sandeep Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22273135/rahane-strong-candidate-no-4-virat-kohli Quote "I had said earlier that Ajinkya will be looked at as a third opener, but that situation can change because he has batted at No. 4 in a World Cup before," Kohli said a day before India start the ODI series in South Africa. "These conditions are such that you get to play fast bowling throughout the innings so he becomes a strong candidate for No. 4. To me, it seems like Virat is making up for his *-up with dropping Rahane in tests, by giving him more opportunity in ODIs. Another justification would be that Rahane has problems with playing forcing shots on 'slow' tracks, but in SA, he may be able to use the pace to hit boundaries. I can see the logic, but I don't agree with it. At this point, the Indian batting needs to bulk up and improve its power-hitting abilities, and going back to Rahane in the middle order is a step in the wrong direction. Quote " I feel the core of players is more or less pretty strong at the moment. " ... "The lower middle order is more or less sorted. The combination is working well for us with Hardik and Kedar and MS rotating and batting together. No. 4 is something we have experimented with in the last couple of series. That is the only spot I can see that needs to be solidified otherwise the team looks pretty balanced." So basically, Virat is saying that #1 to 3 are locked down, and he's happy with Pandya Jadhav and Dhoni in shuffled order for 5,6 and 7. This is an incredibly conservative philosophy, especially coming from the captain who has unflinchingly played 34 different XIs in tests. Indian team has a glaring problem with slow starts in ODIs. And due to Dhoni's decline, a major over-dependency on Virat to maintain scoring momentum in the middle overs (10-40). Doubling down on the current lineup smacks of closing your eyes and hoping that the problem will just go away on its own. Why does Virat the test captain turn into a gambler, and morph into a 60 year old when it comes to LOI cricket? Are there motives other than the pursuit of excellence, driving the decision making? SK_IH, ThePhenomenal1, velu and 2 others 1 2 1 1 Link to comment
sarcastic Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So, from middle order to opener ( under MSD ) and now from opener to middle order ( under Virat ). Good swinging there by Rahane.... He is a very good floater for team India. Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Power hitting won't help here , we never had batsmen who can do that in sa pitches consistently . If rahane gets to play all the matches , I would bet on him to be our best batsmen in this series . Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, jusarrived said: Power hitting won't help here , we never had batsmen who can do that in sa pitches consistently . If rahane gets to play all the matches , I would bet on him to be our best batsmen in this series . Sure. But how does that help us in 2019 WC. Where you know the tracks are going to be flat-400 apart from the odd exception? For a captain who's shown remarkable gumption in making brave and "forward thinking" selections in test cricket, Virat is being hard-core orthodox conservative in LOIs. Link to comment
G_B_ Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 So does not pick Rahane for test matches overseas picks Rahane for ODIs at number 4. SandeepMotta, GoldenSun, AuxiliA and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 He discarded Rahul after three games at #4. Rahane has already had so many chances at 4. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, jusarrived said: Power hitting won't help here , we never had batsmen who can do that in sa pitches consistently . If rahane gets to play all the matches , I would bet on him to be our best batsmen in this series . you never know. we have been seeing very high scoring games in SA recently. Link to comment
SecondSlip Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 99% of pitches in odi cricket are excellent to bat on where 300 is par. You will very rarely get a pitch like the one we got in the first odi against SL in dharamshala last month. That’s why players like Azhar Ali and Ajinkya Rahane are liabilities in modern day odi cricket. wanted_desi and saik 1 1 Link to comment
adi B Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 It all depends on the pitches saf prepare ,normally they are pattas when teams like England,Australia come but they prepare seaming tracks whenever India travels .If the tracks are similar to those in the test matches then rahane will come handy (even slow knocks) but on flat belters he'll become a road block Dada's Army 1 Link to comment
sandeep Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, SecondSlip said: 99% of pitches in odi cricket are excellent to bat on where 300 is par. You will very rarely get a pitch like the one we got in the first odi against SL in dharamshala last month. That’s why players like Azhar Ali and Ajinkya Rahane are liabilities in modern day odi cricket. Stop with the greenbro comparisons to our players. That's disrespectful to a Rahane and a Karthik. Karthik may be an underachiever, but is a 100x better than Khatmal. And Rahane has scored tough runs all over the world. Stop insulting them. Cricketics, SecondSlip, The Dark Horse and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 @WC2011INDIA your boy is back sandeep 1 Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, sandeep said: Sure. But how does that help us in 2019 WC. Where you know the tracks are going to be flat-400 apart from the odd exception? For a captain who's shown remarkable gumption in making brave and "forward thinking" selections in test cricket, Virat is being hard-core orthodox conservative in LOIs. How many flat 400 wickets we saw in CT ? None Same will be the case in world cup.Pitches will be overseen by IcC and with the drawn out nature of world cup ,wickets will be 280-300 par particularly in the later stages. Rahane shouldn't really be in the odi team, but all these hyperbole about 400 wkts is nonsense as seen in CT Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, sandeep said: Sure. But how does that help us in 2019 WC. Where you know the tracks are going to be flat-400 apart from the odd exception? For a captain who's shown remarkable gumption in making brave and "forward thinking" selections in test cricket, Virat is being hard-core orthodox conservative in LOIs. I don't agree with his selection , it's just that he's in the squad and just for series perspective am ok if hes played ..It's another debate if rahane should be in the squad . Link to comment
mancalledsting Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I've said all along he doesnt have a free reign in selection....other forces are at play Laaloo and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment
jusarrived Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, rkt.india said: you never know. we have been seeing very high scoring games in SA recently. Yeah I agree , but I don't recollect india ever playing on such pitches and day night games will be a big factor , I think we will struggle chasing totals even if our bowlers can contain them for sub par totals . On your typical sa flat pitch also , rahane should do fine . No spin and ball will come on nicely just have to time well which he does , unlike india where you need bit of power game . Link to comment
BeautifulGame Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, jusarrived said: Yeah I agree , but I don't recollect india ever playing on such pitches and day night games will be a big factor , I think we will struggle chasing totals even if our bowlers can contain them for sub par totals . On your typical sa flat pitch also , rahane should do fine . No spin and ball will come on nicely just have to time well which he does , unlike india where you need bit of power game . The short wickets and bounce will help as well.He is actually a very good hitter of the ball when it comes on and has consistent bounce and shorter boundaries helps. Problem is don't think he will have anything similar in world cup in England.It will be a very short term solution. Link to comment
Shunya Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 lol...selection shenanigans continues from Virat... Link to comment
SandeepMotta Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Kedar Jhadav won't do much in these conditions and add to that his fielding is atrocious. Would not mind Rahane over him. SandeepMotta 1 Link to comment
Sgattick10 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Jadhav and Dhoni our best lower order hitting ... what the hell is wrong with Virat Rahane @ 4 in SA is still better then DK anywhere in the line up. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
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