anish2tweet Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 17/01/2018 at 5:57 AM, Khota said: Vijay was destined to fail and he did not disappoint. How are you saying 'destined to fail'? I could not see technical flaws in Vijay but I saw plenty in Dhawan. Also Dhawan has consistently failed overseas whereas Vijay rocked abroad. How are you saying that Dhawan would have done well? On what basis you are backing Dhawan when we can see clearly that he has problems with short ball? Link to comment
Khota Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, anish2tweet said: How are you saying 'destined to fail'? I could not see technical flaws in Vijay but I saw plenty in Dhawan. Also Dhawan has consistently failed overseas whereas Vijay rocked abroad. How are you saying that Dhawan would have done well? On what basis you are backing Dhawan when we can see clearly that he has problems with short ball? Harsh words on my part. Vijay is good and dont get me wrong but currently I think Dhawan has the edge. I personally want Vijay to go out and score a century next time. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/20/2018 at 12:20 PM, Khota said: So in short Vijay scored less but faced few more balls. Your main job is to score runs and see the ball off just not seeing the ball off. Now if the criteria is to have a batsman just not score for two days and see the ball off I will look for a adequate replacement. Currently Dhawan is a better option. It will not register with you but maybe later on. I have a gut feeling if Dhawan playes the next game guess who will score more. Can you confidently say your boy will score more? I can. No. What i am saying his gigantic surplus runs of 15 runs was basically useless. All of them were streaky. Basically that guy survived by luck. If you can't objectively see that you are helpless. There are millions of instances some random tailender outscores a middle order batsman. You cannot justify his place over the specialist because of that. You are completely ignoring the point. sandeep 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 18 hours ago, Khota said: Harsh words on my part. Vijay is good and dont get me wrong but currently I think Dhawan has the edge. I personally want Vijay to go out and score a century next time. What edge. Except his bat edge he has nothing. He is a great hack in one dayer. But in Tests with slip worse than a tailender. We all saw how he played Morkels bounce. Embarrassing . Link to comment
Khota Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: No. What i am saying his gigantic surplus runs of 15 runs was basically useless. All of them were streaky. Basically that guy survived by luck. If you can't objectively see that you are helpless. There are millions of instances some random tailender outscores a middle order batsman. You cannot justify his place over the specialist because of that. You are completely ignoring the point. 28 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: What edge. Except his bat edge he has nothing. He is a great hack in one dayer. But in Tests with slip worse than a tailender. We all saw how he played Morkels bounce. Embarrassing . All you do is argue with lot of hotair. You are not sure that your boy will score more runs but you keep on saying he is better. Is it not an irony? When you talk about tailenders scoring more and comparing them with openers I have lost all respect for you and your limited knowledge of cricket. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, Khota said: All you do is argue with lot of hotair. You are not sure that your boy will score more runs but you keep on saying he is better. Is it not an irony? When you talk about tailenders scoring more and comparing them with openers I have lost all respect for you and your limited knowledge of cricket. I was merely using your dumb logic to show how dumb that logic is. He scored 10 runs more so he is better. Who would argue like that? Someone who has no knowledge of nuances in cricket, someone who lacks observation skills to understand the difference between a good batsman and a hack against a given set of conditions. We can be ignorant of all those things. But atleast you should look at history before opening your mouth. There is no history that suggest Dhawan would do well in Tests in these parts. He confirmed that with his two streaky innings in the first Test. And rightfully kicked out by his own buddy. As a testimony M Vijay made 46 runs in the first innings in the 2nd test. I am still amazed that you are still sticking to your retarded logic. Link to comment
Khota Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: I was merely using your dumb logic to show how dumb that logic is. He scored 10 runs more so he is better. Who would argue like that? Someone who has no knowledge of nuances in cricket, someone who lacks observation skills to understand the difference between a good batsman and a hack against a given set of conditions. We can be ignorant of all those things. But atleast you should look at history before opening your mouth. There is no history that suggest Dhawan would do well in Tests in these parts. He confirmed that with his two streaky innings in the first Test. And rightfully kicked out by his own buddy. As a testimony M Vijay made 46 runs in the first innings in the 2nd test. I am still amazed that you are still sticking to your retarded logic. You are losing it. I would argue like that all day long because it is meaningful as it is side by side. Dhawan did not play the second test on the easy pitch. Could have won with him. Edited January 22, 2018 by Khota Link to comment
putrevus Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) There was no sideways movement nor bounce which was on offer in first test. I am not saying Dhawan would have succeeded,Dhawan simply does not have tools to succeed when ball is moving, but can anyone say for sure Rahul has tools to succeed when there is movement. People keep bringing up his 100 in Australia but that was scored on a very very flat wicket, where has Rahul showed that he has technical skills to counteract movement or bounce.Even if he has he is his own worst enemy because he has literally gifted his wickets many times. Edited January 22, 2018 by putrevus Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Khota said: You are losing it. I would argue like that all day long because it is meaningful as it is side by side. Dhawan did not play the second test on the easy pitch. Could have won with him. Nope. find someone here who agrees with your dumb logic. There is literally none. Yea. All the matches that are missed by Dhawan are easy pitches lol. I can argue Saurabh Tiwary would have scored 200. As long as there is no logic you can say that too. Link to comment
Khota Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Nope. find someone here who agrees with your dumb logic. There is literally none. Yea. All the matches that are missed by Dhawan are easy pitches lol. I can argue Saurabh Tiwary would have scored 200. As long as there is no logic you can say that too. That is your problem. You seek other peoples approval. That is not important. Only thing that matters is runs scored. Rest is all noise. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, Khota said: That is your problem. You seek other peoples approval. That is not important. Only thing that matters is runs scored. Rest is all noise. Thanks for proving again and again that your argument is pretty childish with no cricketing knowledge. Link to comment
