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7 minutes ago, beetle said:

We need proof to say Saha would have caught those catches but no proof needed to assume Dhawan would have scored runs.

His only saving grace is that when projecting forward, there is never any proof, only strong indications. Not so favourably for him, while there are quite strong indications Saha would have caught those, there are no indications -- neither strong nor weak -- that Dhawan would have scored anything.

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9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Yes. Ashwin , Pandya are  better than Kohli because they "outscored" Kohli in the last test.  Bhuvaneswar is better than Kohli in England because he outscored him. 

 

11 hours ago, Khota said:

You know this exactly how? BTW Dhawan is not a Punjabi.

He is .

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@Khota I have nothing personal against anyone on this forum. I apologize if my post hurt your feelings but your posts about Saha, Ashwin, Rahul and Vijay, I am unable to comprehend.

Just answer this part if you want to, if you don't want to forget it, no need to get worked up over trivial matters.  

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"You keep saying that Dhawan outscored Vijay in the 1st test and that is why he is better. But then Ashwin outscored all our batsmen in 2nd innings of 1st test and again outscored all but VK/Vijay this test. Then why the hate towards Ashwin? You say he should never play again in spite of his performance. He got 5 wickets in the match and 6 catches were dropped of his bowling, you say there are 3 spinners better than him and abuse him. Same with your drivel against Saha, he averages about equal to PP yet is a safer keeper, yet you seem to hate him"

 

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And @Khota I don't bother about zones and no I am not a closet racist or anything like that. Born and brought up in Bengal and lived/studied/worked in many states all across India, I don't identify with a particular region. I have a soft corner for our test specialists and don't rate IPL and white ball cricket that much, so in that way I may be a bit biased towards the red ball specialists. 

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5 minutes ago, beetle said:

So did saha by his record making 10 catches.

If there were ten catches tobe had Parthiv could have done it too. We are going around in circles.

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5 minutes ago, Khota said:

If there were ten catches tobe had Parthiv could have done it too. We are going around in circles.

Lmao, dropthiv would have taken 10 catches in 5 matches. What is the point of arguing with someone who doesn't have the brain cells to know that people are supporting rahul and saha because of their overall records and that your entire argument is based on one SINGLE match which goes against every analysis or sample side. Keep on making arguments like a little kid

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5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

And @Khota I don't bother about zones and no I am not a closet racist or anything like that. Born and brought up in Bengal and lived/studied/worked in many states all across India, I don't identify with a particular region. I have a soft corner for our test specialists and don't rate IPL and white ball cricket that much, so in that way I may be a bit biased towards the red ball specialists. 

If you have read any of my posts about Ganguly you will understand why and how much I love him. It is a man crush. He was the first Indian to get rid of zonal quotas and the best captain ever. Not perfect but definitely the best.

 

I have spent countless summers in Calcutta one of the nicest city with nicest people on earth. Around Durga Puja time thw entire city was fun. Nothing but respect for my fellow Bengalis. I just never felt Saha was ever going to be at that level. My preference was karthik followed by Patel. Pant is fom Delhi but as I mentioned before he is not ready for primetime yet.

 

It is never about zonal for me and never will be. Growing up I saw zonal abuse by Mumbai and then Azhar. hate that stuff.

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Lot of speculation. Nothing concrete. If he was taking five time the catches his total catches would have been x5 more over the career. Why does it not show anywhere that he x5 the # of catches.

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

These are in last 18 mnths and a few in this test match the end figure will be above 10

Looking at that video again, f*** me ... that was almost straight down (conventional) 1st slip's throat

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Lot of speculation. Nothing concrete. If he was taking five time the catches his total catches would have been x5 more over the career. Why does it not show anywhere that he x5 the # of catches.
Fact is Parthiv was dropped from test side due to poor keeping same with Karthik.

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11 minutes ago, philcric said:

 

1st test - Saha

Opportunities - 10

Caught - 10

Dropped - 0

 

2nd test - Parthiv

Opportunities - 7

Caught - 4

Dropped - 3

 

 

The bigger problem is that a truly great wicketkeeper makes half-chance look regulation (or atleast doable), while bad keepers make regulation chances look 50-50. And then there are those that shamelessly stand there while a regulation chance goes between 1st slip and keeper ... and still stay in the team (one of them uninterrupted for close to a decade, another one with comebacks after long periods of time) :wall:

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3 hours ago, The Dark Horse said:

Vijay's flop show is the most irritating. Getting a start and giving it away in the first inning :facepalm:IMO, that was the turning point of the match.

Vijay failing consistently cost us the series. End of the story.

