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Shastri - another ten days of practice here would have made a difference. Kohli contradicts him

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After India conceded the Test series in South Africa, head coach Ravi Shastri has come out and said that the lack of practice cost the Indian team in the ongoing series.

"In hindsight, I would say another ten days of practice here would have made a difference. But that’s no excuse. The pitch we play on, it’s the same for both sides and I would rather focus on the 20 wickets we have taken. That has given us a chance in both test matches to win games. Yes our top order, if we can fire, it will be a good test match." Shastri said while addressing the media.

Shastri also said that they will not crib about the pitches dished out in the series as both the teams played on the same track, hence there is no point talking about the pitches.

He further added, the in future itineraries should be prepared keeping in mind few practice games which will ideal for any touring party.

Answering questions about team selections, Shastri defended the policy of constantly changing and chopping when he said that one has to go according to current form in overseas conditions and also the conditions present during the match.

Amidst all the criticisms, the Indian bowlers have managed to pick up 20 wickets in both the matches and this evoked praise from the coach as well.

 

Link - https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/south-africa-vs-india-2018-another-ten-days-practice-here-would-have-made-a-difference-says-ravi-shastri?ref=mpjan

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Ravi Shastri defends Ajinkya Rahane's omission from first two Tests

 




"If Ajinkya (Rahane) had played the first Test and not done well, you would have asked me the same question about why Rohit hasn't played. Rohit played, he didn't do well, so you are asking me why Ajinkya didn't play," a defiant Shastri told reporters when queried about the selection policy."

 

"The same would have happened with the fast bowlers. So you have choices. The team management has discussed what is the best option. They stick by it and they go by it," Shastri said.

"Overseas, you go on current form, you go on conditions. You see which player can adapt to certain conditions quicker than the other," he added.

:hysterical:

 

https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/india-in-south-africa/ravi-shastri-defends-ajinkya-rahanes-omission-from-first-two-tests/articleshow/62606660.cms

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

This guy played international cricket from 1980 to 1992. Then he started commentating in the mid 90s and talked about all these things for 20 years. Played first class, county cricket. Manager, Coach other credentials. Only now he realizes "we didn't have enough practice"?  

Only now Kohli realises it and sends the message through his mouthpiece.

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34 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Ravi Shastri defends Ajinkya Rahane's omission from first two Tests

 




"If Ajinkya (Rahane) had played the first Test and not done well, you would have asked me the same question about why Rohit hasn't played. Rohit played, he didn't do well, so you are asking me why Ajinkya didn't play," a defiant Shastri told reporters when queried about the selection policy."

 

"The same would have happened with the fast bowlers. So you have choices. The team management has discussed what is the best option. They stick by it and they go by it," Shastri said.

"Overseas, you go on current form, you go on conditions. You see which player can adapt to certain conditions quicker than the other," he added.

:hysterical:

 

https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cricket/india-in-south-africa/ravi-shastri-defends-ajinkya-rahanes-omission-from-first-two-tests/articleshow/62606660.cms

 

Fail to koi bhi ho sakta, u play the one whose chances are more to succeed 

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Dil chota mat karien Shastri sir:bow:..bouncy pichtes pe chote chote hadse hote  rehte hai..you just starting your career...another 5-6 years and you will be a perfect coach..2023 world cup should be the real goal..:yess:.  keep going we need you.  You and dhoni sir are our last hope.

 

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BCCI is to greatly be blamed for this fiasco, they cannot expect team to turn up in SA without any practice matches and expect them to win.

 

Bowling has kept them in both matches but batting has been shambolic and Shastri is right, Rahane would not have made any difference in the results.

 

Other than Kohli (one innings) and Pandya batting has been awful, you cannot expect to win matches with that kind  of batting performances.

 

On bowling they have let South Africa off the hook  twice in first innings of first test they have never let them score 330 plus and in second test second innings again they let South Africa off the hook after early two wickets. You need to keep the intensity on for full innings.

