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Whether Virat Kohli overtook Sachin as the test batsmen ??


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In tests , whether Virat Kohli surpassed Sachin as a batsmen ?  

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  1. 1. In tests , whether Virat Kohli surpassed Sachin as a batsmen ?

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I guess we have a difference on opinion regarding Kohli on this. But I do agree with you on BCCI’s culpability on this. Bunch of morons scheduling games caring only about profits and not the well being of the team!

Guys like Sachin, Sourav should be making these statements about lack of matches before SL series too.They are as culpable as BCCI after all they are on some committee which advises BCCI.


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10 minutes ago, putrevus said:


Guys like Sachin, Sourav should be making these statements about lack of matches before SL series too.They are as culpable as BCCI after all they are on some committee which advises BCCI.


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Also former players like Sehwag criticizing is a bit rich, especially he was total failure overseas and besides his batting, he was very lackadaisical about preparation, fitness, etc

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1 minute ago, dandaroy said:

Also former players like Sehwag criticizing is a bit rich, especially he was total failure overseas and besides his batting, he was very lackadaisical about preparation, fitness, etc

Sehwag now is a clown to me, he has not shown any skill as an expert pundit either in creating a solution for Indian team's overseas woes but is just jumping on media bandwagon finding faults in  Kohli .

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In terms of batting ability Kohli hasn't reached there yet. Sachin could shut down entire off side and make 241 runs only on the on side. He had more shots for each ball. In terms of mental strength i would give an edge to Kohli who doesn't get flustered under pressure. He just needs to be in rythm. Sachin would often retreat himself into a shell when there is a huge expectation to pull off something.

Zimbabwe test, 1997 barbados collapse, uber defensive against Pakistan at Bangalore (19 of 95 balls with a life),  uber defensive against Paul harris the debutant as match that would have helped India win their first test series in SA. Having said that there are different phases in sachin's career. When he was young he was a different guy. As a 17 year old saved the test match at old trafford,  scored 114 on a lively Perth pitch. As i said Tendulkar has the technique to cope wide range of conditions. Just that there were times he allowed the pressure to weigh him down regardless of the conditions.

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1 hour ago, velu said:

IMHO kohli overtook sachin long back .. but for doubters he ovetook him just in the previous test ..

 kohli will score more than 50 centuries in tests alone if he maintain this form for another 3/4 years

Yeah like 5 years back?

 

Virat can retire now and won't be considered ATG in tests. SRT was already ATG by age of 30. He is yet to overtake even SRT upto 2003.

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46 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Virat can retire now and won't be considered ATG in tests. SRT was already ATG by age of 30. He is yet to overtake even SRT upto 2003.

 

one of the greats and not ATG .. when he was 30 , lara > sachin and not bothered to consider other batsmen 

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4 minutes ago, velu said:

 

one of the greats and not ATG .. when he was 30 , lara > sachin and not bothered to consider other batsmen 

Naah, he was already regarded as ATG at 30. 

 

6th highest run getter by that age.

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave 100 50 0  
AR Border (AUS) 1978-1994 156 265 44 11174 205 50.56 27 63 11 investigate this query
SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 1971-1987 125 214 16 10122 236* 51.12 34 45 12 investigate this query
SR Waugh (AUS) 1985-2003 158 246 42 10064 200 49.33 29 46 21 investigate this query
GA Gooch (ENG) 1975-1995 118 215 6 8900 333 42.58 20 46 13 investigate this query
Javed Miandad (PAK) 1976-1993 124 189 21 8832 280* 52.57 23 43 6 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1989-2002 105 169 16 8811 217 57.58 31 35 10 investigate this query
IVA Richards (WI) 1974-1991 121 182 12 8540 291 50.23 24 45 10

investigate this query

 

 

Highest avg among those batsmen by some big margin

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1989-2002 105 169 16 8811 217 57.58 31 35 10 investigate this query
Javed Miandad (PAK) 1976-1993 124 189 21 8832 280* 52.57 23 43 6 investigate this query
SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 1971-1987 125 214 16 10122 236* 51.12 34 45 12 investigate this query
AR Border (AUS) 1978-1994 156 265 44 11174 205 50.56 27 63 11 investigate this query
IVA Richards (WI) 1974-1991 121 182 12 8540 291 50.23 24 45 10 investigate this query
SR Waugh (AUS) 1985-2003 158 246 42 10064 200 49.33 29 46 21 investigate this query
GA Gooch (ENG) 1975-1995 118 215 6 8900 333 42.58 20 46 13 investigate this query

