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Just now, Gollum said:

Nice stat twisting, why include after Smith's debut and not for others? First couple of years is tough for any batsman, pura career dekho. 

Alright take this untwisted stat of last 5 years, even in his prime there are 12 better batsman than smith. Btw it is hilarious that you accuse me of twisting stats for including his first couple of years yet you can't stop ranting about kohli's choke in 2011 world when he was very new to international cricket, bias much?

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2017 104 99 19 4976 154* 62.20 5128 97.03 19 23 5 457 75 investigate this query
AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2017 92 87 17 4340 176 62.00 3858 112.49 12 24 2 356 114 investigate this query
KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 67 64 8 3319 169 59.26 3611 91.91 11 20 5 340 31 investigate this query
RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2017 86 85 10 4359 264 58.12 4737 92.02 14 21 3 402 139 investigate this query
LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2018 85 83 18 3555 119* 54.69 4337 81.96 11 20 3 301 31 investigate this query
DA Warner (AUS) 2013-2018 68 67 4 3219 179 51.09 3113 103.40 12 11 1 341 57 investigate this query
JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 97 92 12 4063 133* 50.78 4668 87.03 10 25 4 317 33 investigate this query
MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2017 93 72 20 2639 139* 50.75 2961 89.12 2 19 2 209 64 investigate this query
MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2018 86 85 11 3707 237* 50.09 4024 92.12 11 16 6 390 105 investigate this query
KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2018 87 85 5 3999 123 49.98 4691 85.24 7 30 2 385 33 investigate this query
TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 75 73 7 3284 161* 49.75 3780 86.87 8 18 2 386 10 investigate this query
F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2017 87 84 10 3618 185 48.89 4112 87.98 8 24 3 313 48 investigate this query
SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2018 75 72 8 3051 164 47.67 3535 86.30 8 19 3 262 28 investigate this query
AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2018 106 93 23 3323 139* 47.47 3967 83.76 2 22 4 272 60 investigate this query
Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2013-2015 53 51 7 2070 96* 47.04 2795 74.06 0 22 3 132 44 investigate this query
S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2017 91 90 5 3969 137 46.69 4234 93.74 12 22 2 483 51 investigate this query
HM Amla (SA) 2013-2017 95 94 5 4152 159 46.65 4745 87.50 16 15 2 426 34 investigate this query
Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2017 85 85 5 3732 178 46.65 3922 95.15 13 15 2 424 53
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Just now, Gollum said:

I am not sure Kohli is more valuable for our ODI team than Dhawan who is such a beast in ICC tourneys. But as per the table Amla, Root, Misbah>Dhawan :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

Can't defend smith now can ya, running away and diverting the topic :hysterical::hysterical: expected when your bias was exposed, btw Gambhir >>> Lara because of the world cup final knock :aha:

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23 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Smith averages 28 overseas in ODI, ok. But then SRT too averaged lesser than Lara overseas in the 90s. In fact Lara was the number 1 ranked ODI batsman for 5 years in the 90s compared to Sachin's 1, yet I rate Sachin as a slightly better ODI batsman in that decade because he brought his A game in the WCs. 

 

Are you equating Lara-Sachin or Smith-Kohli with Madan Lal-Marshall? 

Dint tendulakar fail in 2 wc finals ? If you really want to talk about bringing your a game on the big stage

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1 minute ago, kira said:

Alright take this untwisted stat of last 5 years, even in his prime there are 12 better batsman than smith. Btw it is hilarious that you accuse me of twisting stats for including his first couple of years yet you can't stop ranting about kohli's choke in 2011 world when he was very new to international cricket, bias much?

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS AveDescending BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Kohli (INDIA) 2013-2017 104 99 19 4976 154* 62.20 5128 97.03 19 23 5 457 75 investigate this query
AB de Villiers (SA) 2013-2017 92 87 17 4340 176 62.00 3858 112.49 12 24 2 356 114 investigate this query
KC Sangakkara (SL) 2013-2015 67 64 8 3319 169 59.26 3611 91.91 11 20 5 340 31 investigate this query
RG Sharma (INDIA) 2013-2017 86 85 10 4359 264 58.12 4737 92.02 14 21 3 402 139 investigate this query
LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2013-2018 85 83 18 3555 119* 54.69 4337 81.96 11 20 3 301 31 investigate this query
DA Warner (AUS) 2013-2018 68 67 4 3219 179 51.09 3113 103.40 12 11 1 341 57 investigate this query
JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 97 92 12 4063 133* 50.78 4668 87.03 10 25 4 317 33 investigate this query
MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2013-2017 93 72 20 2639 139* 50.75 2961 89.12 2 19 2 209 64 investigate this query
MJ Guptill (NZ) 2013-2018 86 85 11 3707 237* 50.09 4024 92.12 11 16 6 390 105 investigate this query
KS Williamson (NZ) 2013-2018 87 85 5 3999 123 49.98 4691 85.24 7 30 2 385 33 investigate this query
TM Dilshan (SL) 2013-2016 75 73 7 3284 161* 49.75 3780 86.87 8 18 2 386 10 investigate this query
F du Plessis (SA) 2013-2017 87 84 10 3618 185 48.89 4112 87.98 8 24 3 313 48 investigate this query
SPD Smith (AUS) 2014-2018 75 72 8 3051 164 47.67 3535 86.30 8 19 3 262 28 investigate this query
AD Mathews (SL) 2013-2018 106 93 23 3323 139* 47.47 3967 83.76 2 22 4 272 60 investigate this query
Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2013-2015 53 51 7 2070 96* 47.04 2795 74.06 0 22 3 132 44 investigate this query
S Dhawan (INDIA) 2013-2017 91 90 5 3969 137 46.69 4234 93.74 12 22 2 483 51 investigate this query
HM Amla (SA) 2013-2017 95 94 5 4152 159 46.65 4745 87.50 16 15 2 426 34 investigate this query
Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2017 85 85 5 3732 178 46.65 3922 95.15 13 15 2 424 53