 

Shami and Ashwin two leading bowlers have let this team down also..

 

They have not been blown away in both tests like they had been in many overseas match in past where there was only one winner after first day.

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

  • We played like No.1 team.....:phehe:
  • We chop n change XI analyzing which player will adapt quickly overseas.........ahem ahem rohit , dhawan:bumsmack: 

Why is this guy with sunscreen to a press conference? Trying to show he is working hard with the boys coaching them in the sun?! :embaressed_smile:

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11 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

this fraud need to be kicked out .Now coming with excuses.Every child knows that  lack of practice can  influence results.What blocked you from involving in those exercises???????

How is he fraud, what has he done wrong, I don't understand this animosity against him. He is not hiding behind anything and is just speculating what ifs which he is allowed to do as a coach. 

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36 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How is he fraud, what has he done wrong, I don't understand this animosity against him. He is not hiding behind anything and is just speculating what ifs which he is allowed to do as a coach. 

He is the one (Along with Kohli) who turned down practice matches when BCCi offered them.And now complaining that he didn't have practice matches .

 

Compared that with Dravid who went early to Nzl to get good preparations for U-19 when BCCI offered similar option.

 

He is nothing but a fraud and PR manager for this team.

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Just now, BeautifulGame said:

He is the one (Along with Kohli) who turned down practice matches when BCCi offered them.And now complaining that he didn't have practice matches .

 

Compared that with Dravid who went early to Nzl to get good preparations for U-19 when BCCI offered similar option.

 

He is nothing but a fraud and PR manager for this team.

They turned down one two day practice match not matches.How can they have gone early to SA when Sl series was finishing so late. 

 

Dravid went NZL early because it is under 19 team and if Dravid was coaching this team he would have had same issues.

 

Shastri has to be one of sharpest minds in cricket, unlike others this guy had limited talent and made most out of it.I would take him as coach over Kumble or Dravid any day.

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How can people blame Shastri and Kohli for batting debacle of this magnitude.People were clamoring for Rahul  and he did not change a thing and he was guilty of throwing his wicket away in both innings.Rahane would have done well but I am so sure he would have a made difference between winning and losing.Playing with just five batsman is such a risky proposition. India cannot afford to play with five batsmen, they have to play six batsmen plus Pandya to shore up this very weak batting line up.

 

If they six batsmen and Pandya then Pandya will play as third seamer.Don't know how they are going to get a balanced side. Vijay and Pujara have done nothing much.Rohit should never play for India again in test matches.

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32 minutes ago, putrevus said:

They turned down one two day practice match not matches.How can they have gone early to SA when Sl series was finishing so late. 

 

Dravid went NZL early because it is under 19 team and if Dravid was coaching this team he would have had same issues.

 

Shastri has to be one of sharpest minds in cricket, unlike others this guy had limited talent and made most out of it.I would take him as coach over Kumble or Dravid any day.

No they turned down the çhance to skip Srilanka limited overs leg and come early to South Africa for practice.

 

Same was how Aussies did earlier in their India tour

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/team-management-declined-bcci-offer-to-send-core-players-to-south-africa-early-5018196/

 

The only thing Shastri is being sharpest is being loudmouth and PR guy in front of cameras.

 

Comparing Shastri and Dravid is like comparing a B Grade Movie with Satyajit Ray movie.

 

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

BCCI is to greatly be blamed for this fiasco, they cannot expect team to turn up in SA without any practice matches and expect them to win.

 

Bowling has kept them in both matches but batting has been shambolic and Shastri is right, Rahane would not have made any difference in the results.

 

Other than Kohli (one innings) and Pandya batting has been awful, you cannot expect to win matches with that kind  of batting performances.

 

On bowling they have let South Africa off the hook  twice in first innings of first test they have never let them score 330 plus and in second test second innings again they let South Africa off the hook after early two wickets. You need to keep the intensity on for full innings.

 

Shami and Ashwin two leading bowlers have let this team down also..