 

And 2nd most 100s

 

Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100Descending 50 0  
SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 1971-1987 125 214 16 10122 236* 51.12 34 45 12 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1989-2002 105 169 16 8811 217 57.58 31 35 10 investigate this query
DG Bradman (AUS) 1928-1948 52 80 10 6996 334 99.94 29 13 7 investigate this query
SR Waugh (AUS) 1985-2003 158 246 42 10064 200 49.33 29 46 21 investigate this query
AR Border (AUS) 1978-1994 156 265 44 11174 205 50.56 27 63 11 investigate this query
GS Sobers (WI) 1954-1974 93 160 21 8032 365* 57.78 26 30 12 investigate this query

 

 

That was enough to be regarded as ATG back then only. 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Naah, he was already regarded as ATG at 30. 

 

6th highest run getter by that age.

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave 100 50 0  
AR Border (AUS) 1978-1994 156 265 44 11174 205 50.56 27 63 11 investigate this query
SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 1971-1987 125 214 16 10122 236* 51.12 34 45 12 investigate this query
SR Waugh (AUS) 1985-2003 158 246 42 10064 200 49.33 29 46 21 investigate this query
GA Gooch (ENG) 1975-1995 118 215 6 8900 333 42.58 20 46 13 investigate this query
Javed Miandad (PAK) 1976-1993 124 189 21 8832 280* 52.57 23 43 6 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1989-2002 105 169 16 8811 217 57.58 31 35 10 investigate this query
IVA Richards (WI) 1974-1991 121 182 12 8540 291 50.23 24 45 10

investigate this query

 

 

Highest avg among those batsmen by some big margin

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending 100 50 0  
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1989-2002 105 169 16 8811 217 57.58 31 35 10 investigate this query
Javed Miandad (PAK) 1976-1993 124 189 21 8832 280* 52.57 23 43 6 investigate this query
SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 1971-1987 125 214 16 10122 236* 51.12 34 45 12 investigate this query
AR Border (AUS) 1978-1994 156 265 44 11174 205 50.56 27 63 11 investigate this query
IVA Richards (WI) 1974-1991 121 182 12 8540 291 50.23 24 45 10 investigate this query
SR Waugh (AUS) 1985-2003 158 246 42 10064 200 49.33 29 46 21 investigate this query
GA Gooch (ENG) 1975-1995 118 215 6 8900 333 42.58 20 46 13 investigate this query

 

And 2nd most 100s

 

Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100Descending 50 0  
SM Gavaskar (INDIA) 1971-1987 125 214 16 10122 236* 51.12 34 45 12 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1989-2002 105 169 16 8811 217 57.58 31 35 10 investigate this query
DG Bradman (AUS) 1928-1948 52 80 10 6996 334 99.94 29 13 7 investigate this query
SR Waugh (AUS) 1985-2003 158 246 42 10064 200 49.33 29 46 21 investigate this query
AR Border (AUS) 1978-1994 156 265 44 11174 205 50.56 27 63 11 investigate this query
GS Sobers (WI) 1954-1974 93 160 21 8032 365* 57.78 26 30 12 investigate this query

 

 

That was enough to be regarded as ATG back then only. 

 

 

 

 

he is an ATG when comes to consistency ..

but what about ranking points , number of wisden 100 innings ? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Kohli has started averaging 50 for 7 tests (Since Nov 2017). He reached avg of 50 in Dec 2016. 

 

Right now he is behind SRT, Gavaskar and Dravid. He has surpassed Sehwag and Laxman imo.

 

if average is everything ..... 

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5 minutes ago, velu said:

 

if average is everything ..... 

Avg, runs and centuries are lot of things. Any batsman with 2nd most 100s and 55+ avg will be ATG at that point irrespective of everything else.

 

Btw, ranking and wisden - SRT was no 1 ranked batsman during 7 calendar years, from 1994-2002. 7 out of 9 years.

 

Wisden rated him 2nd best test batsman of all time and 2nd best ODI batsman of all time in 2002. He was well settled as ATG.

 

Kohli can retire next year and won't end up as ATG.

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