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India u19 Pacers: Kamlesh Nagarkoti, Shivam Mavi, Ishan Porel

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4 minutes ago, Texan said:

Praveen is a bowler who clocks 115-125 usually. In T20s I can understand a 5-6 kph bump. But Praveen clocking 140 is an anomaly and can only be explained by inaccuracies in recording speed gun results. 

Anyone can bowl an occasional 140. Even Chahal can if he tries pace bowling. Was his average pace 140?

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

So why does that error margin not exist for starc, Cummins, Rabada? Please explain. They clock same Pace every continent they play. Tbh, it's a sport and results can go anywhere, but what keeps game going is the talented players whether batsmen or bowlers. Fast bowlers are as important to the game as batsman. Genuine fast bowlers make the game exciting irrespective of the results. It's just a game. 

Error margin exists for all. See what they have bowled everywhere and there is difference in speed across grounds. 

 

I understand you are only interested in seeing phashhhhhhtttt bowlers and have no interest in watching real cricket. 

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3 minutes ago, Texan said:

You go and do some reading kid and educate yourself. Get a college degree too and a real job and stop flipping burgers :)

Thanks for the tip grandpa :) Now let's talk about some logic and why dont we start with you proving your point? :) Waiting!

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In the u 19 challenger trophy , Nagarkoti bowled upto 140 ks ( clocked 140 ks multiple times though), and Mavi bowled upto 137 ks. Either  both are in great rhythm now which was missing in challenger trophy or our domestic speed guns are seriously flawed.

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49 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Nagarkoti should be pulled in with in next 6 months to play for India..i guess this guy is ready.

 

exceptional talent, if he is faster than Umesh , his line n length can always be trained.

Apart from that both are decent bat

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23 minutes ago, Texan said:

Error margin exists for all. See what they have bowled everywhere and there is difference in speed across grounds. 

 

I understand you are only interested in seeing phashhhhhhtttt bowlers and have no interest in watching real cricket. 

Yeah good batsmen facing good express fast bowlers is the real game. 

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15 minutes ago, Insidious said:

In the u 19 challenger trophy , Nagarkoti bowled upto 140 ks ( clocked 140 ks multiple times though), and Mavi bowled upto 137 ks. Either  both are in great rhythm now which was missing in challenger trophy or our domestic speed guns are seriously flawed.

They were both coming from a long injury lay off. Indian domestic readings does tend to be on lower side than international level.

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13 minutes ago, Insidious said:

In the u 19 challenger trophy , Nagarkoti bowled upto 140 ks ( clocked 140 ks multiple times though), and Mavi bowled upto 137 ks. Either  both are in great rhythm now which was missing in challenger trophy or our domestic speed guns are seriously flawed.

Yes domestic speed guns show the speeds which are recorded near to the batsmen.the nearer it is the slower speeds they record

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1 hour ago, Texan said:

Ohh poor Rightarmfast. Yearning to see only Right arm fast mentioned against bowler with Indian team. Not cared about result of the match. Not cared about any actual "cricket". You guys are very much like the Pakistanis that only boast about "phassht" bowlers. By the way, speed guns vary from broadcaster to broadcaster and can very much show different values even from ground to ground. Do a little more reading on how they are calculated and you will see how much error margin there is in speed gun ratings. Problem with you is you don't even know or feign to not know how the machine calculates the speed and how much error margin exists. 

So what exactly you want to say here. The same guy was bowling 89-90 mph in eng and also in few of the first class matches he played in India. As far as bowling speed is concerned we go by spedo meter deploed by broadcaster under icc provision. Tell me what quality of sun glasses you use which none of the broadcasters  have to come out with the exact speed of 140 km/h. You keep saying people are getting sensative ,trust me bro you sound sensative and jealos as well, i dont know what cream you use in your country to protect from burn but just in case you dont have one please use this. You may need more as tournament progress.

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10 hours ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

very impressive speeds and bowling actions but they are not tall ...

 

also I wish we had a left arm fast bowler...

They haven't finished growing. Steyn, waqar and Malcolm Marshall weren't tall either, not an absolute necessity for fast bowling. 

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1 hour ago, raki05 said:

So what exactly you want to say here. The same guy was bowling 89-90 mph in eng and also in few of the first class matches he played in India. As far as bowling speed is concerned we go by spedo meter deploed by broadcaster under icc provision. Tell me what quality of sun glasses you use which none of the broadcasters  have to come out with the exact speed of 140 km/h. You keep saying people are getting sensative ,trust me bro you sound sensative and jealos as well, i dont know what cream you use in your country to protect from burn but just in case you dont have one please use this. You may need more as tournament progress.

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Use some Vaseline before putting your c*ck in @Rightarmfast s a$$ next time. He gets super sensitive when you go straight in. 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

They were both coming from a long injury lay off. Indian domestic readings does tend to be on lower side than international level.

Lol. Why?? First you were saying all speed gun ratings are consistent. Now you changed and saying Indian speed gun ratings are lower. What happened. They are not all accurate anymore?