Stats for full career are better, not 3/5/7 years cut off. And I don't follow ODI stats blindly because if someone puts a gun pointed at my head and asks me to choose an ODI batsman to bat for my life I will choose Dhawan and not guys who average more than him.  Again since you obviously got triggered let me clear my opinion: Kohli is a better batsman than Smith in ODIs and miles better in T20s. If he does much better than Smith in CWC 2019 I will admit that he is a league above Smith in ODIs as well. I believe Smith is a much better test batsman than everyone else atm but that may change when he loses his reflexes and eyesight,  I won't rule out Kohli finishing his career as a better test batsman than Smith when both retire.

 

Proclaiming that Kohli is number 1 today is a mistake by OP and that is just my opinion, rest are free to feel differently. I believe Kohli will have a better career after a few years but I will wait till then to make a thread proclaiming Kohli as this era's king. 

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2 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Dint tendulakar fail in 2 wc finals ? If you really want to talk about bringing your a game on the big stage

But we reached those finals largely because of Sachin in the group games and QF/SF.

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Just because  then a no body Smith 'played his part  only' in 3 consecutive  home world cup  knocks including in finals  in these highly  batting friendly conditions doesn't conceal his  apparent weaknesses in the vast majority of other matches in limited overs cricket.

Both Kohli and Smith are more or less on the same level.

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Obviously this is about being great across formats,not only about Test matches.It takes great consistency and skill to master all formats and conditions and only Virat looks like the one who has done it.

Smith is a great test batsman but stop overrating him and stop using the English tour excuse for Virat ,he will set the record straight this year.

Hail the greatness of Kohli ,who looks at ease and is a match winner across formats ,even IPL lol

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Smith has done well in India, Eng, NZ, SA...even held his own in UAE and Lanka. Guy won a WC for his country, in 5 years time Kohli may surpass Smith because the latter depends way too much on hand eye co ordination...a trait that declines with time. But now is not the time to proclaim Kohli as the king. Smith averages 64 in test cricket, even had he never played a single ODI/T20 game still he would have been my no 1. 

Smith made merry against Eng at home and he was being hailed as Bradman, Virat did the same against Eng last year

Virat also has great record everywhere apart from Eng ,which will inevitably become better

We cannot overlook his consistency and domination ,look at his class man ,don't go by stats he is in different league 

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3 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Smith made merry against Eng at home and he was being hailed as Bradman, Virat did the same against Eng last year

Virat also has great record everywhere apart from Eng ,which will inevitably become better

We cannot overlook his consistency and domination ,look at his class man ,don't go by stats he is in different league 

Virat dominates but I want him to improve consistency. Sometimes he goes missing in a whole series like against Aus last year. Smith's consistent domination is the reason he has the 2nd highest peak after Bradman. 

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59 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Obviously this is about being great across formats,not only about Test matches.It takes great consistency and skill to master all formats and conditions and only Virat looks like the one who has done it.

Smith is a great test batsman but stop overrating him and stop using the English tour excuse for Virat ,he will set the record straight this year.

Hail the greatness of Kohli ,who looks at ease and is a match winner across formats ,even IPL lol

Let Virat set the record straight first.That record is so pathetic

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4 hours ago, express bowling said:

I think this rivalry between Kohli and Smith are benefiting both.

 

Both are fierce competitors who are becoming better because the other one is setting a higher standard with every passing day.

 

This is needed and makes world cricket better.

 

As of today

 

Kohli   >   Smith   in  All-formats /  ODIs /  T20Is

Smith  >  Kohli  in tests

Although Kane is a gentleman like the earstwhile Sachin/Kallis/Lara mould. The other three fight ugly like bas$!@?€$ a bit like Ponting. It will be interesting to see who wins this one

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Just now, Laaloo said:

Smith is a bit ahead of Kohlis in tests but Kohli is comfortably ahead in other two formats. Have you seen Smith's returns in this odi series? Phateechar as Kira would put it mildly.

Smith was phateechar in odis and will be in t20s as well, Williamson was average in both odi and t20s , Root cant score a 100 to save his life,there is only one king of the jungle, thats king kohli, master of all jack of none :bow:

 

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5 hours ago, Gollum said:

But we reached those finals largely because of Sachin in the group games and QF/SF.

Who sets these criteras ? Seems a little too convenient imo .

I would give a lot more weightage to virats 35 in the 2011 final  than a qf/sf, played a knock which made a difference to our WC win . Also it's not like virat has failed in a dozen wc ko matches .

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