 

They have not been blown away in both tests like they had been in many overseas match in past where there was only one winner after first day.

 

 

 

 

 

1. BCCI offered to send the test specialists to SA around December 20, they refused because they wanted to attend Virushka's reception and get selfies clicked with Bollywood stars.

 

2. Rahane would have done better than Rohit Sharma simply because he has better tools to succeed in these conditions, moreover Maharaj wouldn't have bothered him on these pitches.  

 

3. How can you expect batting performances when you make every batsman feel insecure about his spot and shove 'intent' down the throats of players who have a different way of approaching things?

 

4. Bowlers let them off the hook or fielders? 11 dropped catches don't ring a bell? A bowling attack of Marshall/Mcgrath/Hadlee/Akram/Warne will lose its head after 11 dropped catches !!!!

 

5. Shami is the leading wicket taker from our side and is by no means a letdown.

 

6. Ashwin had 6 catches dropped of his bowling in the 2nd test. He comprehensively outbowled Maharaj who himself destroyed Lyon in SA's tour to Aus in 2016 end. Ashwin delivered an ATG spell in the 1st innings of Centurion and had the fielders co operated it would have been a matchwinning 7fer. If fielders drop catches, bowler gets the blame. So applying your logic every time a batsman gets a howler should the blame fall upon the batsman?

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Just now, BeautifulGame said:

No they turned down the çhance to skip Srilanka limited overs leg and come early to South Africa for practice.

 

Same was how Aussies did earlier in their India tour

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/team-management-declined-bcci-offer-to-send-core-players-to-south-africa-early-5018196/

 

The only thing Shastri is being sharpest is being loudmouth and PR guy in front of cameras.

 

Comparing Shastri and Dravid is like comparing a B Grade Movie with Satyajit Ray movie.

 

Sending core players early would not have solved a thing.they have to send whole team early not just handful which BCCI did not do so , it is ridiculous to put that onus on Shastri.

When Dravid does something with Indian team I will think about elevating him, Shastri and Kohli have been bold enough to play with 5 batsmen even after taking losses so far let us see how they do it in future.

 

It is very easy to put the blame on captain or coach but when batting has no spine there is no captain or coach in world who would have let them to wins .

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27 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

1. BCCI offered to send the test specialists to SA around December 20, they refused because they wanted to attend Virushka's reception and get selfies clicked with Bollywood stars.

 

2. Rahane would have done better than Rohit Sharma simply because he has better tools to succeed in these conditions, moreover Maharaj wouldn't have bothered him on these pitches.  

 

3. How can you expect batting performances when you make every batsman feel insecure about his spot and shove 'intent' down the throats of players who have a different way of approaching things?

 

4. Bowlers let them off the hook or fielders? 11 dropped catches don't ring a bell? A bowling attack of Marshall/Mcgrath/Hadlee/Akram/Warne will lose its head after 11 dropped catches !!!!

 

5. Shami is the leading wicket taker from our side and is by no means a letdown.

 

6. Ashwin had 6 catches dropped of his bowling in the 2nd test. He comprehensively outbowled Maharaj who himself destroyed Lyon in SA's tour to Aus in 2016 end. Ashwin delivered an ATG spell in the 1st innings of Centurion and had the fielders co operated it would have been a matchwinning 7fer. If fielders drop catches, bowler gets the blame. So applying your logic every time a batsman gets a howler should the blame fall upon the batsman?

I told you before also, if catches are not held what can coach do.

 

Rahul also was supposed to have better tools than Dhawan to succeed what did he do, he failed more miserably than Dhawan.So there is no guarantee that Rahane would have succeeded.

 

If they are so insecure about their spots then they are not worthy of playing for the country, any player should be capable of handling the pressure and insecurities, they are not playing for their daddy's team  they are playing for India.This notion that they need to feel secure is  ridiculous.Vijay was secure, Pujara was secure so were others what did they do.

 

Fringe players will always be on chopping block if the team loses that is how every sport is played.

