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I simply, I can't understand why he is being targeted, when the rest of the players lack technique and get out .

 

Pujara is the only player at the moment, who looks soild and playing well.High time these T20 crowd is told that this is test match not a T20 match -_-

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4 minutes ago, Stuge said:

I simply, I can't understand why he is being targeted, when the rest of the players lack technique and get out .

 

Pujara is the only player at the moment, who looks soild and playing well.High time these T20 crowd is told that this is test match not a T20 match -_-

Because he is lacking impact and game changing performance like Dhawan and Rohit.

 

Would be worse if he gets out in 50s on tough pitch like Rahul. Would be blamed for missing out on 100s.

 

It's a lose lose situation.

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7 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Because he is lacking impact and game changing performance like Dhawan and Rohit.

 

Would be worse if he gets out in 50s on tough pitch like Rahul. Would be blamed for missing out on 100s.

 

It's a lose lose situation.

He never throws bat around even in India .He is doing what he does best .

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one of the commentators, i can't recall who , perhaps Haysman, said Pujara, though working well to his own gameplan, can by going into his shell, adversely impact his batting partner. 

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1 minute ago, Captain said:

Could you be more specific about the commentary team that's criticizing him? I've been watching Sky Cricket and haven't heard any negative remark about him so far.

 

I can't imagine any commentator with working brain cells criticizing him.

From cricinfo to commies in English on Ten sports  ..I heard them saying he is stuck and needs to change gear .

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5 minutes ago, Stuge said:

From cricinfo to commies in English on Ten sports  ..I heard them saying he is stuck and needs to change gear .

Cricinfo publishes comments to flare up emotions. They like "DRAMA". Ignore them.

 

Below is a comment by Cricbuzz

 

There's a reason most cricketing experts and those who understand the game deeply, who opine that Pujara is the best Test batsman in this line-up. If there was any doubt about that - then you can erase that from memory - after watching today's stonewalling against a fearsome quartet bowling "rockets" in Graeme Smith's words. Just 48 runs in that session and if India have just lost one wicket, then it is due to the technique, character, patience and mental fortitude shown by Pujara. Wouldn't have played a more tougher innings in his Test career till date.

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10 minutes ago, goose said:

one of the commentators, i can't recall who , perhaps Haysman, said Pujara, though working well to his own gameplan, can by going into his shell, adversely impact his batting partner. 

I thought it was some Indian commentator. If not then we shouldn't care. 

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7 minutes ago, sm332 said:

And now hangs out his bat - reminds me a lot of Dravid at times. Is able to bat time but then a ball will come along and do him in

true ,anyways not only about pujara ,we will achieve in this series if we just dead bat everything without intention of scoring

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With pujara overseas . He stays in well defensively.

 

but lacks scoring options . And so gets massively bogged down . In India teams quickly for obvious reasons bowl spin and lots of it , pujara master v spin 

 

overseas it’s seamers more seamers . He has no real bread and butter shot to keep runs ticking apart from flick of legs . No drives , square cut for example . Needs to be slightly more positive with maybe playing square cut sometimes which he is decent at but overseas does not seem to play 

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Just now, King Tendulkar said:

With pujara overseas . He stays in well defensively.

 

but lacks scoring options . And so gets massively bogged down . In India teams quickly for obvious reasons bowl spin and lots of it , pujara master v spin 

 

overseas it’s seamers more seamers . He has no real bread and butter shot to keep runs ticking apart from flick of legs . No drives , square cut for example . Needs to be slightly more positive with maybe playing square cut sometimes which he is decent at but overseas does not seem to play 

he reminds me of the older version of dravid (first 3-4 yrs of his career) which most have forgotten by now.

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he does tend to struggle finding gaps overseas, but today that argument does not hold any credence. which idiot would berate pujara when the "full -on swagger chaaps" like kohli, dhawan, rohit all managed to collectively score less than pandya, a newcomer to these conditions? he was practically trying to save india from a bloodbath single handedly, which is commendable. 

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1 minute ago, FischerTal said:

today was a difficult situation but he does tend to struggle finding gaps overseas. that argument is valid on another day. however, which idiot would berate pujara when the "full -on swagger chaaps" like kohli, dhawan, rohit all managed to collectively score less than pandya, a newcomer to these conditions? 

Who else but manju

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1 minute ago, FischerTal said:

today was a difficult situation but he does tend to struggle finding gaps overseas. that argument is valid on another day. however, which idiot would berate pujara when the "full -on swagger chaaps" like kohli, dhawan, rohit all managed to collectively score less than pandya, a newcomer to these conditions? 

the three swags scored 32 off 85 balls. chepu scored 26 off 92. scored almost as many runs and played more balls.

