Trichromatic Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0 AM Rahane 2013-2016 17 29 5 1312 147 54.66 4 7 2 R Dravid 1996-2012 68 124 16 5895 233 54.58 14 31 2 SM Gavaskar 1971-1986 45 81 6 3868 221 51.57 15 15 5 SR Tendulkar 1990-2012 77 135 11 6247 241* 50.37 18 30 10 M Amarnath 1976-1986 24 41 1 1936 138 48.40 4 12 3 V Kohli 2011-2018 26 46 2 2049 200 46.56 8 5 4 VVS Laxman 1997-2012 61 108 11 4105 178 42.31 8 25 7 G Gambhir 2005-2014 15 29 2 1126 167 41.70 2 6 2 DN Sardesai 1962-1971 14 24 1 944 212 41.04 3 3 1 SC Ganguly 1996-2008 46 78 6 2925 144 40.62 6 15 5 PR Umrigar 1952-1962 18 34 2 1246 172* 38.93 4 7 2 GR Viswanath 1971-1982 34 61 3 2195 114 37.84 3 18 4 MAK Pataudi 1962-1968 13 25 0 943 148 37.72 1 7 2 VS Hazare 1946-1953 17 32 2 1079 145 35.96 2 5 2 V Sehwag 2001-2012 35 64 1 2247 195 35.66 5 7 8 RJ Shastri 1981-1992 29 44 4 1371 206 34.27 5 1 4 M Azharuddin 1985-1999 40 60 3 1924 192 33.75 6 6 1 RF Surti 1962-1968 13 25 1 805 99 33.54 0 6 2 M Vijay 2010-2018 21 38 0 1247 146 32.81 2 7 3 DB Vengsarkar 1976-1992 48 82 6 2463 157 32.40 4 13 8 MH Mankad 1946-1953 15 25 1 777 184 32.37 3 3 4 CPS Chauhan 1977-1981 14 25 0 796 97 31.84 0 6 3 ED Solkar 1971-1976 12 17 3 430 67 30.71 0 4 0 AL Wadekar 1967-1974 22 41 1 1219 143 30.47 1 8 3 SV Manjrekar 1989-1996 23 38 3 1042 108 29.77 2 3 2 M Prabhakar 1990-1993 10 14 1 385 95 29.61 0 3 1 W Jaffer 2002-2008 18 34 0 1006 212 29.58 2 7 4 K Srikkanth 1985-1992 10 18 0 531 116 29.50 1 2 2 S Dhawan 2013-2018 14 26 0 750 115 28.84 1 3 2 CA Pujara 2010-2018 18 32 0 886 153 27.68 1 3 2 N Kapil Dev 1979-1994 35 44 3 1098 129 26.78 2 5 5 NS Sidhu 1989-1999 19 32 1 826 201 26.64 2 2 7 BP Patel 1974-1977 10 17 3 372 115* 26.57 1 1 0 CG Borde 1959-1968 19 34 3 776 93 25.03 0 6 6 P Roy 1952-1959 13 25 0 616 150 24.64 1 2 8 AD Gaekwad 1976-1983 11 20 2 438 81* 24.33 0 3 1 Yashpal Sharma 1979-1983 15 26 4 525 63 23.86 0 2 1 RG Sharma 2013-2018 12 21 1 455 72 22.75 0 2 3 AV Mankad 1971-1978 10 19 1 398 53* 22.11 0 1 1 S Abid Ali 1967-1974 13 23 1 482 81 21.90 0 2 0 VL Manjrekar 1952-1962 14 27 1 556 133 21.38 1 2 5 Yuvraj Singh 2005-2011 12 20 2 353 62 19.61 0 2 4 ML Jaisimha 1959-1971 14 26 2 441 101 18.37 1 1 4 He has been unstoppable in Asia and that seems to suggest that he has been in top form, but his county records are: Matches: 8 Inn: 12 Runs: 333 HS: 112 Avg: 27.75 100s: 1 50s: 1 Is he just not made for overseas matches? Problem is this comes right in middle of his top form where he his FC average in India has been 82 with over 2000 runs in 17 matches and 77 in 3 tests in Sri Lanka. Seems like he can score runs for fun on any type of pitch in subcontinent, but can't get going even at FC level away. Link to comment
gattaca Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Do we have comparison with other Indian players in county ? Tough to say otherwise. Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, gattaca said: Do we have comparison with other Indian players in county ? Tough to say otherwise. Do we really need to compare it to say that average of 27 is poor? Ashwin scored 214 runs at avg of 42.8 LORD_analyst, OpeningBatsman and velu 1 1 1 Link to comment
OpeningBatsman Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, gattaca said: Do we have comparison with other Indian players in county ? Tough to say otherwise. Ashwin out-played him with the bat, that should be enough. velu 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Should be dumped for the benefit of the team for ever.Baring SAF he has been a failure in AUS,ENG & NZL.This after playing 50+ tests.If his home record is the justification for his inclusion, then another player with slightly lesser home record but with far better away record is the better option because the allrounders in the team would cover for his extra performance in home conditions.As if there are no replacements in domestic.!!!!!!!! Even in 2nd division he is poor...that says a lot. Edited September 29, 2017 by rtmohanlal LORD_analyst 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Should be dumped for the benefit of the team for ever.Baring SAF he has been a failure in AUS,ENG & NZL.This after playing 50+ tests.If his home record is the justification for his inclusion, then another player with slightly lesser home record but with far better away record is the better option because the allrounders in the team would cover