Muloghonto Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Under_Score said: @Malcolm Merlyn To you, the Air India bombing in 1985 which resulted in the deaths of under 350 people is more sad & tragic than over 3000 innocent Sikhs killed by Hindu terrorists during 1984 riots. It is not that important & it's a separate issue...that says about your mentality. Sikhs in India have forgotten according to you...go talk to the victim's families in Delhi & Kanpur. Minorities have ZERO hope in a country like India which has so many corrupt leaders, people like you support & appease them....that's why it'll remain a Third world country forever. Ofcourse to me, 350 dead Canadians are a bigger issue than 3000 in India. Should be to you too: you live here. Your family is here. So is mine. This happened here, the victims resided here, the bereaved live here. And the terrorists who are free, are also here. The only reason you feel it is a 'seperate issue' and not an inferior issue, like any other massacre, in any other country, is because of your clannish mentality- similar to muslims for eg (and some Hindus)- where you somehow care more for people in your 'religious community affiliations' than the citizens of your own nation. Btw, Sikhs are doing better in India compared to the average Indian than Sikhs are doing in Canada compared to the average Canadian. So yes, because Canada is 10 times richer than India, the average Sikh here is richer than his/her counterpart in India. But where-as Sikhs make up the bottom half of the Canadian income pyramid as far as wealthy demographics go, they sit in the top half in India. So its a bit funny to hear how minorities wont thrive in India but will in Canada, when compared to the mean of the land, your demographics are doing better in INdia than in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I think people are reading too much into the lack of the meet. Both Yogi and Modi were effectively busy in Tripura elections where BJP is in a tussle with the CPM. With the campaign withing Tripura banned. They needed to find means to circumvent the same. Modiji used his speech at the container terminal etc to parade development which was broadcast live in local channels in Tripura and goes hand in hand with the development agenda. Yogiji did something similar as the Deb sect in Tripura of which he is the religious head. Who planned this visit I dont know. But maybe if JT would have come on Monday (today) then it would not have been an issue. Both the local Indian and Canadian media need to look deeper into the actions than relying on lazy reporting. The BJP's new headquarters too was specifically scheduled to open on the day Modji's speech could reach the people of Tripura when he could not officially campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) @Under_Score In India, Sikhs are one of the richest communities and the state of Punjab is the richest state. On almost all societal and economic metrics ( except male to female ratio) Punjab is a leader of sorts. You can read about it here. I agree that India has corrupt leadership yadda yadda, but to say that minorities have zero hope in India is untrue. Minorities, by and large, have flourished here. Edited February 19, 2018 by Mariyam Turning_track, BeardedAladdin and sandeep 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 The difference in how Congress leaders reacted when Modi was denied US visa and how BJP is reacting when a Cong CM is snubbed shows who puts party first and who puts country first. Turning_track, chewy, G_B_ and 4 others 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Under_Score said: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-india-sikh-singh-1.4538164 from the link... "Last year, Singh refused to meet with Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan, accusing him of supporting the pro-Khalistani movement, which advocates for an independent Sikh state. Earlier this month, Singh told Outlook Indiamagazine that "there seems to be evidence that there are Khalistani sympathizers in Trudeau's cabinet." This is the real reason how it all started, some people in India still think that ALL Canadian Sikhs are Khalistanis. The moment is dead...so stop this hate & fear & chill out in life. True, Capt Amrinder didn't meet the Defence Minister of Canada, Harjit Sajjan. Trudeau is scheduled to visit Darbar Sahib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 The genocide of Sikhs in 1984 was a huge coverup with evidence and witnesses being overlooked under the Congress government. Just recently, entire villages of Sikhs burnt were found. Rotten to the core when the PM of India said that when a big tree falls, the earth shakes below. Sikhs will get no closure on the 1984 genocide. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Anyone interested, read the book ' When a Tree Shook Delhi: The 1984 Carnage and its Aftermath' Under_Score and tweaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 13 hours ago, Under_Score said: over 3000 innocent Sikhs killed ..... during 1984 riots. 3000 is the 'offcial' number by the government but the actual count is said to way higher. Just last couple of years, there were mass graves of Sikhs found who were burnt alive. And there were no FIR filled by the police. Also, while the epicenter of the sikh deaths was delhi, it was widespread to Haryana, and to even Bihar. Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I am pro-BJP here.. but I still dont like if our country insults another country's leader at state level... We dont insult our guests.. it is not in our tradition..He came with his family... and the guy looks peace loving leader.. . BJP should have respectfully uninvite Canadian PM instead of going in this route. After all so many Indians live and earn money there. Very disappointed.. Under_Score, sergio04 and cowboysfan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Morever, the army and the government destroyed the Sikh Reference library at the Golden Temple in 1984. It contained rare Sikh manuscripts and other literature. The army, CBI took the material from the library, took it elsewhere and destroyed it. Under_Score and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, BeardedAladdin said: Sikhs are not a minority in india. Sikhs make up less than 2% of India. Ofcourse they're a minority Edited February 19, 2018 by PBN Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcastic Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 23 hours ago, FischerTal said: things have gotten so bad that at Vancouver airport, there are signs now in Chinese. kaneda and most western economies will have to fall in front of Asian economies during this century. money talks!!! That's not Chinese but Cantonese AFAIK. A lot of Hong Kongians have come and settled in Vancouver out of fear of communism in the mid-late 90's. A good part of downtown Vancouver is owned by these people. Until then Vancouver was essentially only a tourist destination. Canadian sympathies sometimes seem to extend too much in favor of minorities to very worrying levels but this is probably not the worst one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 It's turning out to be a family vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Trudeau meeting CM of Punjab will only help punjab as trade will grow for Punjab. Trudeau will likely meet Amrinder and Modi is already scheduled to meet Trudeau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 14 hours ago, Under_Score said: @Malcolm Merlyn To you, the Air India bombing in 1985 which resulted in the deaths of under 350 people is more sad & tragic than over 3000 innocent Sikhs killed by Hindu terrorists during 1984 riots. It is not that important & it's a separate issue...that says about your mentality. Sikhs in India have forgotten according to you...go talk to the victim's families in Delhi & Kanpur. Minorities have ZERO hope in a country like India which has so many corrupt leaders, people like you support & appease them....that's why it'll remain a Third world country forever. The 1984 riots were undoubtedly horrible and it's a travesty that the perpetrators haven't been punished to date. No justification for what they did. What was also horrible was the daily violence committed by Khalistani terrorists on innocent Punjabi Hindus. The estimated number of deaths was in the tens of thousands. There is a reason why Sikhs like KPS Gill and Gen. Brar decided to do what they did. There was a lot of traction for the Khalistani movement within Punjab in the late 80s, comparable if not worse than the Kashmir movement at its peak. A no-holds barred approach by the Indian security establishment was the only solution considering the backing the movement received/receives from the ISI. Not sure if you've been following Indian state politics lately, but do you know why Punjab decided to elect the Congress to power last year? They same Congress party, which was responsible for the riots, somehow got the popular mandate in a Sikh majority state, how? Seeing AAP trying to co-opt Khalistanis, people decided to vote for the lesser evil in a Congress led by Capt. Amrinder Singh. cowboysfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Mariyam said: @Under_Score In India, Sikhs are one of the richest communities and the state of Punjab is the richest state. On almost all societal and economic metrics ( except male to female ratio) Punjab is a leader of sorts. You can read about it here. Punjab has always been one of the richest states throughout recent history despite all the troubles. If anything, Punjab's progress has stagnated over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, jalebi_bhai said: Not sure if you've been following Indian state politics lately, but do you know why Punjab decided to elect the Congress to power last year? They same Congress party, which was responsible for the riots, somehow got the popular mandate in a Sikh majority state, how? Seeing AAP trying to co-opt Khalistanis, people decided to vote for the lesser evil in a Congress led by Capt. Amrinder Singh. huh? There was anti-incumbency moviement in Punjab. Got nothing to do with the fact that Punjabis love Congress of 1984. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, PBN said: huh? There was anti-incumbency moviement in Punjab. Got nothing to do with the fact that Punjabis love Congress of 1984. My point exactly. Ground realities change. People in Punjab have moved on from that era, so why haven't the overseas Sikhs? Anti-incumbency was against SAD and BJP. Punjabis realistically had a choice between AAP and Congress. They decided to back the more administratively experienced Congress than the gabru jawans of AAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, jalebi_bhai said: Not sure if you've been following Indian state politics lately, but do you know why Punjab decided to elect the Congress to power last year? They same Congress party, which was responsible for the riots, somehow got the popular mandate in a Sikh majority state, how? Seeing AAP trying to co-opt Khalistanis, people decided to vote for the lesser evil in a Congress led by Capt. Amrinder Singh. From what i gathered, talking to my Punjabi friends here is this : Punjab is in the grips of a serious opiate addiction problem and their main party- Akali Dal- have done jack $hit about it. So they were all hell-bent on getting Akali out of the government. BJP being allied to Akali meant it was going to be Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said: From what i gathered, talking to my Punjabi friends here is this : Punjab is in the grips of a serious opiate addiction problem and their main party- Akali Dal- have done jack $hit about it. So they were all hell-bent on getting Akali out of the government. BJP being allied to Akali meant it was going to be Congress. Bikram Singh Majithia, who is Harsimrat Kaur Badal's brother, is alleged be involved in the drug racket. Not sure how true the allegations are though. More than anything, it was strong anti-incumbency against SAD and their own misrule of the state. The drug menace among mostly unemployed youth was a compounding factor. The simple point I was making using the election results was that ground realities can change. Majority Punjabis could've voted for AAP as well but they decided not too. Muloghonto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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