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Contribution to Indian cricket : Is there anyone even close to Dravid?

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Just now, maniac said:

You are getting the context wrong...I am not attacking Rahul’s intentions or character here...I am only trying to point out this myth  that him taking up this role as some kind of a great sacrifice and an immense contribution to the history of Indian cricket above so many other actual contributions.

I agree by taking this route does not place any higher than the others but it doesn't lessen him either. 

Personally as an outsider I appreciate them all for what they have contributed and still contribute in  whatever form 

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Just now, Tattieboy said:

I agree by taking this route does not place any higher than the others but it doesn't lessen him either. 

Personally as an outsider I appreciate them all for what they have contributed and still contribute in  whatever form 

It doesn’t obviously...and I have said he is doing a great job of grooming talent and coaching them,no doubt.I call it giving worth for your money or even more and doing a fantastic job.

 

Contribution is usually a selfless service. 

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Dravid is second to none.. i respect that guy too much.

 

When i heard he intentionally didnt select players that have already played last U19 cup so that he can give leadership roles to new guys, my respect for him rose.. Ultimately that's what it matters..

 

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12 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

I agree by taking this route does not place any higher than the others but it doesn't lessen him either. 

Personally as an outsider I appreciate them all for what they have contributed and still contribute in  whatever form 

YES BUT WHAT ABOUT...

 

hmmm

 

Sachin for instance he comparable in stature to Dravid, both very fine test batsmen who did well for India scored lots of runs. Sachin wont spend time away from family and become a consultant or coach for a National team at any level, he might accept gigs with MI as it might not be much of a drag in terms of hrs for him. But dravid has to be appretiated in this regard, he could have comentated, did the occassional few weeks be on TV and had fun while making bucks, but he chose to slog it out with u19 team. 

 

Deserves praise.

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20 minutes ago, Vilander said:

YES BUT WHAT ABOUT...

 

hmmm

 

Sachin for instance he comparable in stature to Dravid, both very fine test batsmen who did well for India scored lots of runs. Sachin wont spend time away from family and become a consultant or coach for a National team at any level, he might accept gigs with MI as it might not be much of a drag in terms of hrs for him. But dravid has to be appretiated in this regard, he could have comentated, did the occassional few weeks be on TV and had fun while making bucks, but he chose to slog it out with u19 team. 

 

Deserves praise.

Coaching is in the bones,  it's not for every ex player 

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We lost to Nepal and Afghanistan in Asia Cup, we have lost in the finals of previous U-19 WC(I think Dravid was the coach then as well) We did extremely well this U-19 WC...infact India has reached the U-19 final 6 times.

 

Now as far as compensation goes it is probably right there among the top cricketing coaches in the world.

 

As far as accountability goes the U19 WC is probably what is the most scrutinized in this role...Do people even remember Asia Cup U19? Or any “outstanding A tour victories” in recent times?

 

I don’t want to keep adding this caveat of how much I respect Dravid or prove anything...All I am asking is how does this account for “outstanding contribution” can someone answer that?

 

Serious question @coffee_rules @beetle @jusarrived @sourab10forever

 

How is Dravids contribution more than Tushar Arothe? who took Indian women’s cricket to great heights for probably not even 5% of the salary?

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You don’t need to keep your ego aside to coach the u-19 team or a bunch of rookies for the A team.

 

Also for all those saying that this is some supreme sacrifice that requires him to be away from family all the time,

 

Trivia- Where is the National Cricket Academy located  in India ?

 

ps: This doesn’t make Rahul a bad or selfish  person. 

 

Why not he has earned the full right to get the best low pressure job with high level income while enjoying retirement and staying away from all the crap that comes with coaching the senior team or even an IPL team.

 

He has absolutely earned it and couldn’t happen to a nicer guy ..wouldn’t we all love such a job with the perfect monetary benefit + work life balance?

 

However, I have issues with people terming this as some kind of a supreme sacrifice.

 

That is an insult in the face of all those coaches who wake up at 5:30 AM to go to the ground to train youngsters and  mould  the future Sachin’s and Dravids and then go and check in to their day job at the railways etc to put food on their families table.

 

These guys do it only because they are passionate about the game....some of them I know even do it for free or take fees in arrears to coach the right talent.Now thatbis passion and selflessness.

 

This is insult to the coaches  who have coached the women’s team over the years and today brought us to a level where we are right up there with the rest of the world so much so that now even BCCI has been forced to take  steps to improve the structure  and facilities for women’s cricket. kudos to them.

