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Was there any doubt to be honest? Been saying Kohli was the one responsible for Shastri as coach. Kumble was made 'bali Ka bakra' whom you feed first (1 year contract) and then kill him for the sake of your prayers.

But naive Kohli fans could not believe their hero can do this. So blame game was pushed to Mumbai lobby, Sachin etc but of course not Kohli.

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24 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Was there any doubt to be honest? Been saying Kohli was the one responsible for Shastri as coach. Kumble was made 'bali Ka bakra' whom you feed first (1 year contract) and then kill him for the sake of your prayers.

But naive Kohli fans could not believe their hero can do this. So blame game was pushed to Mumbai lobby, Sachin etc but of course not Kohli.

I initially thought maybe Kohli did not get well along with Kumble in the one year he was as coach. But looking back regardless of how well Kumble would have performed it seems Kohli was destined to oust him and get Shastri as coach.

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People are forgetting that Shastri was made the team director before Kumble when Fletcher was the coach. Kohli established a good rapport with Shastri then and wanted him as a coach but he instead got Kumble.

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@Forever Indian spot on. I agree with your assessment. I also wonder about the extent of the role of Bunty Sajdeh in all of this. Bunty and Kohli are clearly working towards a plan where all possible threats to Kohli and Rohit will be eliminated so that there is a a 3 way split in the pie (Kohli will ofc get the largest share). That alone explains his asinine team selections where no one is allowed to feel secure. Different excuses are put forward to justify the absurd selection policy because tbh there is no rational way to explain the dichotomy between 'current form' and 'horse for courses'- the twin pillars which are being used at various points to unsettle certain players.  Kumble wouldn't have allowed any of this, he was a fair guy who believed in a certain thought process and his decisions were consistent. No way could Kohli have wielded so much power with a thorough professional like Kumble around, Shastribot is a tool in the hands of Kohli to get what he wants. Shastribot is the highest paid coach in the world and he doesn't need to even coach, 24x7 sycophancy and he gets richer by 1.2 million USD every year. Bevda never had any interest in helping our team get better, poora din Kohli kaa * chato and raat ko sutta-daaru ki dukaan khojo. Kohli without any checks/balances can improve his brand value, and Bevda ain't complaining....both made for each other.

 

Think of it from Kohli's angle, he wants to be the unchallenged monarch of Indian sports. He needs Bollywood to increase his reach and hence his choices of Bunty and Anushka. He doesn't give a **** about Team India, it's all about personal records, global reach and bank balance. Ideally he would need no coach but then who's the fall guy? There has to be a coach so that he becomes the fall guy to absorb criticism, Kohli's skin is too thin and ego too fragile to handle criticism. So he needs a coach, who will he choose? A man with impeccable integrity and pride/patriotism or a drunken, shameless, well connected gigolo? Choice is simple really, Shastri not just acts like a wafadar slave dog of Kohli but he also knows how to tackle criticism no matter how foolish it all looks. Remember his whining when Nasser Hussain correctly called India's opposition to DRS as disgraceful. Watch how shamelessly that BCCI ka kutta defends his master and plays the 'jealous' card. Over the years Shastri has proved himself to be a loyal kutta to whomever he serves, now he serves Kohli. He can shrug off critics in his own way and through his connections with ex players and media persons, he can influence them to take the heat off Kohli. 

 

When Kohli was 1st appointed captain I didn't share the optimism of fellow ICFers. Kohli the batsman is not Kohli the man, now he has proved himself to be a dangerous politician with enormous powers, a master puppeteer who is using his public image and connections to benefit only himself, he is the Sauron of Indian cricket. When Julius Caesar tried to overthrow the Republic in favor of tyranny he was stabbed to death by many those who foresaw the doom of dictatorship, who will ensure the same in Indian cricket? We didn't halt post 2011 Dhoni, in stead we celebrated him and suffered immensely, same thing will be repeated here. Kohli will do more damage to Indian cricket than good, and his reign will run its course, Indian cricket ka kuch nahi hoga, we were always minnows and will remain so because that is our aukaat. All the U-19 success and talent talk is hogwash, nothing good will ever come out of it. 

