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36 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is he fraud, what has he done wrong, I don't understand this animosity against him. He is not hiding behind anything and is just speculating what ifs which he is allowed to do as a coach. 

He is the one (Along with Kohli) who turned down practice matches when BCCi offered them.And now complaining that he didn't have practice matches .

 

Compared that with Dravid who went early to Nzl to get good preparations for U-19 when BCCI offered similar option.

 

He is nothing but a fraud and PR manager for this team.

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Just now, BeautifulGame said:

He is the one (Along with Kohli) who turned down practice matches when BCCi offered them.And now complaining that he didn't have practice matches .

 

Compared that with Dravid who went early to Nzl to get good preparations for U-19 when BCCI offered similar option.

 

He is nothing but a fraud and PR manager for this team.

They turned down one two day practice match not matches.How can they have gone early to SA when Sl series was finishing so late. 

 

Dravid went NZL early because it is under 19 team and if Dravid was coaching this team he would have had same issues.

 

Shastri has to be one of sharpest minds in cricket, unlike others this guy had limited talent and made most out of it.I would take him as coach over Kumble or Dravid any day.

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How can people blame Shastri and Kohli for batting debacle of this magnitude.People were clamoring for Rahul  and he did not change a thing and he was guilty of throwing his wicket away in both innings.Rahane would have done well but I am so sure he would have a made difference between winning and losing.Playing with just five batsman is such a risky proposition. India cannot afford to play with five batsmen, they have to play six batsmen plus Pandya to shore up this very weak batting line up.

 

If they six batsmen and Pandya then Pandya will play as third seamer.Don't know how they are going to get a balanced side. Vijay and Pujara have done nothing much.Rohit should never play for India again in test matches.

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32 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They turned down one two day practice match not matches.How can they have gone early to SA when Sl series was finishing so late. 

 

Dravid went NZL early because it is under 19 team and if Dravid was coaching this team he would have had same issues.

 

Shastri has to be one of sharpest minds in cricket, unlike others this guy had limited talent and made most out of it.I would take him as coach over Kumble or Dravid any day.

No they turned down the çhance to skip Srilanka limited overs leg and come early to South Africa for practice.

 

Same was how Aussies did earlier in their India tour

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/team-management-declined-bcci-offer-to-send-core-players-to-south-africa-early-5018196/

 

The only thing Shastri is being sharpest is being loudmouth and PR guy in front of cameras.

 

Comparing Shastri and Dravid is like comparing a B Grade Movie with Satyajit Ray movie.

 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

BCCI is to greatly be blamed for this fiasco, they cannot expect team to turn up in SA without any practice matches and expect them to win.

 

Bowling has kept them in both matches but batting has been shambolic and Shastri is right, Rahane would not have made any difference in the results.

 

Other than Kohli (one innings) and Pandya batting has been awful, you cannot expect to win matches with that kind  of batting performances.

 

On bowling they have let South Africa off the hook  twice in first innings of first test they have never let them score 330 plus and in second test second innings again they let South Africa off the hook after early two wickets. You need to keep the intensity on for full innings.

 

Shami and Ashwin two leading bowlers have let this team down also..

 

They have not been blown away in both tests like they had been in many overseas match in past where there was only one winner after first day.

 

 

 

 

 

1. BCCI offered to send the test specialists to SA around December 20, they refused because they wanted to attend Virushka's reception and get selfies clicked with Bollywood stars.

 

2. Rahane would have done better than Rohit Sharma simply because he has better tools to succeed in these conditions, moreover Maharaj wouldn't have bothered him on these pitches.  

 

3. How can you expect batting performances when you make every batsman feel insecure about his spot and shove 'intent' down the throats of players who have a different way of approaching things?

 

4. Bowlers let them off the hook or fielders? 11 dropped catches don't ring a bell? A bowling attack of Marshall/Mcgrath/Hadlee/Akram/Warne will lose its head after 11 dropped catches !!!!

 

5. Shami is the leading wicket taker from our side and is by no means a letdown.

 

6. Ashwin had 6 catches dropped of his bowling in the 2nd test. He comprehensively outbowled Maharaj who himself destroyed Lyon in SA's tour to Aus in 2016 end. Ashwin delivered an ATG spell in the 1st innings of Centurion and had the fielders co operated it would have been a matchwinning 7fer. If fielders drop catches, bowler gets the blame. So applying your logic every time a batsman gets a howler should the blame fall upon the batsman?

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Just now, BeautifulGame said:

No they turned down the çhance to skip Srilanka limited overs leg and come early to South Africa for practice.

 

Same was how Aussies did earlier in their India tour

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/team-management-declined-bcci-offer-to-send-core-players-to-south-africa-early-5018196/

 

The only thing Shastri is being sharpest is being loudmouth and PR guy in front of cameras.

 

Comparing Shastri and Dravid is like comparing a B Grade Movie with Satyajit Ray movie.

 

Sending core players early would not have solved a thing.they have to send whole team early not just handful which BCCI did not do so , it is ridiculous to put that onus on Shastri.

When Dravid does something with Indian team I will think about elevating him, Shastri and Kohli have been bold enough to play with 5 batsmen even after taking losses so far let us see how they do it in future.

 

It is very easy to put the blame on captain or coach but when batting has no spine there is no captain or coach in world who would have let them to wins .

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27 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

1. BCCI offered to send the test specialists to SA around December 20, they refused because they wanted to attend Virushka's reception and get selfies clicked with Bollywood stars.

 

2. Rahane would have done better than Rohit Sharma simply because he has better tools to succeed in these conditions, moreover Maharaj wouldn't have bothered him on these pitches.  

 

3. How can you expect batting performances when you make every batsman feel insecure about his spot and shove 'intent' down the throats of players who have a different way of approaching things?