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16 hours ago, Khota said:

Vijay failing consistently cost us the series. End of the story.

Kohli's selection blunders (Rahane/Bhuvi), dropped catches, Pujara's no show, Rahul/Dhawan not firing etc didn't cost us the series, it is entirely down to 1 man you say? That shows your admiration for him, kitna bada khiladi hai yeh, Vijay fail to poora team fail. 

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7 hours ago, Gollum said:

Kohli's selection blunders (Rahane/Bhuvi), dropped catches, Pujara's no show, Rahul/Dhawan not firing etc didn't cost us the series, it is entirely down to 1 man you say? That shows your admiration for him, kitna bada khiladi hai yeh, Vijay fail to poora team fail. 

Everyone shares the blame but for India to do well outside openers have to put run on the board. My words may be harsh but I was letting the haters of Dhawan know that him out of team is not the answer.

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26 minutes ago, Khota said:

Everyone shares the blame but for India to do well outside openers have to put run on the board. My words may be harsh but I was letting the haters of Dhawan know that him out of team is not the answer.

Dhawan's drop is the single most reason why India lost hte first test.

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Just now, vvvslaxman said:

Dhawan's drop is the single most reason why India lost hte first test.

Vijay/Rahul not putting runs was India lost the series. Supporting a utter failure is futile.

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9 minutes ago, Khota said:

Vijay/Rahul not putting runs was India lost the series. Supporting a utter failure is futile.

Nope. Utter failure is Dhawan. Zero performance outside Asia. Just 1 fifty. average of 22. Even tailenders would have better avge.

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4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Nope. Utter failure is Dhawan. Zero performance outside Asia. Just 1 fifty. average of 22. Even tailenders would have better avge.

Which part of this you fail to understand. he outscored Vijay in the first test.

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

Which part of this you fail to understand. he outscored Vijay in the first test.

What part of cricket u dnt understand , choices are not made on one game 

Dhawan n rohit has been atrocious over the years in test cricket overseas  

Outscore Outscore......16 run hi maare

Vijay has been successful in past, dhawan has never been in past nor in present coz 16 is still a failure 

 

Vijay has scored enough to earn breathing space during failure, dhawan was kicked from test squad and hadnt it been minnow SL series he wud have been playing domestic cricket while team wud have been in Sa

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5 hours ago, Khota said:

Which part of this you fail to understand. he outscored Vijay in the first test.

He dropped a sitter which allowed the opposition to post 100 runs more. We lost by less than that. He should be kicked out for next overseas tests just for that.

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2 hours ago, Vilander said:

openers were **** all three of them. do we have any one better waiting ?

No we dont. Our best three are Dhawan, Rahane and Rohit followed by Dinesh and Rahul.

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45 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He dropped a sitter which allowed the opposition to post 100 runs more. We lost by less than that. He should be kicked out for next overseas tests just for that.

Which catch did he drop in the second test when Vijay/rahul lost it again for India. Let us blame Dhawan even when he was not playing.

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

What part of cricket u dnt understand , choices are not made on one game 

Dhawan n rohit has been atrocious over the years in test cricket overseas  

Outscore Outscore......16 run hi maare

Vijay has been successful in past, dhawan has never been in past nor in present coz 16 is still a failure 

 

Vijay has scored enough to earn breathing space during failure, dhawan was kicked from test squad and hadnt it been minnow SL series he wud have been playing domestic cricket while team wud have been in Sa

There is something called having a good current form. Dhawan has the hot hand right now. Once again side by side if given opportunity Dhawan will outperform Vijay.

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21 minutes ago, Khota said:

There is something called having a good current form. Dhawan has the hot hand right now. Once again side by side if given opportunity Dhawan will outperform Vijay.

Current form on patta against lowest ranked side. M Vijay scored 2 centuries against the same side. Dhawan is certified hack. He proved several times in the same innings in the only test he played. Your ridiculous argument of he scored 10 runs more than him so he is better is getting old. I also showed how he made those runs. All streakily edging through slips. There was nothing convincing about his batting in these parts. He is worse than Mohammad shami if anything. I would gladly open with mohammad shami ahead of Dhawan. GUbber is good when there are not many slips and there are restrictions for bowlers like in ODIs. Outside Asia he sucks balls in Tests.

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Current form on patta against lowest ranked side. M Vijay scored 2 centuries against the same side. Dhawan is certified hack. He proved several times in the same innings in the only test he played. Your ridiculous argument of he scored 10 runs more than him so he is better is getting old. I also showed how he made those runs. All streakily edging through slips. There was nothing convincing about his batting in these parts. He is worse than Mohammad shami if anything. I would gladly open with mohammad shami ahead of Dhawan. GUbber is good when there are not many slips and there are restrictions for bowlers like in ODIs. Outside Asia he sucks balls in Tests.