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8 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@Forever Indian spot on. I agree with your assessment. I also wonder about the extent of the role of Bunty Sajdeh in all of this. Bunty and Kohli are clearly working towards a plan where all possible threats to Kohli and Rohit will be eliminated so that there is a a 3 way split in the pie (Kohli will ofc get the largest share). That alone explains his asinine team selections where no one is allowed to feel secure. Different excuses are put forward to justify the absurd selection policy because tbh there is no rational way to explain the dichotomy between 'current form' and 'horse for courses'- the twin pillars which are being used at various points to unsettle certain players.  Kumble wouldn't have allowed any of this, he was a fair guy who believed in a certain thought process and his decisions were consistent. No way could Kohli have wielded so much power with a thorough professional like Kumble around, Shastribot is a tool in the hands of Kohli to get what he wants. Shastribot is the highest paid coach in the world and he doesn't need to even coach, 24x7 sycophancy and he gets richer by 1.2 million USD every year. Bevda never had any interest in helping our team get better, poora din Kohli kaa * chato and raat ko sutta-daaru ki dukaan khojo. Kohli without any checks/balances can improve his brand value, and Bevda ain't complaining....both made for each other.

 

Think of it from Kohli's angle, he wants to be the unchallenged monarch of Indian sports. He needs Bollywood to increase his reach and hence his choices of Bunty and Anushka. He doesn't give a **** about Team India, it's all about personal records, global reach and bank balance. Ideally he would need no coach but then who's the fall guy? There has to be a coach so that he becomes the fall guy to absorb criticism, Kohli's skin is too thin and ego too fragile to handle criticism. So he needs a coach, who will he choose? A man with impeccable integrity and pride/patriotism or a drunken, shameless, well connected gigolo? Choice is simple really, Shastri not just acts like a wafadar slave dog of Kohli but he also knows how to tackle criticism no matter how foolish it all looks. Remember his whining when Nasser Hussain correctly called India's opposition to DRS as disgraceful. Watch how shamelessly that BCCI ka kutta defends his master and plays the 'jealous' card. Over the years Shastri has proved himself to be a loyal kutta to whomever he serves, now he serves Kohli. He can shrug off critics in his own way and through his connections with ex players and media persons, he can influence them to take the heat off Kohli. 

 

When Kohli was 1st appointed captain I didn't share the optimism of fellow ICFers. Kohli the batsman is not Kohli the man, now he has proved himself to be a dangerous politician with enormous powers, a master puppeteer who is using his public image and connections to benefit only himself, he is the Sauron of Indian cricket. When Julius Caesar tried to overthrow the Republic in favor of tyranny he was stabbed to death by many those who foresaw the doom of dictatorship, who will ensure the same in Indian cricket? We didn't halt post 2011 Dhoni, in stead we celebrated him and suffered immensely, same thing will be repeated here. Kohli will do more damage to Indian cricket than good, and his reign will run its course, Indian cricket ka kuch nahi hoga, we were always minnows and will remain so because that is our aukaat. All the U-19 success and talent talk is hogwash, nothing good will ever come out of it. 

No, not really. I would rather that Kohli takes all criticism and strives to have a 5 bowler attack in the aim of taking 20 wickets. It would have been oh so easy for Kohli to take 6 batsmen, then relax and look at his bank account and blame the other batsmen, take no risks in team selection, then watch as his legends grows while other teammates get criticised. whereas now, despite his visionary and philosophical selections he is the one getting all the blame. That's just the way he likes it, he would rather not just relax and look at his bank account at the end of the night and avoid criticism. 

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6 minutes ago, Khota said:

Getting rid of Kumble was the dumbest thing BCCI ever did. The greatest cricket player of India and the best spin bowler in the world treated with so little respect is shameful.

 

Solution:

Three formats three captains and two coaches.

Rubbish, the 333 run defeat should have led to Kumble's sacking in the first place. 

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39 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

People are forgetting that Shastri was made the team director before Kumble when Fletcher was the coach. Kohli established a good rapport with Shastri then and wanted him as a coach but he instead got Kumble.

From when did having good rapport with Captain became the Sole Criteria for Coach selection? It was not as if he built rapport with Shastri as a "Coach". Also, from when did Captain become the Head of Cricket Advisory Committee which selects the coach?

 

So next if Bunty Sajdeh builds good rapport with captain (which he already has), can he be made the Coach? Won't do a worse job than Shastri as a "Coach".

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1 minute ago, Forever Indian said:

From when did having good rapport with Captain became the Sole Criteria for Coach selection? Also, from when did Captain become the Head of Cricket Advisory Committee which selects the coach?

 

So next if Bunty Sajdeh builds good rapport with captain (which he already has), can he be made the Coach? Won't do a worse job than Shastri as a "Coach".

