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Controversial but are captains from the North usually a little biased?

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9 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Your claim that Kambli came back to the team regardless of the format everytime when SRT was the captain doesn't stand up to scrutiny. At all. Not when he played 0 Tests out of 25. Not when he barely played 20% of the ODIs he captained. If you prefer to ignore the actual facts then I have nothing to say. Whitewashing Kohli's shenanigans by stating every captain has his favorites makes no sense. None of the captains in the last 2-3 decades have stooped to the level he has when it comes to partisan team selection. Btw I am not necessarily accusing Kohli of regionalism. I think he's either 1. Massively Corrupt (most likely) or 2. Thoroughly imcompetent. Either ways he's unfit to be an Indian captain. 

Have you considered a 3rd option that he believed these players to be the best for the task? It is sort of point 2, being incompetent, but remember one of his punts paid back in terms of Pandya! 

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On Topic, this has been Indian cricket story all along. Earlier the selectors used to force non-deserving players and the stronger regions had more representation. Now there is less regionalism, but Captains have always had their favorite players. Present always appears to be the worst since it is most fresh.. i remember we used to say the same for Jadeja & Dhoni!  

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1 minute ago, kruiser said:

On Topic, this has been Indian cricket story all along. Earlier the selectors used to force non-deserving players and the stronger regions had more representation. Now there is less regionalism, but Captains have always had their favorite players. Present always appears to be the worst since it is most fresh.. i remember we used to say the same for Jadeja & Dhoni!  

There were allegations about caste bias in some circles with Dhoni and Jadeja as they are from the same caste but that is a little too much.

 

Also the fact is I am not accusing these “Northie captains” as “regionalist”....they have a very myopic vision...I mean they might get along with South Indians from big cities but it is not like they will make  some talent say from rural Assam or Orissa fit in. 

 

Kapil always came across as kliquish and so

does Kohli, look at the crowd he hangs out with...nothing wrong with that from a personal perspective but it usually translates to on field as well.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, kruiser said:

Have you considered a 3rd option that he believed these players to be the best for the task? It is sort of point 2, being incompetent, but remember one of his punts paid back in terms of Pandya!

Well if he genuinely thinks Dhawan/Rohit are better equipped to deal with a SA attack compared to someone like Rahane then he needs to have his head checked. And this ain't the first time he's done something like this. He also dropped Vijay for Dhawan in the WI with absolutely no justification. A punt on Pandya was understandable because 1. He ain't a proven failure in Tests 2. He wasn't unfairly replacing a seam bowling all-rounder who has already delivered in Tests.

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@Cricketics @PBN @Under_Score @sscomp32 Etc....don’t take this as a personal attack. This is has nothing to do with cultures or regions but just based on cricketers we have seen.

 

if people look at Laxman,Dravid,Srinath,Ashwin etc and form the opinion that South Indian

cricketers are not aggressive on the field or something, it might just be an observational thing based on the body language of those set of players...it doesn’t mean South India cricketers in general are meek and timid.That could be a  generalization based on what you are viewing just like the topic of this thread.

 

I have only pointed out what I have observed.

 

Also this is not about regionalism,This is just my take that It could be because most South Indian cricketers who have represented India are from big cities like Hyderabad,Bangalore,Chennai (may be not so much multi culturalism here as the rest) where there is a lot of  multi culturalism just like the case with Mumbai or Kolkata .

 

So these guys from big cities can get along with anyone..on the other hand someone from a small city like Dhoni or Kapil Dev might find hard to relate to everyone especially from the southern states.

 

That is why Sreeshanth who was from Kerala again not so much multi culturalism going on in his city ,had a tough time to adjust and relate to others (even though it could be that he was plain obnoxious to begin with) while on the other hand someone like Ashwin,Vijay got along just fine.

 

Surprisingly people from Delhi etc are like that too from personal experience.They don’t have a lot of exposure to a lot of cultures compared to other big cities...not sure why? again this is just my personal view.I apologize for that sterotype

 

I am sure if a small town cricketer from South India becomes captain that might change things to justify why these captains have the bias  

 

so let us hope we see that to prove my theory this happens .....Hanuma Vihari for test captaincy :isalute:

 

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It just seems to me that selection is based on who is close to Kohli.

 

So he might prefer to play folks he can relate with more, who naturally happen to be folks from the north.

 

 

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I also noticed on ICF that posters from the North also tend to hype up their players ridiculously.

 

Pant is supposedly the next coming of Gilchirst, Sobers and Bradman put together.

 

Now I personally think Pant has a bright future in team India. But I do get a feeling that posters from the north are pushing rather hard.

 

Another one was Deepak Hooda. A few strong performances in the IPL and Jadeja was in the firing line.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, maniac said:

@Cricketics @PBN @Under_Score @sscomp32 Etc....don’t take this as a personal attack. This is has nothing to do with cultures or regions but just based on cricketers we have seen.

