended to decline under captaincy

3. Poor standards of out fielding/running between the wickets and did not lead by example

 

Dhoni

 

For

 

1. World Cup winner on home soil 

2. Excellent record in tests at home

3. Made WK/batting a prominent role in indian cricket 

4. Ushered in Indian era of fearless batting 

5. Helped India get rid of their nervousness at climatic stages in ODIs

6. Won overseas series vs NZ and drew vs South Africa

7. Better all-round player 

8. Astute tactician in LOIs

9. Guided India's improvement in ground fielding/running between the wickets

 

Against 

 

1. Reduced Indian fast bowling to dark ages 

2. Reduced Indian test cricket overseas to the dark ages (4-0 loss in England, 4-0 Loss in Australia, 3-1 loss in England)

3. Failed to adequately nurture some of the best talents in Indian cricket: Irfan, Rohit, Sreesanth, RP Singh, Ishant 

4. Very political 

5. Reduced status of test cricket in India 

6. Delaying long overdue retirement, holding back next generation of cricketers 

7. Clueless tactician in tests

8. Left Indian cricket in worse condition than he found it 

9. Oversaw decline in Indian slip fielding 

 

I welcome any points I missed 

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10 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Against

 

1. No World Cup Trophy 

2. Batting tended to decline under captaincy

3. Poor standards of out fielding/running between the wickets and did not lead by example

 

1. Team game

2. Everyone's player declines with age.. Unless you are awful captain like sachin no excuses there..

3. How is that his fault ? He got sachin,nehra and few other cricketers who are poor in field in general.. With Yuvi and kaif coming in as youngsters it kind of changed.

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4 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Apologies if this post in anyway undermines your hero MSD. Just waiting for you to bring Sachin into this post that has nothing to do with Sachin. 

Why he is not a player ? He was part of squad.If thats what you want...Wish fullfilled..

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Will choose Dhoni as Odi captain and none in test cricket. Ganguly dnt warrent a place in all time test 11 as player 1st ....so he cant be the captain

 

Rest some point are blatnetly wrong 

 

 

dhoni- 

  • Kohli, dhawan, rohit, bhuvi, ashwin, jadeja, vijay, pandya, bumrah, raina.........introduced or nurtured....

where is this point. 

  • Slip fielding cant be put on captain.......thats a cultural change in fielding 
  • Cant blame sreesanth, irfan , rp  had attitude isssue on dhoni.
  • Rohit was made a Odi beast his decision n backing
  • How do u blame ishant problem on him, ishant changed his action n wrist position 
  • Made tough calls to drop many seniors

 

 

Infact had rahul been under him he wud have gotten far more proper chances 

 

Against ganguly

  • He was damn political, the whole chappell saga (wo koi dhudh ka dhula nhin tha)
  • Ganguly retired with diginty, No .....he retired with a grudge
  • Better batsman then whom?????
  • Bought a better culture in Indian cricket of senior n junior 
  • Emphasis on foreign coaches which was very important at that time
  • Made dravid a keeper which i think helped his batting 
  • Help us develop an attitude to look in the eye of the opposition 
  • Add dhoni, nehra name in that list of player given a chance by ganguly 

 

Yuvraj n dhoni nurturing credit shud also go to chappell n dravid. 

Bumrah , pandya have been well backed n continued under kohli as well . 

 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Let me make the case in either direction:


Ganguly

 

For 

 

1. Helped introduce/nurture multiple Indian ATGs: Harbhajan, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer

2. World Cup 2003 Finalist in unfamiliar conditions overseas

3. ICC Champions Trophy co winner 

4. Defeated one of the best test sides ever 2-1 in 2001

5. Competitive overseas in tests: did well in England 2002 and Aus 2003

6. Retired with dignity 

7. Better batsmen 

8. Good tactician in tests 

9. Left team Indian cricket in healthier condition than he found it 

 

Against

 

1. No World Cup Trophy 

2. Batting tended to decline under captaincy

3. Poor standards of out fielding/running between the wickets and did not lead by example

 

Dhoni

 

For

 

1. World Cup winner on home soil 

2. Excellent record in tests at home

3. Made WK/batting a prominent role in indian cricket 

4. Ushered in Indian era of fearless batting 

5. Helped India get rid of their nervousness at climatic stages in ODIs

6. Won overseas series vs NZ and drew vs South Africa

7. Better all-round player 

8. Astute tactician in LOIs

9. Guided India's improvement in ground fielding/running between the wickets

 