 

The U-19 infrastructure and even domestic facilities  in India have been solid and probably the best in the world for over 2 decades now.

 

So not sure why we are getting so worked up about Dravid coaching the u-19 team and A teams.

 

Before some folk who don’t have the basic comprehension bring Sachin just for the heck of it without understanding the post, Me and a lot of Sachin hardcore fans or Bhakts as we call it have absolutely shredded him for his Rajya Sabha fiasco be it on this forum or social media.

 

This is the equivalent of people calling Angelina Jolie’s breast removal as brave where she got a diagnosis that 99% of the population couldn’t afford...bold move sure...great act of bravery not.

 

Dravid has done a great job and deserves credit for that but let us not go over the top.

 

Rant over.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, maniac said:

You don’t need to keep your ego aside to coach the u-19 team or a bunch of rookies for the A team.

 

Also for all those saying that this is some supreme sacrifice that requires him to be away from family all the time,

 

Trivia- Where is the National Cricket Academy located  in India ?

 

ps: This doesn’t make Rahul a bad or selfish  person. 

 

Why not he has earned the full right to get the best low pressure job with high level income while enjoying retirement and staying away from all the crap that comes with coaching the senior team or even an IPL team.

 

He has absolutely earned it and couldn’t happen to a nicer guy ..wouldn’t we all love such a job with the perfect monetary benefit + work life balance?

 

However, I have issues with people terming this as some kind of a supreme sacrifice.

 

That is an insult in the face of all those coaches who wake up at 5:30 AM to go to the ground to train youngsters and  mould  the future Sachin’s and Dravids and then go and check in to their day job at the railways etc to put food on their families table.

 

These guys do it only because they are passionate about the game....some of them I know even do it for free or take fees in arrears to coach the right talent.Now thatbis passion and selflessness.

 

This is insult to the coaches  who have coached the women’s team over the years and today brought us to a level where we are right up there with the rest of the world so much so that now even BCCI has been forced to take  steps to improve the structure  and facilities for women’s cricket. kudos to them.

 

The U-19 infrastructure and even domestic facilities  in India have been solid and probably the best in the world for over 2 decades now.

 

So not sure why we are getting so worked up about Dravid coaching the u-19 team and A teams.

 

Before some folk who don’t have the basic comprehension bring Sachin just for the heck of it without understanding the post, Me and a lot of Sachin hardcore fans or Bhakts as we call it have absolutely shredded him for his Rajya Sabha fiasco be it on this forum or social media.

 

This is the equivalent of people calling Angelina Jolie’s breast removal as brave where she got a diagnosis that 99% of the population couldn’t afford...bold move sure...great act of bravery not.

 

Dravid has done a great job and deserves credit for that but let us not go over the top.

 

Rant over.

 

 

In India we expect great sportsmen to be cocky, arrogant and behave like gods. If they behave like normal human beings, they are elevated to great selfless saints.

 

Like I remember a pic where Dravid was standing in a queue for something and the whole social media went crazy on what a great human being he is. In that case all Australian cricketers are great human beings too since they mingle with regular Australians on day to day basis. I've heard from my relatives there in Aus about cricketers, they have seen Ricky Ponting sitting on a bench besides a lake having fish and chips or Bill Lawry in a supermarket.

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13 hours ago, Vilander said:

Added that for you, very true statement.

 

Dravid is such a gentleman for doing this. 

Rajya Sabha MP?

Tendulkar has hardly stepped into the parliament a couple of time. That's one thing I hate about him. He has Disrespected the parliament. 

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4 hours ago, MechEng said:

In India we expect great sportsmen to be cocky, arrogant and behave like gods. If they behave like normal human beings, they are elevated to great selfless saints.

 

Like I remember a pic where Dravid was standing in a queue for something and the whole social media went crazy on what a great human being he is. In that case all Australian cricketers are great human beings too since they mingle with regular Australians on day to day basis. I've heard from my relatives there in Aus about cricketers, they have seen Ricky Ponting sitting on a bench besides a lake having fish and chips or Bill Lawry in a supermarket.

Good post. Also younger generation (not older ones) go crazy over arrogant and OTT animated characters too if they are very successful. Either way Indian people in general are "perennially worshippers" always in search of human gods. It's one thing to take inspiration from your human god but completely cringeworthy if you worship him, defend him for his wrongdoings or simply live in naive world where your god does nothing wrong. 