 

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i thought this was funz and stuff thread not a serious one lol :dontknow:

 

Everything below Punjab is south India

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This is the dumbest thread on this forum in a long time. There are biases but to say that North captains are thw worst is over the top. I remember the day when every "kar" was in the team because of Mumbai lobby. I also remeber the day when Azharu kept Sidhu out of the team without informing him. I have seen bias all around. I also remeber how shamelessly Dravid pushed that sheet show Binny in the team. 

So kindly dont generalize.

 

The most fair was Saurav Ganguly. I have yet to see anyone as fair as him.

 

Only remedy is three format three captains two coaches.

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30 minutes ago, Khota said:

This is the dumbest thread on this forum in a long time. There are biases but to say that North captains are thw worst is over the top. I remember the day when every "kar" was in the team because of Mumbai lobby. I also remeber the day when Azharu kept Sidhu out of the team without informing him. I have seen bias all around. I also remeber how shamelessly Dravid pushed that sheet show Binny in the team. 

So kindly dont generalize.

 

The most fair was Saurav Ganguly. I have yet to see anyone as fair as him.

 

Only remedy is three format three captains two coaches.

When did that happen? :blink:

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47 minutes ago, diga said:

Do you read the title of the thread? Was Dravid the captain here? Another khota-ism

Was Dravid pushing for the inclusion of a non deserving player or not?

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11 hours ago, maniac said:

Seen India Map?....West Bengal is not North

 

Bihar usually  can fit in both North and East.depending on how you want to look at it.Jarkhand May be little towards east though

 

Anyways we are not arguing about geography of India.

 

10 hours ago, abc said:

i think he is conflating Hindi belt with North zone. Edit: But if you change North Zone to Hindi-speaking, then it kind of makes sense. I mean Hindi-speaking people are the only ones who think their language is a "national language" .

@maniac 

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11 hours ago, New guy said:

Yes. We need another partition

This. 

As for the OP, its more to do with Hindi vs non-Hindi factors. That's why I support the idea to banish Hindi from States education system. 

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4 hours ago, Khota said:

This is the dumbest thread on this forum in a long time. There are biases but to say that North captains are thw worst is over the top. I remember the day when every "kar" was in the team because of Mumbai lobby. I also remeber the day when Azharu kept Sidhu out of the team without informing him. I have seen bias all around. I also remeber how shamelessly Dravid pushed that sheet show Binny in the team. 

So kindly dont generalize.

 

The most fair was Saurav Ganguly. I have yet to see anyone as fair as him.

 

Only remedy is three format three captains two coaches.

Replace binny with nair....in ipl.:wp14:

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7 hours ago, maniac said:

.on the other hand someone from a small city like Dhoni or Kapil Dev might find hard to relate to everyone especially from the southern states

Do you feel the same when dhoni wears half mast lungi and does whistle podu.....?:p:

 

 

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14 minutes ago, maniac said:

Yeah wearing a Lungi and singing whistle podu is great cultural awareness lol...impressive!!!

No ...but he calls chennai his second home and is chennai's favourite son .

It is not like he is just playing for any team. He loves that team and all that comes with it including the money of course. But you cannot argue that he is not chennai's son . He identifies with that team just like Raina....another northie.

 

He is not like bk in sunrisers. Bk would be equally comfortable anywhere else and sunrisers would be  equally comfortable with any other good bowler. There is no special regional team bond there.

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8 hours ago, maniac said:

Also the fact is I am not accusing these “Northie captains” as “regionalist”....they have a very myopic vision...I mean they might get along with South Indians from big cities but it is not like they will make  some talent say from rural Assam or Orissa fit in. 

That would hold good for all captains. A dravid or kumble would have found it difficult to get along with some one from rural assam  or orissa to fit in .

 

Ipl has changed that to an extent .

The captains before ipl did not have that advantage .

 

The under 19 or A teams are far more representative of  India than they did before. Dravid has to deal with that as a coach now but he probably did not have to deal with that as a captain.

 

Kohli is a special case of such strong bias in post ipl era. That speaks really poorly of him .His bias towards Dhawan is his regional yaarana. The friend he can sing punjabi songs with.

Rohit is a commercial interest .

Both make him look really bad.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, beetle said:

No ...but he calls chennai his second home and is chennai's favourite son .

It is not like he is just playing for any team. He loves that team and all that comes with it including the money of course. But you cannot argue that he is not chennai's son . He identifies with that team just like Raina....another northie.

 

He is not like bk in sunrisers. Bk would be equally comfortable anywhere else and sunrisers would be  equally comfortable with any other good bowler. There is no special regional team bond there.

Maybe he has evolved with time, I don’t know,as I said this is not one of those topics that you can have stats and numbers to present facts

and start proving stuff whichever side you are on...This is purely my perspective and opinion I have formed....you are free to prove otherwise.

 

I don’t think Dhoni has learnt a single word

of Tamil and not that he needs to but only if the theory is if he was in so much head over heels in love with Chennai...its all PR and money making stuff.

 

Anyway I do think either ways Dhoni surrenders himself with his mates.