Against 

 

1. Reduced Indian fast bowling to dark ages 

2. Reduced Indian test cricket overseas to the dark ages (4-0 loss in England, 4-0 Loss in Australia, 3-1 loss in England)

3. Failed to adequately nurture some of the best talents in Indian cricket: Irfan, Rohit, Sreesanth, RP Singh, Ishant 

4. Very political 

5. Reduced status of test cricket in India 

6. Delaying long overdue retirement, holding back next generation of cricketers 

7. Clueless tactician in tests

8. Left Indian cricket in worse condition than he found it 

9. Oversaw decline in Indian slip fielding 

 

I welcome any points I missed 

Most of those against Dhoni are subjective. 

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12 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Why he is not a player ? He was part of squad.If thats what you want...Wish fullfilled..

yeah he is a player, but theres a concept called 'staying on topic' and not drifting on tangential points. That's why forums have separate threads. 

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35 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Against 

 

1. Reduced Indian fast bowling to dark ages 

2. Reduced Indian test cricket overseas to the dark ages (4-0 loss in England, 4-0 Loss in Australia, 3-1 loss in England)

3. Failed to adequately nurture some of the best talents in Indian cricket: Irfan, Rohit, Sreesanth, RP Singh, Ishant 

4. Very political 

5. Reduced status of test cricket in India 

6. Delaying long overdue retirement, holding back next generation of cricketers 

7. Clueless tactician in tests

8. Left Indian cricket in worse condition than he found it 

9. Oversaw decline in Indian slip fielding 

1. What exactly has he done to reduce fast bowling ? Can't really help if you have players like Umesh yadav and Varun Aaron who leaks runs at consistent rate.. than picking wicks. 

 

2. Having old players like sachin and few others doesn't help him.. past by expiry date still doesn't want to leave the squad.. Once they were finally shown the door.. It takes time for Dhawan, Rohit, kohli, pujara, Rahane and rest to settle.

 

3. Poor Irfan was kicked around by Chappell saab.. Sree was part of WC2011 squad after that he got into his fixing thing. RP did well in 2007T20WC and Rohit life was changed after Dhoni promoted him to no.1 in ODIs.. Ridiculous point.. It's like me asking why didn't saurab improve mongia :cantstop: 

 

4. Indeed gave way too much time for Oldies to settle to fulfill their personal milestones.. should gave kicked them out earlier

 

5. Yep he was the reason for Tsunami and Earthquakes as well.

 

6. Holding back mighty players like pant who aren't even ready to even make it into A squad yet..

 

7. So clueless that he was the first ever captain to take India to #1 in Tests

 

8. When he took over India had 1 WC.. When he left India has All ICC trophies.. Every team fans dream of this so called  "worse condition"

 

9. Yep he puts butter in Kohli's and Dhawan's hand.. Still didn't under till day why he does such a thing..

 

 

This guy is hilarious:phehe:

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Ganguly used to back his players well, however Dhoni in his prime as captain was more shrewd than anyone I have seen and in particular more attentive. I missed that part of Dhoni's captaincy in the later stages of his career but he was really innovative in the first part of his captaincy career.

 

Ganguly had his principles and no no eff attitude which might sound smart and handsome like keeping Steve Waugh waiting for the toss, but to me was pathetic attitude for an international captain, and it reeks of grudge filled attitude from Ganguly.

Dhoni in this way I felt must have been better and probably did not show any grudge ever and must have been more easy to approach.

 

Dhoni in his prime is ahead for me over Ganguly.

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23 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Will choose Dhoni as Odi captain and none in test cricket. Ganguly dnt warrent a place in all time test 11 as player 1st ....so he cant be the captain

 

Rest some point are blatnetly wrong 

 

 

dhoni- 

  • Kohli, dhawan, rohit, bhuvi, ashwin, jadeja, vijay, pandya, bumrah, raina.........introduced or nurtured....

where is this point. 

  • Slip fielding cant be put on captain.......thats a cultural change in fielding 
  • Cant blame sreesanth, irfan , rp  had attitude isssue on dhoni.
  • Rohit was made a Odi beast his decision n backing
  • How do u blame ishant problem on him, ishant changed his action n wrist position 
  • Made tough calls to drop many seniors

 

if above is true, you're basically you're saying there is no point in a captain? Its just a token position. 


In spite of Rohit's good ODI performances, the Indian cricket fraternity expected him to be so much more and to this day remains a talent unfulfilled.  