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1 minute ago, Vijy said:

he reminds me of the older version of dravid (first 3-4 yrs of his career) which most have forgotten by now.

Yes Dravid v Aussies in particular went in to shell . He learnt to bat overseas with same positivity he would in India 

 

pujar also needs to be more positive . Not crazy but at least be at 90% positivity of how he is india 

 

but all bats were a little bit have a look . As first game overseas for so long can understand the circumspection . Think pandya knock will give many confidence and bat better now 

 

funny enough best body language and approach was Dhawan who looked good and adopted same positive mind set he does in India 

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Just now, King Tendulkar said:

Yes Dravid v Aussies in particular went in to shell . He learnt to bat overseas with same positivity he would in India 

 

pujar also needs to be more positive . Not crazy but at least be at 90% positivity of how he is india 

 

but all bats were a little bit have a look . As first game overseas for so long can understand the circumspection . Think pandya knock will give many confidence and bat better now 

 

funny enough best body language and approach was Dhawan who looked good and adopted same positive mind set he does in India 

I don't think his approach was the right one at all. just loosely slashing and throwing his bat at anything is something shami can do. not someone who is allegedly a test "opener". gabbar needs to learn that these are not low, slow home tracks and he is not facing perera or unadcutter.

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22 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I don't think his approach was the right one at all. just loosely slashing and throwing his bat at anything is something shami can do. not someone who is allegedly a test "opener". gabbar needs to learn that these are not low, slow home tracks and he is not facing perera or unadcutter.

Look on icf there it’s lots of silly pidgeon joking and agendas and name calling 

 

Dhawan should not be in team but Raul . Saying that Dhawan has been in very good form . Yesterday he did look good , not slashing and throwing his bat . But proper cricket shots with positive intent . Dismissal was poor shot selection agree but up to then looked good . On purely how looked at crease was second best after pandya 

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42 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Look on icf there it’s lots of silly pidgeon joking and agendas and name calling 

 

Dhawan should not be in team but Raul . Saying that Dhawan has been in very good form . Yesterday he did look good , not slashing and throwing his bat . But proper cricket shots with positive intent . Dismissal was poor shot selection agree but up to then looked good . On purely how looked at crease was second best after pandya 

so, if he looks good and scores 4(2) and gets out, it's better than someone who looks uncomfortable and scratches around for a 30 or 40. in the end, runs are all that matter not how someone gets them. dhawan's avg outside SC, apart from NZ, reveals his true abilities. since you think its a 1-off innings, let's see how he does over the enitre tour. maybe he will give lots more flashy 10s.

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The only pure test cricketer we have is being criticized. Poor fellow. He was playing county working hard to improve in swing conditiins against better pace bowlers . Played out the tough bowlers who where fresh than when they bowled to lower order batters. He and Rohit stopped the fall of wickets and wicket taking momentum SA haf. They kept them wicketless for long enough time considering wickets were falling like stock of penny company on bad news. The need of the hour was what he did to perfection. Without his innings Hardiks knock was impossible. It's different batting at No 3 against such bowlers at peak than batting at 6 after they are somewhat tired and ball gets old. Well done C P.

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1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

The only pure test cricketer we have is being criticized. Poor fellow. He was playing county working hard to improve in swing conditiins against better pace bowlers . Played out the tough bowlers who where fresh than when they bowled to lower order batters. He and Rohit stopped the fall of wickets and wicket taking momentum SA haf. They kept them wicketless for long enough time considering wickets were falling like stock of penny company on bad news. The need of the hour was what he did to perfection. Without his innings Hardiks knock was impossible. It's different batting at No 3 against such bowlers at peak than batting at 6 after they are somewhat tired and ball gets old. Well done C P.

Thats a good point.Batting does get easier .

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6 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

No one is saying he is to blame . Just giving some thoughts on his batting 

There is nothing wrong with Pujaras batting in test matches. he grinds it out and that is to be expected. They should start with Kohli and then work their way down.

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4 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

The only pure test cricketer we have is being criticized. Poor fellow. He was playing county working hard to improve in swing conditiins against better pace bowlers . Played out the tough bowlers who where fresh than when they bowled to lower order batters. He and Rohit stopped the fall of wickets and wicket taking momentum SA haf. They kept them wicketless for long enough time considering wickets were falling like stock of penny company on bad news. The need of the hour was what he did to perfection. Without his innings Hardiks knock was impossible. It's different batting at No 3 against such bowlers at peak than batting at 6 after they are somewhat tired and ball gets old. Well done C P.