 

 

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Just now, maniac said:

Are you saying beetleji is also biased :wp12:

50 minutes ago, beetle said:

Replace binny with nair....in ipl.:wp14:

Technically Dravid is a northie..born in Indore and parents from North :p:

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Just now, Pollack said:

Says someone who accused me of hating Southies because I said I don't like south movies. Chor ki dadhi me tinka. :p:

Yeah that is because of the extensive knowledge of 6th standard geography you displayed but let us not revisit that.

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31 minutes ago, maniac said:

Yeah that is because of the extensive knowledge of 6th standard geography you displayed but let us not revisit that.

Can you point me out where I showed no knowledge of geography?

It went something like this:

I said I don't like bahubali (enough to get on your nerves lol) and said I in general don't like movies from South. A poster thought since I am from Maharashtra (again he assumed that from my posts lol) let's accuse him of not knowing south does not mean only Madras. Since in Maharashtra everyone from South is madras. There was nowhere I said south is only Madras. You just thought maybe I said that assumingly without even reading and started talking batsh!T. Go ahead point me out where I showed no knowledge of geography. Point out the post. Talk no ****.

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13 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Can you point me out where I showed no knowledge of geography?

It went something like this:

I said I don't like bahubali (enough to get on your nerves lol) and said I in general don't like movies from South. A poster though since I am from Maharashtra let's accuse him of not knowing south means Madras. There was nowhere I said south is only Madras. You just though maybe I said that assuming and staRted talking batsh!T.

No....go back and take a look... you assumed all South Indian movies to be slambang masala type nonsense and a poster pointed out that some Malayalam movies(I think) were classy if that was your cup of tea . 

 

your response to paraphrase was  that since you saw movies of other South Indian languages (which you probably  didn’t even know which state they were from ) you had made up your mind to take a pass and classify all movies of an entire region without even realizing that there are different cultures with different sensibilities and tastes .

 

 I pointed that out and  it clearly hit a nerve lol and you went on a tirade ... I took the high road because it just wasn’t worth it...I have ignored that part  since because trust me I don’t have anything personal against anyone and neither am I a torch bearer for all things South but looks like it still hurts you lol.

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13 minutes ago, maniac said:

No....go back and take a look... you assumed all South Indian movies to be slambang masala type nonsense and a poster pointed out that some Malayalam movies(I think) were classy if that was your cup of tea . 

 

your response to paraphrase was  that since you saw movies of other South Indian languages (which you probably  didn’t even know which state they were from ) you had made up your mind to take a pass and classify all movies of an entire region without even realizing that there are different cultures with different sensibilities and tastes .

 

 I pointed that out and  it clearly hit a nerve lol and you went on a tirade ... I took the high road because it just wasn’t worth it...I have ignored that part  since because trust me I don’t have anything personal against anyone but looks like it still hurts you lol.

Lol so no lack of geography. On similar lines there is so much of lies in this post. So won't bother much. :laugh:

Just maybe I haven't seen enough good movies. Maybe I made ignorant observation based on movies I saw but it still doesn't explain how it makes me a hater based on freaking movies. It's more a case of personal likes or dislikes.

You took a high road only after you stoop so low of accusing left right and centre.lol

 You were just enraged how dare I don't like Bahubali and say it loud. :laugh:

 

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8 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Lol so no lack of geography. On similar lines there is so much of lies in this post. So won't bother much. :laugh:

Just maybe I haven't seen enough good movies. Fair enough. And then it's more a case of personal likes or dislikes.

You took a high road.lol

 You were just enraged how dare I don't like Bahubali and say it loud. :laugh:

 

Comprehension is not exactly your strong suite by the look of it....I personally liked the movie but neither have I claimed it to be the greatest thing since sliced bread or neither I have had a problem people “disliking the movie” because that is obviously a personal thing..it’s not like I have a stake in it ....my problem was with generalization in the follow up posts clearly but then again <repeat my first statement> you seem to be confusing me with someone else....only thing I pointed out was the generalization and from the tirade you went on atleast I was happy you realized what you did and then bizarrely enough you accused me of bias :hysterical:

 

that was amusing stuff,I wish to keep it that way.

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4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Comprehension is not exactly your strong suite by the look of it....I personally liked the movie but neither have I claimed it to be the greatest thing since sliced bread or neither I have had a problem people “disliking the movie” because that is obviously a personal thing..it’s not like I have a stake in it ....my problem was with generalization in the follow up posts clearly but then again <repeat my first statement> you seem to be confusing me with someone else....only thing I pointed out was the generalization and from the tirade you went on atleast I was happy you realized what you did and then bizarrely enough you accused me of bias :hysterical:

 

that was amusing stuff,I wish to keep it that way.

So,  where did I show lack of geography.  :p:

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5 minutes ago, Pollack said:

So,  where did I show lack of geography.  :p:

Geography is the study of the Earth and its features, its inhabitants, and its phenomena.

 

so based on a couple of random movies you saw you gerneralized without even realizing difference in culture that exists among various states...it’s not like we were taking about a different country leave alone a continent FFS :laugh: 

 

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