That sums it up. Shows all your objectivity.

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3 minutes ago, Khota said:

That sums it up. Shows all your objectivity.

Looking at how they handled bouncers, Shami looked better lol Dhawan got out to regulation bouncers. Lungi would have owned him left right center. I am still waiting for proof that he would have done well. There is zero evidence. No past records that we can speak of.  Even his short stay was painful to watch. 

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14 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Looking at how they handled bouncers, Shami looked better lol Dhawan got out to regulation bouncers. Lungi would have owned him left right center. I am still waiting for proof that he would have done well. There is zero evidence. No past records that we can speak of.  Even his short stay was painful to watch. 

What more proof do you want. He ouscored your boy. If that is not good enough for you there would be nothing good enough for you. I hope they let him play one more tests and when he outscore Vijay peope like you would be still making excusues. You will never run out of excuses for non performers. 

The only way to end this discussion is for Vijay to outscore Dhawan. Not happening.

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11 minutes ago, Khota said:

What more proof do you want. He ouscored your boy. If that is not good enough for you there would be nothing good enough for you. I hope they let him play one more tests and when he outscore Vijay peope like you would be still making excusues. You will never run out of excuses for non performers. 

The only way to end this discussion is for Vijay to outscore Dhawan. Not happening.

Players are treated as a sum lol Dhawan dropped Maharaja very early which allowed SA to pile up 100 runs more. As a sum Vijay outscored him by more than 50 runs . Your boy scored -70 odd in the last test.  Given the way he got out in both the innings Kohli dropped his own buddy. On a seaming track if you get out to seaming balls i would agree. He got out to bouncing ball lol. That is ptahetic. He couldn't play swing, seam, bounce anything.

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1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Players are treated as a sum lol Dhawan dropped Maharaja very early which allowed SA to pile up 100 runs more. As a sum Vijay outscored him by more than 50 runs . Your boy scored -70 odd in the last test.  Given the way he got out in both the innings Kohli dropped his own buddy. On a seaming track if you get out to seaming balls i would agree. He got out to bouncing ball lol. That is ptahetic. He couldn't play swing, seam, bounce anything.

I have never seen anyone look at playres as you are doing now. It does not fit your narrative so you change as you move along. If that is the case then cricket needs to keep errors as baseball does otherwise they need to start retroactively deducting runs.

 

Once again getting back to runs scored if he was so pathetic how did he score more runs than the pathetic Vijay. Kohli under pressure dropped him because it is people like you who insist that certain plyers need to be in the team. Merit should be the only criteria but that will not suit you. 

 

Let your boy score more runs so that his spot is not debated. Else you are firing blanks.

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7 minutes ago, Khota said:

I have never seen anyone look at playres as you are doing now. It does not fit your narrative so you change as you move along. If that is the case then cricket needs to keep errors as baseball does otherwise they need to start retroactively deducting runs.

 

Once again getting back to runs scored if he was so pathetic how did he score more runs than the pathetic Vijay. Kohli under pressure dropped him because it is people like you who insist that certain plyers need to be in the team. Merit should be the only criteria but that will not suit you. 

 

Let your boy score more runs so that his spot is not debated. Else you are firing blanks.

Because your argument of he scored 10 runs more so he is better is absolutely ridiculous. There were several occasions some random tailender outscoring an ace middle order batsman. You cannot use that to say "tailender is better'. When you come up with such a ludicrous argument we have to drill into your head why Dhawan is such colossal failure. "outscore" "outscore" lol This retarded argument even Dhawan will laugh at.  Even Kohli knows M Vijay is million times more useful overseas than Dhawan. Dhawan is a lottery player who would do well in one dayers with field restrictions, bowling restrictions. But in Tests with crowded slips and a short square leg is a sitting duck. That is why his total average is only 22 overseas. Vijay's average is 40. Not only that . He saw off new ball efficiently numerous times. Dhawan after edging his way to 12 or 14 would get out. Ball would still be new. Middle order gets exposed.  So he is a totally useless batsman in these conditions. Suitable only for Asian conditions

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6 hours ago, Khota said:

There is something called having a good current form. Dhawan has the hot hand right now. Once again side by side if given opportunity Dhawan will outperform Vijay.