Well, I would rather that a cricketer like Kohli has as much power as possible instead of the corrupt BCCI. Kohli takes all criticism and strives to have a 5 bowler attack in the aim of taking 20 wickets. It would have been oh so easy for Kohli to take 6 batsmen, then relax and look at his bank account and blame the other batsmen, take no risks in team selection, then watch as his legends grows while other teammates get criticised. whereas now, despite his visionary and philosophical selections he is the one getting all the blame. That's just the way he likes it, he would rather not just relax and look at his bank account at the end of the night and avoid criticism. 

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14 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Rubbish, the 333 run defeat should have led to Kumble's sacking in the first place. 

Let us blame Kumble for that. Can he get credit for series win?

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2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Let us blame Kumble for that.

Yes, Kumble should be blamed. 333 run defeats are indicative of decadence, but Kumble did nothing to change some of the weaker links in the team. He should be blamed. 

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9 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

From when did having good rapport with Captain became the Sole Criteria for Coach selection? It was not as if he built rapport with Shastri as a "Coach". Also, from when did Captain become the Head of Cricket Advisory Committee which selects the coach?

 

So next if Bunty Sajdeh builds good rapport with captain (which he already has), can he be made the Coach? Won't do a worse job than Shastri as a "Coach".

Greg Chappel was picked after Ganguly's advice. So, it has happened before.

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3 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Coach is very overrated at the international level. 

Yes,because coach cannot perform on the field but where you need strong management is at times to disagree with the captain and have a different  view on things.

 

While someone like Chappell can be a problem with his dictatorial approach,so can a Shastri with his yes man approach.

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8 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Well, I would rather that a cricketer like Kohli has as much power as possible instead of the corrupt BCCI. Kohli takes all criticism and strives to have a 5 bowler attack in the aim of taking 20 wickets. It would have been oh so easy for Kohli to take 6 batsmen, then relax and look at his bank account and blame the other batsmen, take no risks in team selection, then watch as his legends grows while other teammates get criticised. whereas now, despite his visionary and philosophical selections he is the one getting all the blame. That's just the way he likes it, he would rather not just relax and look at his bank account at the end of the night and avoid criticism. 

Wow, what constructive risks he took:

  • Drop your best overseas batsman Rahane from overseas tests, and try to play him in LOIs which he is not good at
  • Open with a proven test hack Dhawan in SA
  • Drop a high potential youngster in KL Rahul from all formats
  • Keep chopping and changing the XI every match so that no one is settled
  • Get back Rohit Sharma into overseas Test XI in place of your best overseas bat and vice captain
  • Drop your best bowler Bhuvi in next match
  • Appoint a Dummy coach who says 'Yes' to whatever crap he spews

This is only a small sample. Sure, highly philosophical and visionary thinking which only creatures from Mars can understand!

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5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Coach is very overrated at the international level. 

Why so many in here keep saying 

The bowling coach is terrible

The fielding coach is terrible 

We have no batting coach? 

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It was always clear kohli wanted shastri as coach/ cheerleader.

He may have wanted kumble out and worked towards it but kumble helped him along with his ' head masterly ' attitude.

 

Had kumble been a more flexible in his dealing with players to get the best out of them ( which is what a good teacher does) ....it would not have been so easy to get him out. 

 

At that point of time, kohli was not that strong. He could not have done it without help from the players at that stage of his captaincy.

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Wow, what constructive risks he took:

  • Drop your best overseas batsman Rahane from overseas tests, and try to play him in LOIs which he is not good at
  • Open with a proven test hack Dhawan in SA
  • Drop a high potential youngster in KL Rahul from all formats
  • Keep chopping and changing the XI every match so that no one is settled
  • Get back Rohit Sharma into overseas Test XI in place of your best overseas bat and vice captain
  • Drop your best bowler Bhuvi in next match
  • Appoint a Dummy coach who says 'Yes' to whatever crap he spews

This is only a small sample. Sure, highly philosophical and visionary thinking which only creatures from Mars can understand!

Rahane is not good enough as a batsman. A good batsman must average above 50 and look like consistently scoring runs. Rahane scored very few over the past year, and should therefore be dropped. Rohit has scored at a much higher average in test cricket. 

 

Bhuvneshwar is not Glenn McGrath. He needs to realise that pace and accuracy, not just accuracy, are important. Dropping him sends this message.