 

4. Bowlers let them off the hook or fielders? 11 dropped catches don't ring a bell? A bowling attack of Marshall/Mcgrath/Hadlee/Akram/Warne will lose its head after 11 dropped catches !!!!

 

5. Shami is the leading wicket taker from our side and is by no means a letdown.

 

6. Ashwin had 6 catches dropped of his bowling in the 2nd test. He comprehensively outbowled Maharaj who himself destroyed Lyon in SA's tour to Aus in 2016 end. Ashwin delivered an ATG spell in the 1st innings of Centurion and had the fielders co operated it would have been a matchwinning 7fer. If fielders drop catches, bowler gets the blame. So applying your logic every time a batsman gets a howler should the blame fall upon the batsman?

I told you before also, if catches are not held what can coach do.

 

Rahul also was supposed to have better tools than Dhawan to succeed what did he do, he failed more miserably than Dhawan.So there is no guarantee that Rahane would have succeeded.

 

If they are so insecure about their spots then they are not worthy of playing for the country, any player should be capable of handling the pressure and insecurities, they are not playing for their daddy's team  they are playing for India.This notion that they need to feel secure is  ridiculous.Vijay was secure, Pujara was secure so were others what did they do.

 

Fringe players will always be on chopping block if the team loses that is how every sport is played.

 

If you think Ashwin bowled well then we were watching a different game, he was totally ineffective in second innings.

 

No one except one played which is Dhawan got axed after one test all , Bhuvi will continue to be a player who will play when conditions are right.

 

Shami has been the most disappointing bowler from both sides in the series.

 

To expect miracles when no one has stood out in performance is also unrealistic.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How is he fraud, what has he done wrong, I don't understand this animosity against him. He is not hiding behind anything and is just speculating what ifs which he is allowed to do as a coach. 

" Every child knows that  lack of practice can  influence results.What blocked you from involving in those exercises??????? "

 

Then you asking me as to what has he done wrong??????????

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5 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

" Every child knows that  lack of practice can  influence results.What blocked you from involving in those exercises??????? "

 

Then you asking me as to what has he done wrong??????????

How can he put team physically in SA , are you guys for real ? BCCI has to cut shot its financial agendas.

 

Did Shastri advocate for the meaning less SL series, was he responsible for SL series ending just few days before this tour.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How can he put team physically in SA , are you guys for real ? BCCI has to cut shot its financial agendas.

 

Did Shastri advocate for the meaning less SL series, was he responsible for SL series ending just few days before this tour.

I am speaking from a 'spectator's point of view'. I think Shastri 'the coach' is related to BCCI, isn't it?And he would have known these fixtures way back then.Being a responsible person and being some one who played at the highest level he should  have made aware of the BCCI officials  regarding the ill effects of such densely packed useless SL series and there by resultant lack of time for preparation and practise matches  before sucj an important SAF tour. What was he smoking then???????? He didn't do that means he either succumbed to the 'money minded attitude' of BCCI or he has been such an ignorant person.So he too is highly responsible for this chaos.

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@putrevus How effective do you think Maharaj was? Isn't he like an expert in non Asian tracks? Was he not thoroughly outbowled by Ashwin? If so many catches are dropped what can the bowler do, I am asking this question again, if a batsman gets 10 consecutive howlers in a 5 test series and ends up averaging 35 odd, was he good or bad?

 

Shami is our leading wicket taker. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12081;type=series How is he more disappointing than Bumrah/Steyn/Pandya ? He even averages better than Rabada !!!

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1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

I am speaking from a 'spectator's point of view'. I think Shastri 'the coach' is related to BCCI, isn't it?And he would have known these fixtures way back then.Being a responsible person and being some one who played at the highest level he should  have made aware of the BCCI officials  regarding the ill effects of such densely packed useless SL series and there by resultant lack of time for preparation and practise matches  before sucj an important SAF tour. What was he smoking then???????? He didn't do that means he either succumbed to the 'money minded attitude' of BCCI or he has been such an ignorant person.So he too is highly responsible for this chaos.

How do you know he did not put that across and was rejected. BCCI is in midst of getting its homeseason on more permanent basis like England and Australia.You cannot blame a coach for the itineraries what next we start blaming coaches for players not being fit.

 

If you can critique his coaching deficiencies. It is fine but to put itineraries and scheduling on coach is bit too much.As coach what can he do if his batting has 1 ton and one half ton for two tests.He is a coach not a miracle worker.

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Just now, Gollum said:

@putrevus How effective do you think Maharaj was? Isn't he like an expert in non Asian tracks? Was he not thoroughly outbowled by Ashwin? If so many catches are dropped what can the bowler do, I am asking this question again, if a batsman gets 10 consecutive howlers in a 5 test series and ends up averaging 35 odd, was he good or bad?

 

Shami is our leading wicket taker. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12081;type=series How is he more disappointing than Bumrah/Steyn/Pandya ? He even averages better than Rabada !!!

Ashwin is one of leading spinners world and maharaj is just starting. What was Ashwin doing in second innings eating grass.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Ashwin is one of leading spinners world and maharaj is just starting. What was Ashwin doing in second innings eating grass.

He got Du Plessis out yet again when he was batting on 4 but Rahul dropped it. How is it his fault, what do you expect him to do? In spite of all the drops he needed to pick a 10fer on a pitch which wasn't exactly a big turner?

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15 minutes ago, Gollum said:

He got Du Plessis out yet again when he was batting on 4 but Rahul dropped it. How is it his fault, what do you expect him to do? In spite of all the drops he needed to pick a 10fer on a pitch which wasn't exactly a big turner?

what else did he all second innings when he needed to pick wickets to get the target lower not that it would have made any difference.

 

When your batting is as inept as indian batting has been on this tour they simply don't deserve to win.

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