Current form by what smashing a minnow

Look at rohit sharma smashed a minnow came here and wahi purani kahani 

2013 rohit smashed 200 went to Sa - fail

2013 dhawan was in prime form went to SA- fail

2014 rohit smashed another 200 went to Aus- fail

2014 dhawan was in form went to Aus- fail 

 

Making runs on patta is diff then making runs on Sa difficult tracks which requires skill which is lacked by these 2 gentlemen no wonder ashwin avg higher then them . 

 

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7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Because your argument of he scored 10 runs more so he is better is absolutely ridiculous. There were several occasions some random tailender outscoring an ace middle order batsman. You cannot use that to say "tailender is better'. When you come up with such a ludicrous argument we have to drill into your head why Dhawan is such colossal failure. "outscore" "outscore" lol This retarded argument even Dhawan will laugh at.  Even Kohli knows M Vijay is million times more useful overseas than Dhawan. Dhawan is a lottery player who would do well in one dayers with field restrictions, bowling restrictions. But in Tests with crowded slips and a short square leg is a sitting duck. That is why his total average is only 22 overseas. Vijay's average is 40. Not only that . He saw off new ball efficiently numerous times. Dhawan after edging his way to 12 or 14 would get out. Ball would still be new. Middle order gets exposed.  So he is a totally useless batsman in these conditions. Suitable only for Asian conditions

He score more than 10.

You keep on giving flawed arguments. tailenders mostly get old balls and tired bowlers. When you come as a tailender there is a factor of fatigue so absolutely those runs are not same as those of openers.

I am glad you know what goes inside Kohlis head because I clearly could not figure out what he doing when he picked tow guys below Dhawan and promoted them.

Old averages do not count. Current means present.

Your last senstence is the exact reason why we are two down because of Vijay.

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6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Current form by what smashing a minnow

Look at rohit sharma smashed a minnow came here and wahi purani kahani 

2013 rohit smashed 200 went to Sa - fail

2013 dhawan was in prime form went to SA- fail

2014 rohit smashed another 200 went to Aus- fail

2014 dhawan was in form went to Aus- fail 

 

Making runs on patta is diff then making runs on Sa difficult tracks which requires skill which is lacked by these 2 gentlemen no wonder ashwin avg higher then them . 

 

We can start a new thread about Rohit. I do not understand your problem with Rohit. He is the top 5 batsman in India. When all is said and done the total runs in SA will reveal that. Look at Rohit objectively without your personal preference.

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36 minutes ago, Khota said:

He score more than 10.

You keep on giving flawed arguments. tailenders mostly get old balls and tired bowlers. When you come as a tailender there is a factor of fatigue so absolutely those runs are not same as those of openers.

I am glad you know what goes inside Kohlis head because I clearly could not figure out what he doing when he picked tow guys below Dhawan and promoted them.

Old averages do not count. Current means present.

Your last senstence is the exact reason why we are two down because of Vijay.

He scored 36 runs and faced 25 less number of balls than M Vijay.  Vijay made 15 runs. Your main job in these parts is seeing off new ball. He couldn't even face that many balls. Scoring 15 runs more and facing 25 balls less is pretty much useless for team. Even the runs he scored was streaky. How the heck you justify this crap with crap argument

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40 minutes ago, Khota said:

We can start a new thread about Rohit. I do not understand your problem with Rohit. He is the top 5 batsman in India. When all is said and done the total runs in SA will reveal that. Look at Rohit objectively without your personal preference.

I have no issues with anyone, neither is my cousion . Dhawan rohit will be my fixed names in ODi after kohli in test not even on bench. U think m crazy like kohli that ill play guys who avg below 30 overseas and batsman whose avg are beaten by tail enders

 

M looking at it objectively why shud i play a guy avg 23 overseas in SA

 

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HE is top 5 batsman in ODi n t20, in test he is no way in top 6 even .......

 

 

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I have no issues with anyone, neither is my cousion . Dhawan rohit will be my fixed names in ODi after kohli in test not even on bench. U think m crazy like kohli that ill play guys who avg below 30 overseas and batsman whose avg are beaten by tail enders

 

M looking at it objectively why shud i play a guy avg 23 overseas in SA

 

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HE is top 5 batsman in ODi n t20, in test he is no way in top 6 even .......

 

 

If you honestly dont have any issues with Rohit then we can continue this diiscussion.

 

He is indeed the top 5 now that is currently. Dont look at the previous averages and old stats. This is the current Rohit we are talking about. He is in touch, and is seeing the ball really well. Go look at the current stats for this tour and comeback and tell us all that he is not top 5. I will listen to you.

 

I have no idea why Rohit gets such a bad rap on this forum. Instead of appreciating him people ridicule him. The current Rohit can walk into any batting line up in the world. If he does bad I would be the first one to critisize him but currently he is my go to guy. Great player.

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