Pollack Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Shami is India's best Test bowler, could fit into SA pace attack very well: Fanie de Villiers https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/india-in-south-africa/shami-is-indias-best-test-bowler-could-fit-into-sa-pace-attack-very-well-fanie-de-villiers/articleshow/62581635.cms Former South African fast bowler Fanie De Villiers has praised Mohammed Shami as India's best Test bowler and added that the Proteas could easily fit him in their highly-competitive pace attack."Shami is a good bowler. He could play for South Africa and fit into their pace attack very well," de Villiers told PTI after Shami took 4-49 in the second innings at Centurion. He has a beautiful out-swinger, runs in hard, bowls at 140s, and most importantly, he consistently bowls that line to first slip. He bowls the line Glenn McGrath did, Shaun Pollock did, Ian Botham did, Dale Steyn does, and so, he is India's best Test bowler."Overall, Shami is the second-highest wicket-taker in the Test series so far after Vernon Philander, with 9 wickets in two Tests. "When you are bowling in South Africa, it is important to have that away-swinging line. Shami has that. Hardik Pandya has that too, but he doesn't have too much pace. Until he gets that pace he will not be a big wicket-taker "He will fit into India's overseas plans very well though, because he bowls that away-swinging line. Bhuvneshwar Kumar also has that, but he didn't play in Centurion," he said. India's team selection has been a point of sharp debate with skipper Virat Kohlieven losing his cool in the post- Centurion press conference when asked about his tendency to change the playing eleven in every match. For the second Test, Kohli had made three changes, with Kumar making way for Ishant Sharma while KL Rahul came in for Shikhar Dhawan. Parthiv Patel was a forced inclusion as Wriddhiman Saha was ruled out of the remainder of the tour with a hamstring injury. Ajinkya Rahane was sidelined again. "I am genuinely surprised that Kumar didn't play. He should be playing all overseas Test matches for India. He is someone who can take the ball away from right-handers and then bring it back into left-handers as well. "That is the future of world cricket on quicker wickets and this has been the past. Jasprit Bumrah bowled well, but he primarily bowls into the right-hander, or bowls into the stumps. Even on flat wickets like Centurion, Kumar can average 4 wickets per match. It was a big mistake not picking him," said de Villiers. "Ishant Sharma bowls into the stumps. Bumrah bowls into the stumps too. In South Africa, you cannot have two pacers bowling into the batsmen on a wicket like this. Bumrah bowled well in patches yes, but is he going to take 8-9 wickets in a Test? How many times has Ishant picked 8-9 wickets in a test. Pretty spot on about Bumrah and Ishant. Like I have been saying Bumrah doesn't bring anything into tests. He just bring the the bowl into the batsman 97% of the time with the same predictable angle. After a few matches batsman would get used to it. And Ishant is well Ishant Sharma . Even this former SAfrican cannot stop taking a dig at him like when was the last time he picked 8-9 wickets. Edited January 20, 2018 by Pollack The Dark Horse 1 Link to comment
velu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 IPL auctions are coming speedheat 1 Link to comment
Pollack Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, velu said: IPL auctions are coming Fannie de villiers not AB de villiers. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 He should work on his fitness, athleticism, stamina a lot. India doesn't have the complete fast bowler we are looking for in the mould of Alan Donald, Steyn. Closest we have is Umesh. But he is a spray gun. If only Umesh has skills, thinking of Shami and accuracy of Bhuvi he would have been our go to bowler. Alas all our bowlers lack one thing or the other. Hence they blow hot and cold. Link to comment
velu Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Pollack said: Fannie de villiers not AB de villiers. you dont see retired hayden talking bad about us like eralier Link to comment
MechEng Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Pollack said: Pretty spot on about Bumrah and Ishant. Like I have been saying Bumrah doesn't bring anything into tests. He just bring the the bowl into the batsman 97% of the time with the same predictable angle. After a few matches batsman would get used to it. And Ishant is well Ishant Sharma . Even this former SAfrican cannot stop taking a dig at him like when was the last time he picked 8-9 wickets. But then the great West Indian fast bowlers and Pakistani fast bowlers at their peak usually brought the ball back into the right handers. I have never seen Ambrose, Walsh, Waqar and Wasim bowl outswing to right handers as a stock ball. LORD_analyst and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Shammi is a good bowler but far from the best. India has 5 equally good bowlers and they are Bhuvi. Shammi. Jasprit, Umesh, Ishant. This is a very impressive line up. New guy and JaFanatic 1 1 Link to comment
The Dark Horse Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Pollack said: Pretty spot on about Bumrah and Ishant. Like I have been saying Bumrah doesn't bring anything into tests. He just bring the the bowl into the batsman 97% of the time with the same predictable angle. After a few matches batsman would get used to it. And Ishant is well Ishant Sharma . Even this former SAfrican cannot stop taking a dig at him like when was the last time he picked 8-9 wickets. Bumrah is not Ishant. Look at the number of deliveries both of them are making the batsmen play, and you'll see the difference. Can't believe you're too critical of someone who has done well and is just 2 tests old. express bowling and philcric 1 1 Link to comment