 

KL Rahul needs to realise that he either improves his tempo and technique, or becomes a wicketkeeper batsman. 

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1 minute ago, lamellavig said:

Rahane is not good enough as a batsman. A good batsman must average above 50 and look like consistently scoring runs. Rahane scored very few over the past year, and should therefore be dropped. Rohit has scored at a much higher average in test cricket. 

 

Bhuvneshwar is not Glenn McGrath. He needs to realise that pace and accuracy, not just accuracy, are important. Dropping him sends this message.

 

KL Rahul needs to realise that he either improves his tempo and technique, or becomes a wicketkeeper batsman. 

Thanks Mr. Kohli's Agent for the visionary and philosophical thinking again!

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8 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

Rahane is not good enough as a batsman.

:giggle::giggle:

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Rohit has scored at a much higher average in test cricket. 

:laugh1::laugh1: 

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He needs to realise that pace and accuracy, not just accuracy, are important. Dropping him sends this message.

:yousuck: when did u stop watching cricket 2-3 yrs ago

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KL Rahul needs to realise that he either improves his tempo and technique, or becomes a wicketkeeper batsman. 

The whole post has to be one of the worst and senseless post i hve seen. N i have seen many from @Khota

But this beats all..............

 

Kya bakwaass likha hai 

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7 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Why so many in here keep saying 

The bowling coach is terrible

The fielding coach is terrible 

We have no batting coach? 

We need specialist coaches and a good man manager.

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13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We need specialist coaches and a good man manager.

That's a different view to international coaches are overrated 

What you are  saying now is yes  coaches but not those ones?

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54 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We need specialist coaches and a good man manager.

What man manager? Do you think anyone can manage Kohli? He is spoilt brat.

 

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While speaking to The Indian Express in 2015, exactly one year after he was sacked, Jennings had made it clear that it was Kohli who pushed him out of the job.

Kohli planned the switch of coaches so well that even Jennings couldn’t understand anything. The South African had said that he neither got a phone call from Kohli nor had a chat about the change in plan.

Take captaincy off him in all the formats and you will see immediate improvement. After that, drop him couple of times on grounds of behaviour and that will make him a gentleman

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2 hours ago, rkt.india said:

People are forgetting that Shastri was made the team director before Kumble when Fletcher was the coach. Kohli established a good rapport with Shastri then and wanted him as a coach but he instead got Kumble.

 

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Greg Chappel was picked after Ganguly's advice. So, it has happened before.

 

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Coach is very overrated at the international level. 

 

The discussion is not whether Kumble was selected fair or not. Kohli obviously never wanted Kumble. So, unceremonious exit of kumble. Why have all the trash talks? Leaks from dressing room like headmaster kumble. He made Kumble look like the culprit while it was him who even before Kumble's appointment has disliked it and most probably had a lot of prejudice against him. He most probably never tried and yearned for his pet Shastri.Is there anything lately that shows Kohli is a mature individual.

Also where are idiots who were sure Mumbai lobby behind Shastri. No fools it was Kohli lobby. 

 

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3 hours ago, Pollack said:

Mumbai lobby

Nice try.

 

mumbai lobby is a neat name for pathetic people who want only their  players in team..sorry dont try to save their arse here.

 

mumbai lobby is stinking pile of crap. thats an established fact. 

 

from that base we can say they just got involved by going with the powerful parties in this case ( Kohli/Sashtri) as sniveling scum they are they like to tag along with the winning side. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pollack said:

 

 

 

The discussion is not whether Kumble was selected fair or not. Kohli obviously never wanted Kumble. So, unceremonious exit of kumble. Why have all the trash talks? Leaks from dressing room like headmaster kumble. He made Kumble look like the culprit while it was him who even before Kumble's appointment has disliked it and most probably had a lot of prejudice against him. He most probably never tried and yearned for his pet Shastri.Is there anything lately that shows Kohli is a mature individual.

Also where are idiots who were sure Mumbai lobby behind Shastri. No fools it was Kohli lobby. 

 

as @Tattieboy said. Its not about like or dislike. The ponzi scheme would never have kicked off if Kumble or likes of him became a coach

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3 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Nice try.

 

mumbai lobby is a neat name for pathetic people who want only ghati players in team..sorry dont try to save their arse here.

 

mumbai lobby is stinking pile of crap. thats an established fact. 

 

from that base we can say they just got involved by going with the powerful parties in this case ( Kohli/Sashtri) as sniveling scum they are they like to tag along with the winning side. 