 

I think Kohli developed in spite of Dhoni, not because of him. With Kohli's attitude and dedication, would have even developed under Azhar. 

 

Ganguly's students all praise him and attribute their success to him. 

Don't see similar praise for Dhoni. 

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Just now, mancalledsting said:

 

if above is true, you're basically you're saying there is no point in a captain? Its just a token position. 

In some cases yes

Sreesanth was an A-grade idiot under anyone. shud i show clips under yuvraj singh in IPL, he was caught in spot fixing under dravid
One thing was comman he himself for an A-grade idiot

 

RP- he gained weight, dhoni emphasised on fitness. Now if Safraz gains fitness wud u blame kohli

 

Just now, mancalledsting said:


In spite of Rohit's good ODI performances, the Indian cricket fraternity expected him to be so much more. 

So dhoni wasnt suppouse to teach him bat, if u give him a gaali for rohit then give him credit to make kohli a world beater. So BS

Kohli made himself what he is and so did rohit, captain job is to give chances n confidence which was given same to both 

Uske aage player pe hai 

Just now, mancalledsting said:

I think Kohli developed in spite of Dhoni, not because of him. With Kohli's attitude and dedication, would have even developed under Azhar. 

Any player will do well if he has the will

Just now, mancalledsting said:

Ganguly's students all praise him and attribute their success to him. 

Don't see similar praise for Dhoni. 

Please go n check ur facts then ........

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In some cases yes

Sreesanth was an A-grade idiot under anyone. shud i show clips under yuvraj singh in IPL, he was caught in spot fixing under dravid
One thing was comman he himself for an A-grade idiot

 

RP- he gained weight, dhoni emphasised on fitness. Now if Safraz gains fitness wud u blame kohli

 

So dhoni wasnt suppouse to teach him bat, if u give him a gaali for rohit then give him credit to make kohli a world beater. So BS

Kohli made himself what he is and so did rohit, captain job is to give chances n confidence which was given same to both 

Uske aage player pe hai 

Any player will do well if he has the will

Please go n check ur facts then ........

Sreesanth under Dravid did well, part of captaincy is managing your big personalities. 


RP was a gun bowler, how could we let him waste away?

 

I already acknowledge that Dhoni gave Team India calmness in clutch moments in ODIs. Apart from politics, what else can Dhoni possibly teach Kohli? Can my grade 9 maths teach teach Stephen Hawking? Look at the calibre of the two batsmen FFS!

 

please provide some facts, political statements by players like Yuz Chahal who want to further their own careers when they've barely known Dhoni for two days aside. 

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3 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

His biggest student said this about him..

 

tendulkar-about-doni.jpg

Sachin grudges Ganguly's captaincy cos the latter was a terrific captain in comparison. Dhoni belongs to a diff gen hence the praise. 

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Just now, mancalledsting said:

Sreesanth under Dravid did well, part of captaincy is managing your big personalities. 

Did well , that was start....so he had to be a lil calm

Under dravid only he was caught for spot fixing in IPL 

Just now, mancalledsting said:


RP was a gun bowler, how could we let him waste away?

We have wasted many, a part was the problem of system part themselves

Indian fast bowling culture is getting better now as with IPL new bowlers are learning the proper diet, fitness ways. 

 

India never had fast bowling culture so many lost its way coz we didnt knew how to groom them. 

 

Just now, mancalledsting said:

 

I already acknowledge that Dhoni gave Team India calmness in clutch moments in ODIs. Apart from politics, what else can Dhoni possibly teach Kohli? Can my grade 9 maths teach teach Stephen Hawking? Look at the calibre of the two batsmen FFS!

Kohli was about to be dropped by selectors in 2012 tour down under and thats were he backed by dhoni and after that his career changed 

 

Btw ho gaya agenda post

I have a request this is quite a healthy debate that shud be handled by people with no agenda. 

I request u to stay out of it 

Just now, mancalledsting said:

please provide some facts, political statements by players like Yuz Chahal who want to further their own careers when they've barely known Dhoni for two days aside. 

See thats ur issue when people under ganguly its praise and people does for dhoni its PR

U dnt have to be captain to help players as senior u can do that, tendulkar did that for years he was no captain

 

I request such good topic shud be handled with no biasness .....so stay away from making such threads. There are enough good posters here let them do it 

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9 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Sreesanth under Dravid did well, part of captaincy is managing your big personalities

Dravid was captain... When sreesanth fixed matches. Not sure what exactly he "did well"

9 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

what else can Dhoni possibly teach Kohli? Can my grade 9 maths teach teach Stephen Hawking?