goose Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 how patronising! beetle and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
vishalvirsingh Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 he is Correct but SHammi's rhythm is ON /OFF..had he been in full form we would be chasing 200 and not 286 in the second test..he was great in the third Spell and got three wickets, had he got those wickets and rhythm in the first spell when bumrah rocked africa with two wickets, we would have got them out under 170. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Shami is fantastic . It’s just his stiff looking run up and poor beard and hair plus his hang dog impression just makes him look unfit and out of rhythm . He always looks not right but then ignore all that . Just look at were ball goes and speeds . This series is example , good speeds and ball in good areas , taking lots of wickets ( wrecked de kock last inning) yet all saying out of sorts based on his false appearance goose, philcric, Rightarmfast and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Sean Bradley Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 There was never a doubt over his skills and ability, but sadly, he is the most unfit bowler the country has ever produced, so no, Mr Fanie De Villiers, He is not the best bowler in India atm. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said: Shami is fantastic . It’s just his stiff looking run up and poor beard and hair plus his hang dog impression just makes him look unfit and out of rhythm . He always looks not right but then ignore all that . Just look at were ball goes and speeds . This series is example , good speeds and ball in good areas , taking lots of wickets ( wrecked de kock last inning) yet all saying out of sorts based on his false appearance A few people have made threads about replacing the present fast bowlers! Link to comment
Singh bling Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Shami le lo , lungi de do sarcastic and beetle 2 Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, MechEng said: But then the great West Indian fast bowlers and Pakistani fast bowlers at their peak usually brought the ball back into the right handers. I have never seen Ambrose, Walsh, Waqar and Wasim bowl outswing to right handers as a stock ball. Correction : Ambrose & Walsh bowled the 4th-5th stump line, occasionally bringing the ball in or out. Ambrose and McGrath were the 'kumble' of pace bowlers - dealing in micro-movements and micro-variations instead of big banana swing. Walsh did not have much of an outswinger ( it pretty much straightened off the pitch angled in, thats it) but did have a big banana-swinging inswinger. As Kumble, McGrath and Ambrose have proven, you don't need massive movement, if you have all the movements *and* can pitch the ball on a dime-sized patch anywhere on the pitch, at your will. When you combine it with steep bounce of Ambrose/McGrath or the 'spitting cobra' of Kumble, its a lethal mix. Waqar was a full-length bowler and while he did have a very potent inswinger, he also swung the ball out noticably. Wasim is a leftie, he cannot be compared to any of these guys because lefties create fundamentally different angles and have to bowl fundamentally different lines. Either way, Wasim had mastered the art of left-arm bowling, where the batsman couldn't tell easily whether the ball is going to hold its line (and thus go towards first slip), straighten into the batsman or be an inswiger itself. The difference between Bumrah and these guys, is that Bumrah's stock ball is not the ball that holds its line on 4-5th stump line, but angles into the batsman. Edited January 20, 2018 by Muloghonto Sgattick10, MechEng and Gollum 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 But Shami barely did much to suggest that. Link to comment
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 But Shami barely did much to suggest that.Which Indian bowler has more wickets than Shami? Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: 1 hour ago, rkt.india said: But Shami barely did much to suggest that. Which Indian bowler has more wickets than Shami? How many did he take with the new ball? the wickets that matter the most in SA. How many you took after 50-60 overs of bowling wouldn't make an iota of difference to the end result. Link to comment
Muloghonto Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, rkt.india said: How many did he take with the new ball? the wickets that matter the most in SA. How many you took after 50-60 overs of bowling wouldn't make an iota of difference to the end result. So what. This is probably exactly what FDV means when he says Shami could fit into the RSA attack just fine: they are not lacking in ability to take wickets in the first 20-25 overs. They are not lacking in taking wickets after 50-60 overs either, but their strong suit is taking wikets with the new ball. They'd probably love to have Shami to take wikets with the old ball. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: So what. This is probably exactly what FDV means when he says Shami could fit into the RSA attack just fine: they are not lacking in ability to take wickets in the first 20-25 overs. They are not lacking in taking wickets after 50-60 overs either, but their strong suit is taking wikets with the new ball. They'd probably love to have Shami to take wikets with the old ball. I am talking about Indian perspective. Who cares what South Africans need. Shami didn't not make impact needed with the new ball for us. Link to comment
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