 

If you think Ashwin bowled well then we were watching a different game, he was totally ineffective in second innings.

 

No one except one played which is Dhawan got axed after one test all , Bhuvi will continue to be a player who will play when conditions are right.

 

Shami has been the most disappointing bowler from both sides in the series.

 

To expect miracles when no one has stood out in performance is also unrealistic.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How is he fraud, what has he done wrong, I don't understand this animosity against him. He is not hiding behind anything and is just speculating what ifs which he is allowed to do as a coach. 

" Every child knows that  lack of practice can  influence results.What blocked you from involving in those exercises??????? "

 

Then you asking me as to what has he done wrong??????????

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5 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said:

" Every child knows that  lack of practice can  influence results.What blocked you from involving in those exercises??????? "

 

Then you asking me as to what has he done wrong??????????

How can he put team physically in SA , are you guys for real ? BCCI has to cut shot its financial agendas.

 

Did Shastri advocate for the meaning less SL series, was he responsible for SL series ending just few days before this tour.

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3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

How can he put team physically in SA , are you guys for real ? BCCI has to cut shot its financial agendas.

 

Did Shastri advocate for the meaning less SL series, was he responsible for SL series ending just few days before this tour.

I am speaking from a 'spectator's point of view'. I think Shastri 'the coach' is related to BCCI, isn't it?And he would have known these fixtures way back then.Being a responsible person and being some one who played at the highest level he should  have made aware of the BCCI officials  regarding the ill effects of such densely packed useless SL series and there by resultant lack of time for preparation and practise matches  before sucj an important SAF tour. What was he smoking then???????? He didn't do that means he either succumbed to the 'money minded attitude' of BCCI or he has been such an ignorant person.So he too is highly responsible for this chaos.

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@putrevus How effective do you think Maharaj was? Isn't he like an expert in non Asian tracks? Was he not thoroughly outbowled by Ashwin? If so many catches are dropped what can the bowler do, I am asking this question again, if a batsman gets 10 consecutive howlers in a 5 test series and ends up averaging 35 odd, was he good or bad?

 

Shami is our leading wicket taker. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12081;type=series How is he more disappointing than Bumrah/Steyn/Pandya ? He even averages better than Rabada !!!

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1 minute ago, rtmohanlal said:

I am speaking from a 'spectator's point of view'. I think Shastri 'the coach' is related to BCCI, isn't it?And he would have known these fixtures way back then.Being a responsible person and being some one who played at the highest level he should  have made aware of the BCCI officials  regarding the ill effects of such densely packed useless SL series and there by resultant lack of time for preparation and practise matches  before sucj an important SAF tour. What was he smoking then???????? He didn't do that means he either succumbed to the 'money minded attitude' of BCCI or he has been such an ignorant person.So he too is highly responsible for this chaos.

How do you know he did not put that across and was rejected. BCCI is in midst of getting its homeseason on more permanent basis like England and Australia.You cannot blame a coach for the itineraries what next we start blaming coaches for players not being fit.

 

If you can critique his coaching deficiencies. It is fine but to put itineraries and scheduling on coach is bit too much.As coach what can he do if his batting has 1 ton and one half ton for two tests.He is a coach not a miracle worker.

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Just now, Gollum said:

@putrevus How effective do you think Maharaj was? Isn't he like an expert in non Asian tracks? Was he not thoroughly outbowled by Ashwin? If so many catches are dropped what can the bowler do, I am asking this question again, if a batsman gets 10 consecutive howlers in a 5 test series and ends up averaging 35 odd, was he good or bad?

 

Shami is our leading wicket taker. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=12081;type=series How is he more disappointing than Bumrah/Steyn/Pandya ? He even averages better than Rabada !!!

Ashwin is one of leading spinners world and maharaj is just starting. What was Ashwin doing in second innings eating grass.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

Ashwin is one of leading spinners world and maharaj is just starting. What was Ashwin doing in second innings eating grass.