for his extra performance in home conditions.As if there are no replacements in domestic.!!!!!!!! Even in 2nd division he is poor...that says a lot. Pujara at home/Asia has no peers among current batsmen. I have lost count of how many times he saved India at home/Asia. We would have lost the 2017 test series against Aus if not for his special in Bangalore 2nd innings. Lost the 2015 away series against SL if not for his 145* in decider. Lost the Delhi 2013 test against Aus if not for his 80 odd at 80 SR. This is just a small sample. There are a lot more games too. Outside Asia we can take a call based on his performance and drop him if he doesn't score. That's fair. But in Asia, Pujara is one of the greatest ever bats both in terms of average and in terms of impact. Edited September 29, 2017 by sensible-indian Gollum 1 Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) I honestly don't understand how Pujara averaged so low in County this time. Ashwin averaged 42 in his stint without breaking a sweat. Could have averaged 60+ (needed like some 90 runs odd) if he didn't get out to innocuous deliveries multiple times. Is it because Pujara played in different pitches to the ones Ash played (who played 3 out of 4 games in New Roads)? A guy who scored 145* knock on a green seamer, should be able to play county second division. Its not like those pitches were bouncy as hell or anything. Edited September 29, 2017 by sensible-indian Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 23 minutes ago, sensible-indian said: I honestly don't understand how Pujara averaged so low in County this time. Ashwin averaged 42 in his stint without breaking a sweat. Could have averaged 60+ (needed like some 90 runs odd) if he didn't get out to innocuous deliveries multiple times. Is it because Pujara played in different pitches to the ones Ash played (who played 3 out of 4 games in New Roads)? A guy who scored 145* knock on a green seamer, should be able to play county second division. Its not like those pitches were bouncy as hell or anything. Look at the scorecards of matches played by Pujara http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013768.html 3 innings, 5 100s scores of 560 and 470 in first 2 innings. Probably there was swing on offer early on and top order crumbled in reply to huge first inning score, but after that everyone scored. http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013766.html This seems to difficult one with Rory taking 13 wickets in match and dismissing him on both ocassions. http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013755.html This again looks like slightly difficult condition, but some batsmen managed to score runs. http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/1013/1013750.html This can be considered normal with his team scoring 213 and 344. So he did bat in difficult conditions in 2 matches, 1 in normal for a test batsman and 1 on road, but thing is he was outbatted by others by fair margin. sensible-indian 1 Link to comment
OpeningBatsman Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Hopefully, won't end up like Thilan Samaraweera. Link to comment
Gollum Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, OpeningBatsman said: Hopefully, won't end up like Thilan Samaraweera. Even Samaraweera scored 2 outstanding 100s in SA against that ATG team with peak Steyn in 2011-12. If Che can have one such series overseas in the next 2 years (preferably in SA OR Eng) he is worth backing. OpeningBatsman 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 4 hours ago, OpeningBatsman said: Hopefully, won't end up like Thilan Samaraweera. I remember earlier people used to call him FTB and ridicule his batting performance. But now it seems that SL will take 3-4 Samarweeras in their team at first opportunities. Such players are underrated especially if you're playing alongside ATG and great players. In the end they complete the team. OpeningBatsman 1 Link to comment
wanted_desi Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 He won't be able to score daddy 100s, but if he can average around 40 that should be enough. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 28 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: I remember earlier people used to call him FTB and ridicule his batting performance. But now it seems that SL will take 3-4 Samarweeras in their team at first opportunities. Such players are underrated especially if you're playing alongside ATG and great players. In the end they complete the team. Agree. These people are taking home runs for granted. One two batting failures against Aussies and these guys were all jumping around saying they cannot score even at home. Gollum and Laaloo 2 Link to comment
