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Those who wanted Vijay/rahul over Dhawan - Time to eat a crow

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13 minutes ago, Number said:

Should have bumped it after Rahul Vijay had dropped 3 catches each.

You do know what your response is called in legal circles?

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23 minutes ago, Khota said:

It is appropriate to bump this thread. 

 

Now bombard me with some Shyt stats.

It is anything but appropriate to bump this thread, in fact it is one of the dumbest bumps ever

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Apart from few posters most said Vijay is not that good. I've mentioned here quite a few times that Vijay is far over-rated. Having said that Vijay is much muchuch better than Dhawan. Dhawan is a hack like Sharma and can never succeed in tests in England. In India/subcontinent I would be tempted to pick Dhawan over Vijay.

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5 hours ago, kira said:

It is anything but appropriate to bump this thread, in fact it is one of the dumbest bumps ever

It is acceptable for Vijay and rahul to fail but any transgression by Dhawan and it gets blown.

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5 hours ago, Pollack said:

Apart from few posters most said Vijay is not that good. I've mentioned here quite a few times that Vijay is far over-rated. Having said that Vijay is much muchuch better than Dhawan. Dhawan is a hack like Sharma and can never succeed in tests in England. In India/subcontinent I would be tempted to pick Dhawan over Vijay.

he was not overrated , its jst that he has made runs in overseas which isnt easy. So the players who make runs in tough conditions will always have a diff value even though he has been inconsistent but atleast he has done it....coz we hardly find players who can do it . Look at rahane...he is so below avg at home but his runs overseas gives him a diff reputation 

 

But yea looks like he has gone really down, those runs can give him extra rope but one day rope ends 

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Open with Aswhin, Pandya (if Dev Saab is undroppable) then play Rahul, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Pant etc.

 

Also bring in Shaw and Gill, desperate times need desperate measure, we can't win this series with the current top 3 or just 3 good batters in a squad of 18 :facepalm:

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19 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Open with Aswhin, Pandya (if Dev Saab is undroppable) then play Rahul, Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Pant etc.

 

Also bring in Shaw and Gill, desperate times need desperate measure, we can't win this series with the current top 3 or just 3 good batters in a squad of 18 :facepalm:

So you partly agree with the batting order reversal theory :icflove:.

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Just now, Gollum said:

So you partly agree with the batting order reversal theory :icflove:.

I advocated for Ashwin opening before the first test as well, I also knew the whole batting is in a hell hole, no form or confidence. We can't rely on Kohli all 10 innings, we also need a mini miracle this test, it was so unfair on the first day. I do believe that we'll do better if we escape this game, without a result.

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1 minute ago, raki05 said:

So u think ur solution to opening predicament is Dhawan :hysterical:

Dhawan or Rahul, it makes no difference.Dhawan atleast has proven track record in odis.Has won major trophy.Rahul is nothing but overrated so far in his career.

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11 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dhawan or Rahul, it makes no difference.Dhawan atleast has proven track record in odis.Has won major trophy.Rahul is nothing but overrated so far in his career.

If his excellency has not seen the thread we are discussing abt test. Do you know how many odi dhwan has as compare to Rahul. Also dhawan should not have been near to test team. Rahul is much better player of test cricket but with current team management in helm none of the players have any confidence other than friends and family.

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13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dhawan or Rahul, it makes no difference.Dhawan atleast has proven track record in odis.Has won major trophy.Rahul is nothing but overrated so far in his career.

Rahul helped us win Test series against Australia in a tough home conditions. I mean it's not a surprise for an IPL fan like you, that LOIs matters more. 

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18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Dhawan or Rahul, it makes no difference.Dhawan atleast has proven track record in odis.Has won major trophy.Rahul is nothing but overrated so far in his career.

Disagree. Rahul can be worked upon and should be given more chances. Dhawan should not play tests in SENA countries. In subcontinent, I would pick him in place of Vijay. 

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8 minutes ago, raki05 said:

If his excellency has not seen the thread we are discussing abt test. Do you know how many odi dhwan has as compare to Rahul. Also dhawan should not have been near to test team. Rahul is much better player of test cricket but with current team management in helm none of the players have any confidence other than friends and family.

Why should Dhawan not be anywhere near the team, on what basis is he inferior to clown like Rahul. How is Rahul better, this guy has played more tests in last two tours than Dhawan.

 

Dhawan or Rahul it does not matter both are useless.Add Vjiay and Rahane to that list.

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5 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Disagree. Rahul can be worked upon and should be given more chances. Dhawan should not play tests in SENA countries. In subcontinent, I would pick him in place of Vijay. 

Rahul is being given more chances and he has shown nothing .

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8 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Why should Dhawan not be anywhere near the team, on what basis is he inferior to clown like Rahul. How is Rahul better, this guy has played more tests in last two tours than Dhawan.

 

Dhawan or Rahul it does not matter both are useless.Add Vjiay and Rahane to that list.

Are you blind he has won us a series where kohli was averaging 9. Jus because u hate Rahul doesn't make him bad . Oh do everyone shall drop. Have you ever tried to find out how come Rahane who was one of the best overseas suddenly start failing in this season . What is ur opinion abt kohli masterful stroke of selecting sharma over rahane in test. Just imagine if ur boss is always after ur ass that he would get rid of u for his family and friends for one silly mistake, imagine how hard it would be to deliver efficiently in those situation. I still regard kohli  highly as batsmen but he is the main culprit for this nightmare in eng where everyone is feared for their position and player like sharks/ dhawan are still toted as Savior for test.