 

 

You are a lost case. I was talking of other sensible fools on ICF. Bye.

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Kohli is cancer to Indian cricket. I guess getting whitewashed in SA/ENG/Aus is only hope of getting him removed. Otherwise, we can say good bye to winning any test series abroad in next decade or so. We will even lose against South Africa next time they visit us. Australia might also get a win in India. 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Pollack said:

You are a lost case. I was talking of other sensible fools on ICF. Bye.

:) mumbai lobby is a stinking piece of crap. pathetic man so fn regional.lol 

 

dude but i like chatting with you. 

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3 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Kohli is cancer to Indian cricket. I guess getting whitewashed in SA/ENG/Aus is only hope of getting him removed. Otherwise, we can say good bye to winning any test series abroad in next decade or so. We will even lose against South Africa next time they visit us. Australia might also get a win in India. 

 

 

over reaction.

 

no need to loose more. They will win the 3rd test most probably. And they will whitewash SA and Aus when they tour again.

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12 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Kohli is cancer to Indian cricket. I guess getting whitewashed in SA/ENG/Aus is only hope of getting him removed. Otherwise, we can say good bye to winning any test series abroad in next decade or so. We will even lose against South Africa next time they visit us. Australia might also get a win in India. 

 

 

They already did

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4 minutes ago, beetle said:

Is ghati a derogatory word for people from maharstra?

I was told it is .

Yes

 

but It is not as bad as calling someone the “n” word or the “p” word.....@vilander seems to think so that’s why he uses it too much :laugh:

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Sad to see him commentating in Under19 instead of coaching India. I genuinely believe he has something about him which can keep the whole team together and bring the best out of everyone. I would love to see him coach India one day.

 

The kind of $$$ BCCI throws around...anyone will be tempted to be a yes man and shut his mouth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 1/19/2018 at 8:53 PM, maniac said:

Yes

 

but It is not as bad as calling someone the “n” word or the “p” word.....@vilander seems to think so that’s why he uses it too much :laugh:

 

 

 Ghati means someone from mountains(ghats). Kinda like Pahadi. Funny thing is non Maharastrians(mostly from north India) saw Maharashtians use' ghati ' amongst themselves to refer to 'villagers' or someone who lacks manners  or who isn't urbanised enough and like they say ignorance is bliss. Assumed it to be a curse word. @Vilander is one of those though a Madrasi(hehe). :laugh:

N.B: Just fyi Maharashtrian means anyone from maharastra including those whose mother tongue is not Marathi. Another misinformation where Maharastrians are equated to just Marathis by other state people.

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2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

 Ghati means someone from mountains(ghats). Kinda like Pahadi. Funny thing is non Maharastrians(mostly from north India) saw Maharashtians use' ghati ' amongst themselves to refer to 'villagers' or someone who lacks manners  or who isn't urbanised enough and like they say ignorance is bliss. Assumed it to be a curse word. @Vilander is one of those though a Madrasi(hehe). :laugh:

N.B: Just fyi Maharashtrian means anyone from maharastra including those whose mother tongue is not Marathi. Another miss information where Maharastrians are equated to just Marathis by other state people.

And Thackeray family :giggle: 

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32 minutes ago, beetle said:

Is ghati a derogatory word for people from maharstra?

I was told it is .

no derog ment beetle didi.

 

25 minutes ago, maniac said:

Yes

 

but It is not as bad as calling someone the “n” word or the “p” word.....@vilander seems to think so that’s why he uses it too much :laugh:

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, beetle said:

Then it should not be used.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Pollack said:

 Ghati means someone from mountains(ghats). Kinda like Pahadi. Funny thing is non Maharastrians(mostly from north India) saw Maharashtians use' ghati ' amongst themselves to refer to 'villagers' or someone who lacks manners  or who isn't urbanised enough and like they say ignorance is bliss. Assumed it to be a curse word. @Vilander is one of those though a Madrasi(hehe). :laugh:

N.B: Just fyi Maharashtrian means anyone from maharastra including those whose mother tongue is not Marathi. Another miss information where Maharastrians are equated to just Marathis by other state people.

 

 

oh now it hurts...hehe nice.

 

its commonly used, it just means hill country folks ( thanks for the explanation) , if it has derogatory meaning i am not aware of the same. its just a very convenient term to use on mumbai lobby , stop crying.

 

how can you call me madrasi...blasphemy...racism..

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