Not particularly looking at this innings but was it not similar to other efforts he had overseas ? Tight defence , ultra defence, does not look like getting out , but his score does not tick and then eventually a ball comes with his name on it and ....

 

no no one is saying drop him but we can say how he can improve . Clear way he can improve is to keep board moving a bit more abs otherwise this will happen again 

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He needs to rotate strike better, he simply puts too much pressure on other batsman. If he can do that he would become a great assets but I don't know if he has a game to rotate strike.Yes others got out early but what we want is when batsmen are in they should make sizable contribution.Rohit did not help the situation either.

 

If India has to conquer overseas they have to play without fear of failure.

 

 

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1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Not particularly looking at this innings but was it not similar to other efforts he had overseas ? Tight defence , ultra defence, does not look like getting out , but his score does not tick and then eventually a ball comes with his name on it and ....

 

no no one is saying drop him but we can say how he can improve . Clear way he can improve is to keep board moving a bit more abs otherwise this will happen again 

He doesn't have to change his game for others. We need someone to blunt the attack. Vijay and Pujara have the most number of successful partnerships the past few years. Expecting him to change his batting style is not fair IMO.

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1 minute ago, The Dark Horse said:

He doesn't have to change his game for others. We need someone to blunt the attack. Vijay and Pujara have the most number of successful partnerships the past few years. Expecting him to change his batting style is not fair IMO.

No that will not work, because when opposition has attack like Proteas they are no easy runs and both him and Vijay with their lack of strike rotation take innings nowhere and invariable get a good ball or chase a wide like Pujara did and get out.

 

It is imperative that they and all other Indian batsmen learn to rotate strike , no one is asking them to score boundaries but roration of strike is so important both for them and also their partners.

 

This style of blocking will work in India as no team has 4 quality bowlers to keep the pressure all day.Once pacemen get tired these two will milk runs from other bowlers.

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I cannot believe how people here are asking for Pujara to increase his scoring rate. And on the other hand Rohit's innings of 11(59) is being considered as job well done. Wow, dhanya hai ICF ke experts.

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55 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Not particularly looking at this innings but was it not similar to other efforts he had overseas ? Tight defence , ultra defence, does not look like getting out , but his score does not tick and then eventually a ball comes with his name on it and ....

 

no no one is saying drop him but we can say how he can improve . Clear way he can improve is to keep board moving a bit more abs otherwise this will happen again 

Firstly this is test match cricket. Secondly when we play overseas Chet has a specific role considering our weakness in some countries (which i need not elaborate as it is well known in past and recent events too). Thirdly, he is in Rahul Dravid mould. It is because he makes bowlers bowl 500 balls and tires opponent bowlers (Like in ranchi versus OZ), even batters like Saha and jaddu score 100 and 50. Yesterday too Chet was responsible for the lower order contribution by making the ball old as well as Cape town gets easier to bat on as time progresses. Virat too has played a lot of 200 when Chet is there playing well. His grinding of opponent bowlers help those batsmen who come to bat after Chet. So if he tires them by batting slowly the likes of Virat and others can compensate by milking the fully tired bowlers later on. Please attribute some success to this man. imo he is pure gold. It is time fans have to respect such a rare player with all pure test match qualities. Surely we can afford one rock in a test team when all others in the batting lineup are strokeplayers. At least one of his kind is required, isn't it ? Now if management does not manages him well then we will lose hsi intrinsic qualities so well suited ot test. Do you think he cannot swivel the bat here and there like others. He can. Actually poking the bat is very siomple than controlling the bat close to the body and hitting the ball over the head is very simple than keeping it down all along the ground till it reaches boundary. Also it is more sensible in test matches. Rahul Dravid had SR of 42 in tests, whereas Chet has SR of 48. Even i liked Rahul Dravids batting in spite of him scoring lesser SR than Chet. I do not have problems of SR for batsmen coming as openers and one down. Their primary role is to see of the new ball for the middle order and when set they have to score a big hundred or a double. Chet and Rahul have played these role perfectly. I do not have any complaints with their SR. They are gem of players and rarest talents that we possess today or in fact rarest talents of such attributes in all cricketing countries. I rate him very highly. I do not think that he should increase his strike rate by even 0.1 runs than what it is now.Such doubt never crept in my mind. When i feel that we need to play attacking cricket in test to win it, it is better left to likes of Virat, even Ajinkya, Saha or Jaddu. Let his game be as it is. SR from No 3 is not at all important. And even if it important we have other 6 batters who are all playing in ODI and T20 format who are better given that responsibility.  If 10 batsman playing in ODI format cannot increase the SR while one (Chet) guards the fort with assurance of a soldier then what is Chets slightly better SR in that innings  going to help in a win.