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47 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Good post. Also younger generation (not older ones) go crazy over arrogant and OTT animated characters too if they are very successful. Either way Indian people in general are "perennially worshippers" always in search of human gods. It's one thing to take inspiration from your human god but completely cringeworthy if you worship him, defend him for his wrongdoings or simply live in naive world where your god does nothing wrong. 

Have you witnessed younger generation (post 2000 born) showing interest in cricket? In Mumbai it's all Premier League football, cricket craze is confined to the working class section there.

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17 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

If we go on to win this U19 ODI Cup, he deserves more credit for the coaching aspects as well.

He is already getting OTT credit regardless of the fact that India has had in past and will keep doing great in u19 WC in future with or without dravid.

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15 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

I can assure you if shastri was under 19 coach or prasad was under 19 coach we would have cruised to final as well but icf would have slaughtered then still lol 

 

perceptions 

But Shastri would select players for incorrect format says “go smash them” and yells at press if they don’t well. 

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21 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

Love Dravid . Great player and doing good job as coach 

 

but let’s not pretend he made shaw, Gill and co ! 

This!

 

or nagarkoti, or Mavi, or Porel...

 

Credit for that goes into these boys' own local coaches, other long term BCCI coaches, and families for pushing them all those years.

 

Dravid has had an important influence but this OTT idol worship of stars has to end. happened for Dhoni too. Ganguly before that. It's nonsense.

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3 minutes ago, gattaca said:

What mob ? Shastri is freeloader he has no plans. Just a captain chamcha. 

Yes gets on well with skipper . Skipper leads and coach more just fine tunes 

 

what you want him to take on kohli like Kumble did . His do you think that will end up for shastri and India team ? 

 

Shastri spot on in his approach . It’s working very well , hard for mob to get over this 

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2 minutes ago, Dada's Army said:

This!

 

or nagarkoti, or Mavi, or Porel...

 

Credit for that goes into these boys' own local coaches, other long term BCCI coaches, and families for pushing them all those years.

 

Dravid has had an important influence but this OTT idol worship of stars has to end. happened for Dhoni too. Ganguly before that. It's nonsense.

Some are made heroes others villains 

 

no one explores grey areas lol 

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Dravid won’t have helped guys like Nagarkoti increase their pace and stuff surely, but he did help guys like Manjot who put their head down today and played a different game than he usually does and anchored the innings once Gill and Shaw got out ina crucial world cup final.  During every man of the match, Indian guys talked about how Dravid reminded them to play ground shots which helped them score runs.

 

Manjot switched his game today and realised the need to keep it down once we lost two wickets.

 

Also same with Desai.

 

You can say whatever you want but Dravid  talking to youngsters will only help them and it did happen in this workd cup too. 

 

Perfect guy for any kid to talk to about their game or even life. 

 

Legend, The Wall.

 

 

 

 

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American writer on cricinfo puts it perfectly just now

 

 
“Rahul Dravid cracks me up. Speaks during interview about how embarrassed he is sometimes as coach of India U-19 because too much attention is put on him because of his stature rather than the players and support staff. Class act. World cricket needs more of him.”

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Hard to please Indians, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I am pretty sure some punjabi/bengali cricketer had achieved a WC, albeit u19, they would be hailed as a supreme force of change. Nobody is claiming he made these young players, they would be pretty good at their skill to get selected among the 1000s of aspiring players. But, definitely, as a coach , he can shape them, their temperment and to keep a level head, especially when there was a IPL auction stupidly scheduled in the  middle of a WC to distract these teenagers.  Just  to be around them itself would be inspiring to these young minds and Dravid has the perfect image for somebody to look up to.

 

Look at the expression of the one in the cap ...amazing

 

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1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Hard to please Indians, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I am pretty sure some punjabi/bengali cricketer had achieved a WC, albeit u19, they would be hailed as a supreme force of change. Nobody is claiming he made these young players, they would be pretty good at their skill to get selected among the 1000s of aspiring players. But, definitely, as a coach , he can shape them, their temperment and to keep a level head, especially when there was a IPL auction stupidly scheduled in the  middle of a WC to distract these teenagers.  Just  to be around them itself would be inspiring to these young minds and Dravid has the perfect image for somebody to look up to.

EXACTLY. Amazing person Dravid to have around.

Comparison with sleazeball Ravi Shaz by dsr is just attn seeking.