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12 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Disagree. Rahul can be worked upon and should be given more chances. Dhawan should not play tests in SENA countries. In subcontinent, I would pick him in place of Vijay. 

He is blind kohli supporter and ardent Rahul hater.

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Rahul is being given more chances and he has shown nothing .
We have to be patient with Rahul,Away tours on this type of pitches are tough for young batsman.

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1 minute ago, raki05 said:

Are you blind he has won us a series where kohli was averaging 9. Jus because u hate Rahul doesn't make him bad . Oh do everyone shall drop. Have you ever tried to find out how come Rahane who was one of the best overseas suddenly start failing in this season . What is ur opinion abt kohli masterful stroke of selecting sharks over rohit in test. Just imagine if ur boss is always after ur ass that ur boss would get rid of u for his family and friends for one silky mistake, imagine how hard it would be to deliver efficiently in those situation. I still regard kohli  highly as batsmen but he is the main culprit for this nightmare in eng where everyone is feared for their position and player like sharks/ dhawan are still toted as Savior for test.

Did Dhawan play that series. I don't hate Rahul how did you come to that conclusion.I just don't rate him high and can't stand when people are making him as if he is a victim.

 

Rahane like Vijay had his moments in 2014/15 which is 3 years ago.I always maintained dropping Rahane was not a big deal in SA as he is not a Bradman.

 

There is no batsmen in this team who is part of solution for overseas problems other than Kohli.Everyone is interchangable.

 

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4 minutes ago, CG said:
15 minutes ago, putrevus said:
Rahul is being given more chances and he has shown nothing .

We have to be patient with Rahul,Away tours on this type of pitches are tough for young batsman.

Exactly.

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Its convenient to look back and say Dhawan would have been a better choice. In reality we dont know. He could have gone for two ducks as well. If he wants to cement his place he needs to put in consistent performances.

 

Any one of Dhawan, Rahul or Vijay could have been replaced. None of them justified their place in the first test. 

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2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Did Dhawan play that series. I don't hate Rahul how did you come to that conclusion.I just don't rate him high and can't stand when people are making him as if he is a victim.

 

Rahane like Vijay had his moments in 2014/15 which is 3 years ago.I always maintained dropping Rahane was not a big deal in SA as he is not a Bradman.

 

There is no batsmen in this team who is part of solution for overseas problems other than Kohli.Everyone is interchangable.

 

Oh bhai do u know what was  rahane overseas avg before start of this season it was better than kohli. Rahane is no Bradman and so does ikohli. Indeed Rahul is a victim. Why he was dropped during eng odi just after one failure when he clearly trumped everyone in just concluded t20 series . Why he was dropped for dhwan against NZ and sl tour of India when he was one of the best performer against Aus series. I dont care who u rate or not but not seeing any wrong with kohli biasedness towards certain players shows u r biasedness  and that's where opinion lacks credeblity.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Don't worry Rahul will get chances all this series, we will really see what he is capable off.4 tests and counting he has done nothing.

Its really tough to open in this eng condition I bet had kohli has to come in until few over he would not have survived. His 150 was also on the back of 3 chances which he got  and he bottled exactly when we needed him during morning season where Pandya was able to survive. So not sure y u r complaining abt Rahul. I agree he needs to improve but he is least of our problems.

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Just now, raki05 said:

Its really tough to open in this eng condition I bet had kohli has to come in inintial few over he would not have survived. His 150 was also on the back of 3 chances which he got  and he bottled exactly when we needed him during morning season where Pandya was able to survive. So not sure y u r complaining abt Rahul. I agree he needs to improve but he is least of our problems.

 

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12 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Oh bhai do u know what was  rahane overseas avg before start of this season it was better than kohli. Rahane is no Bradman and so does ikohli. Indeed Rahul is a victim. Why he was dropped during eng odi just after one failure when he clearly trumped everyone in just concluded t20 series . Why he was dropped for dhwan against NZ and sl tour of India when he was one of the best performer against Aus series. I dont care who u rate or not but not seeing any wrong with kohli biasedness towards certain players shows u r biasedness  and that's where opinion lacks credeblity.

Don't mix formats, let us just talk tests first, how is Rahul being short changed???? They played Dhawan for first test for both tour and then he has been dropped.Pujara got axe in this tour and Rahul got axe in SA.When did India play NZ in tests recently.SL series before SA they rotated all three openers and I don't see anything wrong in it.

 

But what exactly has Rahul done when has been selected. I did not ask you to care what I rate. I just gave my opinion. I have no bias for anyone. Kohli if he does stupid things like selecting second spinner has to be called out.But this test is all about batting woes.

 

Bye for now can't take this anymore.

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12 hours ago, raki05 said:

So u think ur solution to opening predicament is Dhawan :hysterical:

No, just a stop gap. he also is not a world beater right now. I dont know the long term solution.

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1 minute ago, Khota said:

Still better than both. It is lonely at the top.

35 is nothing to write home about. Ideally both should be kicked out draft Shaw in. Dhawan is not playing his first Test series.  

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1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

35 is nothing to write home about. Ideally both should be kicked out draft Shaw in. Dhawan is not playing his first Test series.  

I agree . Should be looking at the replacements but I will not give up rahul or Dhawan. Vijay was plain clueless last test.

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