 

He is the best one down batsman in world. Remember there was a time when there were plenty of world class one down batters (Sanga, Rahul, Kallis, Ponting, Younis Khan, Lara, Trott). Now the teams are struggling to find world class one down batters who can face the new ball as well as spinners with equal ease.  Aus have Usman Khwaja (not a good number 3), Pak have babar (not in class of Chet or previosu world class one downs), Wi (least said the better about the many No 3 they have tried). Only NZ has kane Williamson who is quality. England are trying like mad for No. 3 after Trott and they have still not found one. Saffers have Amla.

in short only Chet, Amla and Willaimson are there as compared to quality No 3 in previous decades. The point is such players are getting rare worldwide and we are lucky to have one such one down batsman. So no complaints, let him play as he is. I am glad with his style, temparament, technique, stamina for big innings, shot selection, code and conduct on and off the field and humility. Total class this guy is. Hope the think tank manages him wellr ather than asking to do unwanted things regarding SR.

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1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Firstly this is test match cricket. Secondly when we play overseas Chet has a specific role considering our weakness in some countries (which i need not elaborate as it is well known in past and recent events too). Thirdly, he is in Rahul Dravid mould. It is because he makes bowlers bowl 500 balls and tires opponent bowlers (Like in ranchi versus OZ), even batters like Saha and jaddu score 100 and 50. Yesterday too Chet was responsible for the lower order contribution by making the ball old as well as Cape town gets easier to bat on as time progresses. Virat too has played a lot of 200 when Chet is there playing well. His grinding of opponent bowlers help those batsmen who come to bat after Chet. So if he tires them by batting slowly the likes of Virat and others can compensate by milking the fully tired bowlers later on. Please attribute some success to this man. imo he is pure gold. It is time fans have to respect such a rare player with all pure test match qualities. Surely we can afford one rock in a test team when all others in the batting lineup are strokeplayers. At least one of his kind is required, isn't it ? Now if management does not manages him well then we will lose hsi intrinsic qualities so well suited ot test. Do you think he cannot swivel the bat here and there like others. He can. Actually poking the bat is very siomple than controlling the bat close to the body and hitting the ball over the head is very simple than keeping it down all along the ground till it reaches boundary. Also it is more sensible in test matches. Rahul Dravid had SR of 42 in tests, whereas Chet has SR of 48. Even i liked Rahul Dravids batting in spite of him scoring lesser SR than Chet. I do not have problems of SR for batsmen coming as openers and one down. Their primary role is to see of the new ball for the middle order and when set they have to score a big hundred or a double. Chet and Rahul have played these role perfectly. I do not have any complaints with their SR. They are gem of players and rarest talents that we possess today or in fact rarest talents of such attributes in all cricketing countries. I rate him very highly. I do not think that he should increase his strike rate by even 0.1 runs than what it is now.Such doubt never crept in my mind. When i feel that we need to play attacking cricket in test to win it, it is better left to likes of Virat, even Ajinkya, Saha or Jaddu. Let his game be as it is. SR from No 3 is not at all important. And even if it important we have other 6 batters who are all playing in ODI and T20 format who are better given that responsibility.  If 10 batsman playing in ODI format cannot increase the SR while one (Chet) guards the fort with assurance of a soldier then what is Chets slightly better SR in that innings  going to help in a win.

 

He is the best one down batsman in world. Remember there was a time when there were plenty of world class one down batters (Sanga, Rahul, Kallis, Ponting, Younis Khan, Lara, Trott). Now the teams are struggling to find world class one down batters who can face the new ball as well as spinners with equal ease.  Aus have Usman Khwaja (not a good number 3), Pak have babar (not in class of Chet or previosu world class one downs), Wi (least said the better about the many No 3 they have tried). Only NZ has kane Williamson who is quality. England are trying like mad for No. 3 after Trott and they have still not found one. Saffers have Amla.

in short only Chet, Amla and Willaimson are there as compared to quality No 3 in previous decades. The point is such players are getting rare worldwide and we are lucky to have one such one down batsman. So no complaints, let him play as he is. I am glad with his style, temparament, technique, stamina for big innings, shot selection, code and conduct on and off the field and humility. Total class this guy is. Hope the think tank manages him wellr ather than asking to do unwanted things regarding SR.

che is not as much of an all-conditions batsman compared to kane and amla. but he is the best #3 we have at the moment, and it's ridiculous that commentators are dissing him.

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