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3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Hard to please Indians, damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I am pretty sure some punjabi/bengali cricketer had achieved a WC, albeit u19, they would be hailed as a supreme force of change. Nobody is claiming he made these young players, they would be pretty good at their skill to get selected among the 1000s of aspiring players. But, definitely, as a coach , he can shape them, their temperment and to keep a level head, especially when there was a IPL auction stupidly scheduled in the  middle of a WC to distract these teenagers.  Just  to be around them itself would be inspiring to these young minds and Dravid has the perfect image for somebody to look up to.

Yeah...he told them under 19 wc is once in a life time event while ipl comes every year. 

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7 minutes ago, Gambit said:

Dravid: I am getting too much credit, please focus on the players.

 

Shastri: Where are the experts now?

Succinct.

 

@King Tendulkar - can you pls create a step-down from coach Ravi Shaz thread? I'll do it later, but meanwhile you can also create.

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40 minutes ago, Gambit said:

Dravid: I am getting too much credit, please focus on the players.

 

Shastri: Where are the experts now?

Well said.

 

No ego at all. 

 

However, he has made another contribution to the Indian Under 19 cricketers. Just superb. 

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The biggest contributors are:

 

Sunil Gavaskar: gave belief to a nation that Indians could be the best in the world at a sport 

 

Kapil Dev: Influenced subsequent generations of seam bowling, dynamic fielding and explosive batting with his style of play. Also promoted fearless cricket.

 

Sachin: again, one of the best in the world and in the conversation for GOAT. Inspired so many cricketers of modern generation that they could be great.

 

Dravid: excellent test player, excellent ODI player (before World Cup 2007), took the wicket keeping gloves for the team, showed Indian batsmen how to bat overseas, helped development of A team players like Hardik and of course guided U19 to WC victory. 

 

Who made the biggest contribution is debatable but there is no argument that Dravid sir contributed at the greatest number of different levels e.g. test, ODI, WK, A-tour development, U19 development. He'll be given 50 lakhs for his work, could easily make that money doing nothing and sitting on advisory committees drinking cups of tea. Rather than going through the grind of touring during middle age. We are lucky he volunteeered for the job and not someone like Bharat Arun.

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On 2/1/2018 at 10:49 PM, maniac said:

Contribution would be If Dravid goes on to the villages and tribal areas for free and starts to coach kids there,I would tip my hat off to him.

 

I think we are going overboard here...I rest my case. 

One guy is doing something sincerely and you pick on him....

If that is your yardstick, then why not any Indian greats did anything remotely like what you said......list  includes sachin, ganguly, gavasakar, kapil dev and many more....

Of all the Indian stars, Dravid's off-field contribution to indian cricket is highest...

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Rahul Great coach and a wonderful person :hatsoff:

 

Kudos to BCCI for over the years having a wonderful infrastructure and facilities set up for junior cricket and for years to come.6/10 finals is an incredible stat.

 

Also Kudos to BCCI for hiring the right man to lead these kids and provindinf him with all that he needs.

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Dravid could've sat at home, gotten fat off the millions he made and had an awesome retirement life...but he has chosen to work w/ U19 team...Never mind that this team just won the WC but even if they didn't...you've got to admire that work ethic of Dravid. He doesn't need to do jackshit...but he still wakes up every day and goes to work like some newcomer trying to make it. :adore:

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1 hour ago, Texy said:

Dravid could've sat at home, gotten fat off the millions he made and had an awesome retirement life...but he has chosen to work w/ U19 team...Never mind that this team just won the WC but even if they didn't...you've got to admire that work ethic of Dravid. He doesn't need to do jackshit...but he still wakes up every day and goes to work like some newcomer trying to make it. :adore:

Does he also get paid like a newcomer?

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A coach has a very important role. He can make or break a team. The environment he creates at net sessions, the thoughtfulness and creativity at nets sessions, the discipline and the role model attributes that are there for his pupils to follow all contribute in increasing the probability of success. 

 

Paras Mhambrey and support staff have also played their roles well as we see the bowlers have also done well.

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

Rahul Great coach and a wonderful person :hatsoff:

 

Kudos to BCCI for over the years having a wonderful infrastructure and facilities set up for junior cricket and for years to come.6/10 finals is an incredible stat.

 

Also Kudos to BCCI for hiring the right man to lead these kids and provindinf him with all that he needs.

He would also make a great admin if he wanted to go that route (and it was clear he was a good commentator in the few matches he did in the past)

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