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2 hours ago, Texan said:

Ohh poor Rightarmfast. Yearning to see only Right arm fast mentioned against bowler with Indian team. Not cared about result of the match. Not cared about any actual "cricket". You guys are very much like the Pakistanis that only boast about "phassht" bowlers. By the way, speed guns vary from broadcaster to broadcaster and can very much show different values even from ground to ground. Do a little more reading on how they are calculated and you will see how much error margin there is in speed gun ratings. Problem with you is you don't even know or feign to not know how the machine calculates the speed and how much error margin exists. 

You were the one who claimed that the speed guns are over reporting. Why don't you prove it if thats the case instead of repeating "do some reading". How about you show us how you are arriving at your half assed result claiming to be gospel. 

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6 hours ago, Texan said:

Lol. Why?? First you were saying all speed gun ratings are consistent. Now you changed and saying Indian speed gun ratings are lower. What happened. They are not all accurate anymore?

Yes, all speed guns at international and IPL are consistent because they use multiple speed guns along with hawk eye to judge the Pace. This isn't the case in India domestic cricket.  And this is an ICC tournament and speeds clocked in an ICC tournament is always recognized by ICC and everyone. Akhtar's 161 in 2003 wc is still recognized fastest ever despite Lee also bowling 161 in 2005 against NZ which is not recognized and that 161 looked quicker than Akhtar's 161 to naked eyes. They take multiple speed readings at international level to be as accurate as possible and Hawkeye uses high speed cameras.

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Problem is last year Alzari Joseph clocked 147. No one said speed guns are overstating. Rabada clocked 145 in 2014, no one said speed guns are overstating. Jamie Overton clocked 150, no one said speed guns vary broadcaster to broadcaster, but when indian bowlers did it, suddenly speed guns are overstating, speed varies broadcaster to broadcaster excuses started coming. And they were not even shown quick, they were quick to.

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7 hours ago, Texan said:

Lol. Why?? First you were saying all speed gun ratings are consistent. Now you changed and saying Indian speed gun ratings are lower. What happened. They are not all accurate anymore?

Dude what's your problem. Ok these kids are not 140+. Now make a move on..

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26 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Dude what's your problem. Ok these kids are not 140+. Now make a move on..

He only wants see Sandeep Sharma, PK type howlers. If every team thinks like him and starts playing such bowlers, cricket will die. Every country hype up their pacers including Aus-SA.

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He only wants see Sandeep Sharma, PK type howlers. If every team thinks like him and starts playing such bowlers, cricket will die. Every country hype up their pacers including Aus-SA.

Honestly if I had not seen the match yesterday, I'd still have doubts. But after watching them play and bowl like that I can say our bowling future is in safe hands - in terms of pace and consistency.

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5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

He only wants see Sandeep Sharma, PK type howlers. If every team thinks like him and starts playing such bowlers, cricket will die. Every country hype up their pacers including Aus-SA.

Bishop, Moody and Ganguly were going gaga over these kids because of their pace. Ganguly even tweeted to Kohli and BCCI to take care of these kids. But I guess these guys don't know anything about cricket. We should only stick to trundlers because every trundler is accurate like McGrath and only swing is enough to get wickets at the international level.

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6 minutes ago, gattaca said:

The keeper looked real poor. Oh man they don’t have a better one than him.

you dont find great keepers at U19 level, this guy is just 16 and is a really promising batsman too. He is a proper bat, was really impressive in challenger and warmup with the bat, wasnt in the original squad but got picked after Challenger trophy. i dont think he kept against such pace and bounce ever.

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9 hours ago, Texan said:

Use some Vaseline before putting your c*ck in @Rightarmfast s a$$ next time. He gets super sensitive when you go straight in. 

Vaseline, is it? Ok! I mean, we are straight guys and didnt need this advise but I appreciate your effort. Its always good to hear from experts speaking out of their own experience. 

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

At the risk of sounding totally wrong,creepy and illegal these under 19 cricketer kids especially the fast bowlers are totally giving you the “good feel”

17 year old Cummins was making everyone in Aus cricket circle salivating.

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5 minutes ago, maniac said:

Saw these kids  they are the real deal...date I say...look better than Avesh and Khaleel who look liked a million bucks themselves...hope they are managed well

yes, atm. they look better than Avesh and Khaleel though these guys are shorter. Khaleel too is bowling 140KPH now.

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Zak attack brings shades of Patto

And in his first match for Australia Under 19s, the 17-year-old is bowling a bit like his fellow Victorian too.

Report: Sri Lanka cling on for draw in U19s series-opener

A skiddy, right-arm fast bowler, Evans has only just turned 17 but already he has the ability to send the ball down at more than 130 kilometres per hour.

He ripped through the Sri Lanka Under 19s on Sunday, finishing with 4-61.

 

Here, aussies are going gaga over someone bowling over 130 at 17. Nagar koti who just turned 18 is approaching 150K and people are raising questions.

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Avesh Khan, Sarfraz Khaleel, Mavi, Nagarkotti... Talking only about the U19 pacers from last year to this, Indian bowling future looks seriously quality. We are not even discussing the talents that we have in domestic circuit. 

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really like this U19 pacer too. Vivekanand Tiwaru. Didn't get selected for WC but looks good, proper fast bowlers runup, fairly tall, god strong action, not as quick as Mavi or Nagarkoti but will get quicker as he has some good basics.

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