He got Du Plessis out yet again when he was batting on 4 but Rahul dropped it. How is it his fault, what do you expect him to do? In spite of all the drops he needed to pick a 10fer on a pitch which wasn't exactly a big turner?

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15 minutes ago, Gollum said:

He got Du Plessis out yet again when he was batting on 4 but Rahul dropped it. How is it his fault, what do you expect him to do? In spite of all the drops he needed to pick a 10fer on a pitch which wasn't exactly a big turner?

what else did he all second innings when he needed to pick wickets to get the target lower not that it would have made any difference.

 

When your batting is as inept as indian batting has been on this tour they simply don't deserve to win.

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How can he put team physically in SA , are you guys for real ? BCCI has to cut shot its financial agendas.

 

Did Shastri advocate for the meaning less SL series, was he responsible for SL series ending just few days before this tour.

  BAS KAER YAAR ..   JUST RECOLLECT HOW HE GOT COACH'S JOB. WHAT WAS HIS CONDITION TO BEFORE APPLYING ??

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1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How do you know he did not put that across and was rejected. BCCI is in midst of getting its homeseason on more permanent basis like England and Australia.You cannot blame a coach for the itineraries what next we start blaming coaches for players not being fit.

 

If you can critique his coaching deficiencies. It is fine but to put itineraries and scheduling on coach is bit too much.As coach what can he do if his batting has 1 ton and one half ton for two tests.He is a coach not a miracle worker.

If he requested for better schedule and was rejected ,that shows one thing only...he was money minded just like BCCI.Sastri was one of the players with limited talent but made the most of that thru sheer practice.That being the case, he should have known even more the ill effects of several practice matches before a SAF tour.Yet despite being helpless and being well aware of the consequences  of lack of practice, he continued being coach.That means he too is at guilt.

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This SL series excuse is rubbish 

Cmmn that a minnow like team cudnt we have given chances to many youngsters in test and LOI. We can send India-A team to SA but cant get many new player against such a poor team. 

 

But the problem is we have to give chances to our player to improve their avg - malum hai overseas tour aane wala hai 

Youngsters ko zyaada chance dena nhin kyunki malai aapas men baantni hai. 

 

We have so much of talent that we cud have 2 teams playing for nation at same time 

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15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

This SL series excuse is rubbish 

Cmmn that a minnow like team cudnt we have given chances to many youngsters in test and LOI. We can send India-A team to SA but cant get many new player against such a poor team. 

 

But the problem is we have to give chances to our player to improve their avg - malum hai overseas tour aane wala hai 

Youngsters ko zyaada chance dena nhin kyunki malai aapas men baantni hai. 

 

We have so much of talent that we cud have 2 teams playing for nation at same time 

What is your opinion about young keeper-bat talents?

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13 minutes ago, maniac said:

What is your opinion about young keeper-bat talents?

Ofcourse they shud be given chances, didnt i criticize the way pant was kept on bench in WI and then not selected for SL odis

I just wrote this recently only

On 1/22/2018 at 2:10 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

To hell with u BCCI if players doing well in syed musthaq ali isnt rewarded and also who did well in ranji and are good in t20 format

 

Pant, samson, rana, hooda, Krunal, shankar, sundar, thampi, kulwant all shud get in a look 

 

 

 

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This SL series excuse is rubbish 
Cmmn that a minnow like team cudnt we have given chances to many youngsters in test and LOI. We can send India-A team to SA but cant get many new player against such a poor team. 
 
But the problem is we have to give chances to our player to improve their avg - malum hai overseas tour aane wala hai 
Youngsters ko zyaada chance dena nhin kyunki malai aapas men baantni hai. 
 
We have so much of talent that we cud have 2 teams playing for nation at same time 

Where is that so much talent, who are those who dying to show case their talents which cannot be missed, the team selected is the best we got , the only gripe anyone can have is Rahane who btw played against SL and couldn’t buy a run. But for some people he would turn it on as soon he sees Proteas bowling .

Give it a break this team as of now is not good enough to win, it is as simple as that.


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