Tibarn Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 He has a poor average overseas, but he does play a lot of balls when he bats. Career summary Grouping Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s in Australia 2014-2014 3 6 0 201 73 33.50 471 42.67 0 1 0 26 0 in England 2014-2014 5 10 0 222 55 22.20 510 43.52 0 1 1 32 0 in India 2010-2017 30 50 6 2797 206* 63.56 5537 50.51 9 12 1 334 7 in New Zealand 2014-2014 2 4 0 60 23 15.00 183 32.78 0 0 0 6 1 in South Africa 2010-2013 4 7 0 311 153 44.42 715 43.49 1 1 0 40 0 in Sri Lanka 2015-2017 4 6 1 454 153 90.80 856 53.03 3 0 1 40 1 in West Indies 2016-2016 3 2 0 62 46 31.00 226 27.43 0 0 0 4 0 Average balls faced in each country: Aus: 79 Eng: 51 NZ: 46 SA: 102 By contrast Kohli averages only 29 balls faced in England... I think this implies that although he doesn't score, he isn't being blown away by the bowling. It seems to me that he just doesn't have the scoring shots to rotate strike, so he gets bogged down at one end and the bowlers eventually work him out because of that. LORD_analyst and mishra 2 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Seems like he has done pretty good in South Africa. He has had a big problem in England. 10 innings may not be that much but for overseas, it's a lot. He needs to improve on that. NZ and Aus are flat pitches. I am backing him to improve those average there. Not sure about England though. Link to comment
Jimmy Cliff Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 His county form is worrying but even if he ends up as a Jayawardena/Samaaraweera rather than a Dravid he'd still win us more Tests than Kohli and Rahane put together. Link to comment
OpeningBatsman Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 8 hours ago, Gollum said: Even Samaraweera scored 2 outstanding 100s in SA against that ATG team with peak Steyn in 2011-12. If Che can have one such series overseas in the next 2 years (preferably in SA OR Eng) he is worth backing. 5 hours ago, Trichromatic said: I remember earlier people used to call him FTB and ridicule his batting performance. But now it seems that SL will take 3-4 Samarweeras in their team at first opportunities. Such players are underrated especially if you're playing alongside ATG and great players. In the end they complete the team. I think Che will perform well in SA n Aus as long as ball is not swinging around.. In ENG n NZ though, I am not so sure.. hoping for the best. BeautifulGame 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) the main point is not Pujara's performance. It is as to what the cricket management is doing to counter the below par performance of such main players.For instance promising players like Shreyas Iyer, Karun Nair etc etc would have been tested in non consequential matches when ever there have been oppertunities .For instance both Iyer and Nair could have been tested once the series were already deceided in NZL, ENG home tests & WI ,SL abroad tests. But unfortunately that has not been happening. Edited October 1, 2017 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I think Che will perform well in SA n Aus as long as ball is not swinging around.. In ENG n NZ though, I am not so sure.. hoping for the best. Pujara issue is just not swing.He also struggles against Bounce Lyon generated last time.So Australia won't be easy. OpeningBatsman 1 Link to comment
Texan Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Thats a very poor return for an international batsman who was in top form before this. We have known that he us pretty poor outside Asia. We should give him one more away tour before we decide to continue with him overseas or not. Would like to see us separating home teams from away teams. Players like Pujara are Must-Haves in home matches, but struggle mightily outside Asia. Just like we have separate Test vs ODI team, we should start considering whether a batsman should play only SC matches or non SC matches or both. Link to comment
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