Compare this statement to your pathetic first post.. Is Ganguly  Stephen hawkings then ? 

 

9 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Yuz Chahal who want to further their own careers when they've barely known Dhoni for two days aside. 

So you ll tell us how much chahal knows Dhoni now.. He debuted under Dhoni and still playing in the team over 1 and half years. LoL

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3 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

Sachin grudges Ganguly's captaincy cos the latter was a terrific captain in comparison. Dhoni belongs to a diff gen hence the praise. 

So are you trying to say sachin was jealous of Saurab's captaincy skills? This is something I totally agree about.. He is master politician as well who always backed Mumbai players.

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15 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

1. What exactly has he done to reduce fast bowling ? Can't really help if you have players like Umesh yadav and Varun Aaron who leaks runs at consistent rate.. than picking wicks. 

Fast bowling improved/remained strong under Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble then suddenly dipped under MSD. Now suddenly picked up again under Kohli. I take it spotting trends is not your strong point. 

2. Having old players like sachin and few others doesn't help him.. past by expiry date still doesn't want to leave the squad.. Once they were finally shown the door.. It takes time for Dhawan, Rohit, kohli, pujara, Rahane and rest to settle.

Having old players like Zaheer, Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, VVS was the only reason Dhoni ever achieved success in his early days. Zaheer was the captain of the bowling attack, MSD used to defer decisions to him.

3. Poor Irfan was kicked around by Chappell saab.. Sree was part of WC2011 squad after that he got into his fixing thing. RP did well in 2007T20WC and Rohit life was changed after Dhoni promoted him to no.1 in ODIs.. Ridiculous point.. It's like me asking why didn't saurab improve mongia :cantstop: 

How was Irfan kicked around by Chapell? when Dhoni took over, there was no Chapell. actually would be more blaming Dhoni for not developing Stuart Binny, which I never did. 

4. Indeed gave way too much time for Oldies to settle to fulfill their personal milestones.. should gave kicked them out earlier

yeah and should have continued backing gun players like Raina, D Karthik, S Binny instead

5. Yep he was the reason for Tsunami and Earthquakes as well.

 

6. Holding back mighty players like pant who aren't even ready to even make it into A squad yet..

Like I said in another post, your obsessed with any rival to MSD. 

7. So clueless that he was the first ever captain to take India to #1 in Tests

Largely based on decline of Australia and quality pre existing test players

8. When he took over India had 1 WC.. When he left India has All ICC trophies.. Every team fans dream of this so called  "worse condition"

this is only Bangladeshi fans dream, real cricket fans have aspirations for test cricket 

9. Yep he puts butter in Kohli's and Dhawan's hand.. Still didn't under till day why he does such a thing..

 

 

This guy is hilarious:phehe:

 

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4 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Dravid was captain... When sreesanth fixed matches. Not sure what exactly he "did well"

Compare this statement to your pathetic first post.. Is Ganguly  Stephen hawkings then ? 

 

So you ll tell us how there relationship is.. He debuted under Dhoni and still playing in the team over 1 and half years. LoL

first ever test match victory in South Africa- quite good fixing under Dravid. 

 

yes indeed, correction sustained, Yuz Chahal debuted under MSD against the mighty Zimbabwe. Thank God MSD was there to hold his hand against a team that wouldn't even be competitive in our Ranji Trophy. 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10638/scorecard/1007649/zimbabwe-vs-india-1st-odi-india-tour-of-zimbabwe-2016/

 

Kohli relative to Dhoni is Stephen hawking with grade 9 maths teacher. 

 

same relative disparity doesn't exist between Ganguly vs Yuvi, Sehwag, Zak, Bhaji

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11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Did well , that was start....so he had to be a lil calm

Under dravid only he was caught for spot fixing in IPL 

We have wasted many, a part was the problem of system part themselves

Indian fast bowling culture is getting better now as with IPL new bowlers are learning the proper diet, fitness ways. 

 

India never had fast bowling culture so many lost its way coz we didnt knew how to groom them. 

 

Kohli was about to be dropped by selectors in 2012 tour down under and thats were he backed by dhoni and after that his career changed 

 

Btw ho gaya agenda post

I have a request this is quite a healthy debate that shud be handled by people with no agenda. 