Khota Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Thanks for proving again and again that your argument is pretty childish with no cricketing knowledge. With 100K posts and comparing runs scored by tail enders as same as the runs by openers. I am really enlightened by you the wise one. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Khota said: With 100K posts and comparing runs scored by tail enders as same as the runs by openers. I am really enlightened by you the wise one. Well... comparison was made using your logic. You didn't get the drift. That is not exactly my problem. Link to comment
diga Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 hours ago, putrevus said: There was no sideways movement nor bounce which was on offer in first test. I am not saying Dhawan would have succeeded,Dhawan simply does not have tools to succeed when ball is moving, but can anyone say for sure Rahul has tools to succeed when there is movement. People keep bringing up his 100 in Australia but that was scored on a very very flat wicket, where has Rahul showed that he has technical skills to counteract movement or bounce.Even if he has he is his own worst enemy because he has literally gifted his wickets many times. We will not know unless Rahul is given a chance. You forgot his 50s & 100s against Eng/Aus/SL in India as an opener.. Although the conditions may not have been as challenging as in SA, he did not perform badly.. As for SA, I think more than the pitch, the turmoil within the team did have an effect on the performance of the players (be it Dhawan or Rahul). We can wait till Eng series before declaring a verdict on either of them . Link to comment
anish2tweet Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Khota said: You are losing it. I would argue like that all day long because it is meaningful as it is side by side. Dhawan did not play the second test on the easy pitch. Could have won with him. I good ball would have got him as is always the case with all the Indian batsmen Link to comment
Khota Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, diga said: We will not know unless Rahul is given a chance. You forgot his 50s & 100s against Eng/Aus/SL in India as an opener.. Although the conditions may not have been as challenging as in SA, he did not perform badly.. As for SA, I think more than the pitch, the turmoil within the team did have an effect on the performance of the players (be it Dhawan or Rahul). We can wait till Eng series before declaring a verdict on either of them . I think both are important in the future. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 7 hours ago, diga said: We will not know unless Rahul is given a chance. You forgot his 50s & 100s against Eng/Aus/SL in India as an opener.. Although the conditions may not have been as challenging as in SA, he did not perform badly.. As for SA, I think more than the pitch, the turmoil within the team did have an effect on the performance of the players (be it Dhawan or Rahul). We can wait till Eng series before declaring a verdict on either of them . Gabbar is a solid ODI player in most conditions. Ofcourse we won't be getting seaming pitches with bowlers having no restrictions in one dayers. But in Tests bowlers can bowl a little wider, they can bowl two bouncers, you will see crowded slips. His problem is bounce. On certain pitches he might do well in England like Azharuddin did where the bounce and movement. Only way Gabbar can score anything here is when the ball doesn't rise above knee. He doesn't have the ability to leae the ball like M Vijay does. M Vijay is next only to the likes of Sunny, Dravid when it comes to knowing where his off stump is. Just the shot selection has to be fixed. Gabbar has whole lot more issues. I agree about Rahul. His confidence is totally shot. He is fidgety, nervous. He is a better player than this. He should be given a 5 or 6 test run regardless of failures. Detonator, Ankit_sharma03 and saik 3 Link to comment
Detonator Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 33 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Gabbar is a solid ODI player in most conditions. Ofcourse we won't be getting seaming pitches with bowlers having no restrictions in one dayers. But in Tests bowlers can bowl a little wider, they can bowl two bouncers, you will see crowded slips. His problem is bounce. On certain pitches he might do well in England like Azharuddin did where the bounce and movement. Only way Gabbar can score anything here is when the ball doesn't rise above knee. He doesn't have the ability to leae the ball like M Vijay does. M Vijay is next only to the likes of Sunny, Dravid when it comes to knowing where his off stump is. Just the shot selection has to be fixed. Gabbar has whole lot more issues. I agree about Rahul. His confidence is totally shot. He is fidgety, nervous. He is a better player than this. He should be given a 5 or 6 test run regardless of failures. Even Dhawan would agree that Rahul and Vijay are better than him in tests How could you forget him pussying out in aussie series, where he faked an injury overnight because he got scared of starc and Johnson running amok with the new ball. After that he came and scored some dead runs to save his place. http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/21328875/unrest-dressing-room-shikhar-dhawan-injury-ms-dhoni That first inning knock by vijay was a GOAT for an Indian opener and dhawan's inning on the other end was down right embarrassing. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8525/scorecard/754739/australia-vs-india-2nd-test-border-gavaskar-trophy-2014-15/ vvvslaxman and saik 1 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 Once again Rahul does not back himself either. It is time to think outside the box and open with Rahane and Dhawan. Pack the batting order and put some runs on board. Can win this one but with Bill Belichik Shastri coaching there is no chance. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 With constant in an out of the team not only because of captaincy and management decisions, but also some of his own like getting injured or not being fit all the time, Rahul doesn't help his case most of the time. It's time to focus less on weights and more on exercises also for these guys who try to put hard yards in the gym. Him replacing Dhawan or Vijay full time will be great and that too if he can perform, but Rahul has a long way to go. Dhawan is good at home and yet to score much away from him and for now I will play him in 3rd test if Rahul isn't fit. Vijay has been disappointment but I kind of expected. People were expecting him to reach heights but we forgot that the guy's average has declined massively since his last Australian tour. He has scored at home well just like other Indian players, and even after scoring at home his average has declined massively. Our best hope is Pujara-Kohli-Rahane. Trio at 3-4-5. Rest are ordinary or have flashes of brilliance but still ordinary for now. I know Pujara hasn't had a big score, but give these guys the proper run including Rahane, and I am telling you 3-4-5 of Pujara-Kohli-Rahane will win us series in England. Link to comment
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