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9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Pant is competing for Keeper slot with Dhoni and should replace him at least in T20s.

He may replace Dhoni...in 2-3 years, when Pant's keeping is up to international standards. Currently, it is not. He can show up in the team as a specialist batsman if he keeps scoring at this style, but he has not earned the right to don the gloves behind the stumps over Dhoni in limited overs and Saha in Tests.

 

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1 minute ago, raki05 said:

Btw replacement shall just be better than pp, karthik and current dhoni. Requirement is not for better bat than kohli or yuvraj.

The requirement is to be atleast the same level behind the stumps as Dhoni, if not better. Rishabh is nowhere close to Dhoni behind the stumps, so he is not a Dhoni replacement.

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The requirement is to be atleast the same level behind the stumps as Dhoni, if not better. Rishabh is nowhere close to Dhoni behind the stumps, so he is not a Dhoni replacement.
Dhoni at best was a safe keeper .Pant Is a good keeper.
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3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:
The requirement is to be atleast the same level behind the stumps as Dhoni, if not better. Rishabh is nowhere close to Dhoni behind the stumps, so he is not a Dhoni replacement.

Dhoni at best was a safe keeper .Pant Is a good keeper.

No. Pant is not a good keeper, he is an average domestic level keeper. Ie, below average international level keeper. 

Dhoni is a safe keeper against pacers, he has by far the best glovework against spinners I've ever seen and he still is lightning quick with stumpings and catching edges off of spinners.

And lastly, having safe hands, which Dhoni does, is a pre-requisite to being even in consideration as a keeper.

 

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No. Pant is not a good keeper, he is an average domestic level keeper. Ie, below average international level keeper. 
Dhoni is a safe keeper against pacers, he has by far the best glovework against spinners I've ever seen and he still is lightning quick with stumpings and catching edges off of spinners.
And lastly, having safe hands, which Dhoni does, is a pre-requisite to being even in consideration as a keeper.
 
No Dhoni had his problems catching against spinners too.
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1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

The requirement is to be atleast the same level behind the stumps as Dhoni, if not better. Rishabh is nowhere close to Dhoni behind the stumps, so he is not a Dhoni replacement.

And how did you reach to that assesment. I have seen few of the domestic ranji matcheswhich he has played and he did not drop any catch and grab all of them. And dhoni current wicketkeeping is not the same as when he first bust in to the scene so its the continous improvement curve you see.

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1 minute ago, CG said:
2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:
No. Pant is not a good keeper, he is an average domestic level keeper. Ie, below average international level keeper. 
Dhoni is a safe keeper against pacers, he has by far the best glovework against spinners I've ever seen and he still is lightning quick with stumpings and catching edges off of spinners.
And lastly, having safe hands, which Dhoni does, is a pre-requisite to being even in consideration as a keeper.
 

No Dhoni had his problems catching against spinners too.

Disagree. If you mean he isnt 100% against spinners...well no keeper is 100% all the time. But he is the best we've ever had against spinners and still the best in the world, in the limited format. And its pretty unquestionable that he is better than Pant behind the stumps at the moment and until Pant can catch up to him/Dhoni declines enough, there is no case for Pant being the keeper.

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1 minute ago, raki05 said:

And how did you reach to that assesment. I have seen few of the domestic ranji matcheswhich he has played and he did not drop any catch and grab all of them. And dhoni current wicketkeeping is not the same as when he first bust in to the scene so its the continous improvement curve you see.

I too have watched Pant and his keeping is average. Slow on the get-up, does not know if to go on full crouch or half-crouch. Which doesn't mean he sucks, it is to be expected from a 19 year old. It means he is not ready to be an international keeper yet. 
Pant needs another 2-3 years of domestic cricket to improve enough to be an international level keeper.

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1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

Disagree. If you mean he isnt 100% against spinners...well no keeper is 100% all the time. But he is the best we've ever had against spinners and still the best in the world, in the limited format. And its pretty unquestionable that he is better than Pant behind the stumps at the moment and until Pant can catch up to him/Dhoni declines enough, there is no case for Pant being the keeper.

How much more you want him to decline. Shall we persue him till grave.please leave the old man now, he has done enough whether good or bad. It's time to move on and look gor the future not necessarily pant there are others as well. But we surely need to move on from ttfs and the cool old man.

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2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

I too have watched Pant and his keeping is average. Slow on the get-up, does not know if to go on full crouch or half-crouch. Which doesn't mean he sucks, it is to be expected from a 19 year old. It means he is not ready to be an international keeper yet. 
Pant needs another 2-3 years of domestic cricket to improve enough to be an international level keeper.