I request u to stay out of it 

See thats ur issue when people under ganguly its praise and people does for dhoni its PR

U dnt have to be captain to help players as senior u can do that, tendulkar did that for years he was no captain

 

I request such good topic shud be handled with no biasness .....so stay away from making such threads. There are enough good posters here let them do it 

ok no problems. Well said. I'll let the learned and objective CSK fans take things further from here. 

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2 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Fast bowling improved/remained strong under Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble then suddenly dipped under MSD. Now suddenly picked up again under Kohli. I take it spotting trends is not your strong point. 

How exactly  did it improve ? Last time I checked "improved fast bowling" can't even single series in RSA or Aus under any if them captains.. Dhoni won a series in NZ, Drew in RSA and whitewashed Aus at home.. Can't talk about kohli Overseas series just started. Reality is no captain can do anything unless you have good Bowling overseas.. 

 

5 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Having old players like Zaheer, Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, VVS was the only reason Dhoni ever achieved success in his early days. Zaheer was the captain of the bowling attack, MSD used to defer decisions to him

Ohh Zaheer was the captain then:cantstop: He was part of those whitewashes in ENG and Aus by the way Lol.. so we its him that we should blame for 2011 series and all that.. 

 

I think Ashwin is the captain of Kohli's bowling attack right now by that logic.. 

 

9 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

How was Irfan kicked around by Chapell? when Dhoni took over, there was no Chapell. actually would be more blaming Dhoni for not developing Stuart Binny, which I never did. 

Irfan didn't debut under Dhoni lol.. He first came in as a bowler then converted into an all-rounder. Opened the innings, #3, #4 And on and on. He was kicked around by Chappell like football under Ganguly and Dravid. I wouldn't be surprised if you blamed dhoni for binny.. I can expect anything of you after reading your points.

 

13 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

yeah and should have continued backing gun players like Raina, D Karthik, S Binny instead

He even backed kohli, Rohit, Rahane, Vijay, pujara, Ashwin and jaddu who are still playing cricket after 3 years in Tests.. your point ? 

14 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Like I said in another post, your obsessed with any rival to MSD

There is no rival.. There was replacement for sachin.. Never will be for Dhoni lol 

 

15 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Largely based on decline of Australia and quality pre existing test players

Lol.. by that logic even the once we lost to were better teams than us.. You can't swing your tounge both ways according to your convenience

 

16 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

this is only Bangladeshi fans dream, real cricket fans have aspirations for test cricket 

 They wish they were #1 in Tests... They do have aspirarions and  they are improving.. That they beat England recently..compared to some past some players boosted their averages upon by scoring 200 against that team..

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

first ever test match victory in South Africa- quite good fixing under Dravid. 

Thread was more comparable to Ganguly vs Dravid more than anything.... SERIES I said.. We won a series in NZ.. where Ganguly got whitewashed. We got knocked out in 2007 wc under Dravid..This ain't Dravid vs Dhoni thread by the way.

 

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yes indeed, correction sustained, Yuz Chahal debuted under MSD against the mighty Zimbabwe. Thank God MSD was there to hold his hand against a team that wouldn't even be competitive in our Ranji Trophy. 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10638/scorecard/1007649/zimbabwe-vs-india-1st-odi-india-tour-of-zimbabwe-2016/

He played under him for other series as well.. Even in his last ODI series as captain vs NZ.. MIGHTY NZ lol

 

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Kohli relative to Dhoni is Stephen hawking with grade 9 maths teacher. 

Not sure what Kohli has anything to do with this and this guy talks about how his Ailiaa shouldn't be brought up for getting whitewashed at home against RSA.. 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Will choose Dhoni as Odi captain and none in test cricket. Ganguly dnt warrent a place in all time test 11 as player 1st ....so he cant be the captain

 

Rest some point are blatnetly wrong 

 

 

dhoni- 

  • Kohli, dhawan, rohit, bhuvi, ashwin, jadeja, vijay, pandya, bumrah, raina.........introduced or nurtured....

where is this point. 

  • Slip fielding cant be put on captain.......thats a cultural change in fielding 
  • Cant blame sreesanth, irfan , rp  had attitude isssue on dhoni.
  • Rohit was made a Odi beast his decision n backing
  • How do u blame ishant problem on him, ishant changed his action n wrist position 
  • Made tough calls to drop many seniors

 

 

Infact had rahul been under him he wud have gotten far more proper chances 

 

Against ganguly

  • He was damn political, the whole chappell saga (wo koi dhudh ka dhula nhin tha)
  • Ganguly retired with diginty, No .....he retired with a grudge
  • Better batsman then whom?????
  • Bought a better culture in Indian cricket of senior n junior 
  • Emphasis on foreign coaches which was very important at that time
  • Made dravid a keeper which i think helped his batting 
  • Help us develop an attitude to look in the eye of the opposition 
  • Add dhoni, nehra name in that list of player given a chance by ganguly 

 

Yuvraj n dhoni nurturing credit shud also go to chappell n dravid. 