I have seen his keeping against best ranji bowler of this season and he looks absolute immaculate , best in terms of keeping against delhi pacers which was reasonably better than other domestic team. I m not sure which instance you are reffering here. However no keeper will become perfect by just playing domestic and he is good enough in terms of keeping to draft in to the next level.

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2 hours ago, raki05 said:

How much more you want him to decline. Shall we persue him till grave.please leave the old man now, he has done enough whether good or bad. It's time to move on and look gor the future not necessarily pant there are others as well. But we surely need to move on from ttfs and the cool old man.

He is still one of the best in the world in glovework against spinners, safe as a house against pacers. his only decline, is in terms of how much he goes for leg-side catches/byes off of pacers. So that puts him in the top 25% of the world. Thats more than adequate for representing India.

 

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2 hours ago, raki05 said:

I have seen his keeping against best ranji bowler of this season and he looks absolute immaculate , best in terms of keeping against delhi pacers which was reasonably better than other domestic team. I m not sure which instance you are reffering here. However no keeper will become perfect by just playing domestic and he is good enough in terms of keeping to draft in to the next level.

Keeping is about muscle memory and lower back & glutes strength. he is 19. Needs 2-3 years minimum to build on the muscle memory and strengthen his body. He does not have the physique of deKock, so i'd imagine it'd take till he is 23-24 before he is ready to be a fulltime keeper in international cricket.

 

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2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

He may replace Dhoni...in 2-3 years, when Pant's keeping is up to international standards. Currently, it is not. He can show up in the team as a specialist batsman if he keeps scoring at this style, but he has not earned the right to don the gloves behind the stumps over Dhoni in limited overs and Saha in Tests.

 

Why do you say his keeping is not good? How much have you seen him? Did you see Ranji final? He was top class. Very much as good as Saha in athletcism. Dont spout rubbish without watching. Several on this forum will vouch for his keeping in that game. Even i was surprised seeing him keep so brilliantly.

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3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

He is still one of the best in the world in glovework against spinners, safe as a house against pacers. his only decline, is in terms of how much he goes for leg-side catches/byes off of pacers. So that puts him in the top 25% of the world. Thats more than adequate for representing India.

 

Just because you say so. He may be in your book but thats not true. He missed sevral catches on off side as well which he leave for the slip fielder. He was never a good keeper against fast bowler. His usp is stumping agains spinner. The next wc is in eng so not sure how many spinners we will see in playing 11.  I think he is just blocking an youngster position he is not even ready to quit t20.

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8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Keeping is about muscle memory and lower back & glutes strength. he is 19. Needs 2-3 years minimum to build on the muscle memory and strengthen his body. He does not have the physique of deKock, so i'd imagine it'd take till he is 23-24 before he is ready to be a fulltime keeper in international cricket.

 

You can have best glutes in the world but concrete hands and no footwork you will never be a wicketkeeper.  

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3 hours ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Great? Who's expecting great? Read the comments before replying to them:

Both Kohli and Yuvraj were solid players at 20 even if not great. They had a brain, could adapt according to the situation and were not severely limited in their strokeplay. That's expecting too much from a hack who just swings at everything.

Kohli was so great that he got dropped. Yuvraj was so skillful that he averaged 30 half the decade after debut.

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1 minute ago, raki05 said:

Just because you say so. He may be in your book but thats not true. He missed sevral catches on off side as well which he leave for the slip fielder. He was never a good keeper against fast bowler. His usp is stumping agains spinner. The next wc is in eng so not sure how many spinners we will see in playing 11.  I think he is just blocking an youngster position he is not even ready to quit t20.

Dhoni is not going to go horizontal, diving in front of first slip to pull off a catch. he never was. That isnt required as a keeper either, thats a big, big bonus, thats all. 

He is still one of the safest catchers to've ever played the game. That alone, is a basic pre-requisite that Rishabh is yet to master.

 

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Why do you say his keeping is not good? How much have you seen him? Did you see Ranji final? He was top class. Very much as good as Saha in athletcism. Dont spout rubbish without watching. Several on this forum will vouch for his keeping in that game. Even i was surprised seeing him keep so brilliantly.

Because it isn't good. He is barely adequate at the moment, which is very very far from being good. 

I did watch the Ranji final in snippets. Rishabh is reactionary, trying to read the bowler off the pitch. ie, that is to be expected from a 19 year old, but to be a GOOD keeper, he has to learn to pick bowlers from the hand. 

He needs 2-3 years to develop as a top level keeper. Otherwise, he does not deserve the job of a keeper.

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