Bumrah , pandya have been well backed n continued under kohli as well . 

 

 

 

 

Wah beta jo bhi achey player bane to dhoni ne usko banya aur dhoni ka decision tha aur jo bhi bekar nikal gaye wo players ki khud ki vajah se nikaley......typical hypocracy. Bhai tu chor de usko uske haal pe, tu aise hi usko endorse karta raha to wo uski lutiya dub jayegi

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1 hour ago, mancalledsting said:

 

lot of them widely agreed upon by commentators/experts outside of BCCI/Srni mama chamcha circle

Which experts?

 

Who has rated him more political than any other Indian captain?

 

Whose retirement did he delay?

 

Reduced fast bowling to dark ages? Yadav, Shami and Bhuvi all became permanent under him. He backed Pandya to international cricket.

 

He made best spinner duo of world cricket who were labelled as CSK quota. Now we are seeing the benefits of those. 

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Dhoni in ODIs

 

Dhoni started off as awesome in tests and then just deteriorated around 2010. He used to being fresh ideas and that test match where he choked Australia was impressive. It all starters in centurion in 2010 when he kept bowling Suresh raina over after over. He gave up I think 77 runs in 7 overs that day. I think he lost interest in test cricket around 2011 but still kept doing the same inane things despite losing over and over again and statements like overseas matches are like practice matches don't help your case either. Oh and I also don't like it when a captain blames a non csk bowler in a international match press conference. That's not a good thing. Keep that trash for IPL.

 

Edit: 2010 was also that incident with Sreesanth that may have very well denied us our first series victory in South Africa.

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3 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Wah beta jo bhi achey player bane to dhoni ne usko banya aur dhoni ka decision tha aur jo bhi bekar nikal gaye wo players ki khud ki vajah se nikaley......typical hypocracy. Bhai tu chor de usko uske haal pe, tu aise hi usko endorse karta raha to wo uski lutiya dub jayegi

Dhoni ne Kohli ko bachpan mein bhi doodh peeta sikhaya tha - Ankit chamcha

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7 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Wah beta jo bhi achey player bane to dhoni ne usko banya aur dhoni ka decision tha aur jo bhi bekar nikal gaye wo players ki khud ki vajah se nikaley......typical hypocracy. Bhai tu chor de usko uske haal pe, tu aise hi usko endorse karta raha to wo uski lutiya dub jayegi

On topic ganguli was visionary and op rightly mentioned Dhoni brought calmness and ability to win in clutch situation also he was the most luckiest captain around his time frame. So ganguly was better leader and better captain in test And dhoni was better in odi.

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 @Ankit_sharma03 bhai...these threads are a sh ithole...they just want sadistic pleasure from it...there is no logic...so do not fall into the trap and lose sanity...I actually feel now that @Rasgulla is not wrong when he responds to these chapadganjus... its just agenda and the usual suspects will gang up and turn it into a circlejerk... they will continue untill you agree with their hate or leave...thats the strategy...

'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.' - Mark Twain 

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29 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

we'll let the voters on the poll decide

You mean we ll let sachin chamchas/anti brigade decide the poll:cantstop: open  sachin vs pointing captaincy thread.. sachin will win by 20 votes minimum..:giggle:

 

Mancalledsting - Your points explain everything.. 3 vs 9( lot of rubbish ofcouse) Lol 

 

Laaloo - troll mod..biggest chamcha ever next to "New guy" only..

 

Manaic - gets triggered when "Aiiliaa" name gets mentioned..

 

King Tendulkar - That name explains it all

 

Express, Mosher - Phasttt.. :cantstop: yadav fans who feels he was humiliated during Dhoni era.. Gets benched by Kohli regularly which is another day discussion

 

Slowheat - software operated doesn't even count

 

Lannister - wants India to lose recently cause his karnataka player "Rahul" wasn't selected.. Officially pledged his support for RSA.. Holds a grudge that ranji legend vinay kumar wasn't selected back in those days..

 

Mccricket, kira, raki, Khota bhai... List is long enough. Pointless poll :phehe: Easily predictable..

 

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