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35 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

That's the line an off spinner should bowl. I am sure he'll continue doing so even if he gets hit Alford a few boundaries. But dumb Ashwin would go defensive. 

Maharaj took 5 wickets. Now figure out how the pitch would have played out.

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19 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Maharaj took 5 wickets. Now figure out how the pitch would have played out.

Maharaja is a very good bowler especially against non-subcontinental sides. The only visiting spinner in recent years who did well IN Australia. Has taken fifers at home and in England. You don't average 25 in test cricket outside Asia as a spinner if you are average. Ashwin got a similar pitch in the second test. What did he do? Now before you come up with dropped catches, yes a few were dropped in the first innings, but no catches were dropped off his bowling the second innings still he ended up wicketless. Even commentators were calling out his wrong lines. 

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17 minutes ago, Jamadagni said:

Maharaja is a very good bowler especially against non-subcontinental sides. The only visiting spinner in recent years who did well IN Australia. Has taken fifers at home and in England. You don't average 25 in test cricket outside Asia as a spinner if you are average. Ashwin got a similar pitch in the second test. What did he do? Now before you come up with dropped catches, yes a few were dropped in the first innings, but no catches were dropped off his bowling the second innings still he ended up wicketless. Even commentators were calling out his wrong lines. 

Both Maharaj and Ashwin bowled on the same pitch. Now before you come up with subcontinent batsmen are better players of spin, the very same batsmen have given buckets of wickets to Swann, Monty, Lyon and not to mention O'Keefe.

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24 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

* the bewda,we could have beaten this really poor SA team,he killed us in the first 2 matches with catastrophic selections.

Australian bowling attack is by far the best in the world, and Australia are hence the best team in the world. South Africa are great test team (virtue of second best bowling attack).

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Kock sawed off by Aussie Sher.  Guess I spoke too soon about the follow-on mark!

Australia showing some admirable bulldoze tactics. South Africa don't belong in the same park in terms of cricketing skill.

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8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

This shows how bad our bowling attack was. they bowled well but only in patches.

Not really. Our bowling is not this good. Hazlewood was not accurate at all. It was basically Lyon and Starc doing the damage.

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What a bowling lineup Aus has with Starc, Hazelwood & Cummins. All can be express and lethal. India will fold like a cheap paperback when they are down under to this pace battery. :giggle:

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27 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

This shows how bad our bowling attack was. they bowled well but only in patches.

No practice games,they didn't know which lengths to ball ,else we'd have won the first match. Bowling coach also inept. 

Australia have played practice games and hit the correct lengths straight away 

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7 minutes ago, dandaroy said:

What a bowling lineup Aus has with Starc, Hazelwood & Cummins. All can be express and lethal. India will fold like a cheap paperback when they are down under to this pace battery. :giggle:

Exactly. Australians are so philosophical and intelligent in bowling.

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Just now, adi B said:

No practice games,they didn't know which lengths to ball ,else we'd have won the first match. Bowling coach also inept. 

Australia have played practice games and hit the correct lengths straight away 

actually, this all correlates with a lack of bowling skill.

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3 minutes ago, Insidious said:

Just show how pathetic our performance was, when we lost test series to 'this' southAfrican side.

exactly. Australia have better bowling, fielding and batting than India.

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4/0 Australia 

We do not have caliber of MS @Reverse swing champion bowler 

MS 1 82 Degree Reverse swing after tea compares to 1.06 in his first spell 

 

150/5

162 all out 

ABD  71 not out 

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This does make me angrier that we didn’t give ourselves the best chance to win over there. South Africa are proper rubbish. Too many batters over the hill, out of form, or both.

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Ab devilliers is still the best test batsman in the world, despite what the stats say, devilliers is ahead of smith as a test batsman and this match clearly showed that, he looked in a completely different league and even in the last series against India it was devilliers' innings  which changed the course of the match and series

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31 minutes ago, Insidious said:

Just show how pathetic our performance was, when we lost test series to 'this' southAfrican side.

 

29 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

exactly. Australia have better bowling, fielding and batting than India.

 

And this same australia lost a test match to bangladesh and was whitewashed by lanka whom we smack around for fun. It's the conditions man, australia are more suited to saffer conditions so they will always find it easier to adapt compared to subcontinental teams and the vice versa is true as well

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8 minutes ago, kira said:

Ab devilliers is still the best test batsman in the world, despite what the stats say, devilliers is ahead of smith as a test batsman and this match clearly showed that, he looked in a completely different league and even in the last series against India it was devilliers' innings  which changed the course of the match and series

Smith as present is king ABD is now past his prime commentators were saying this could his last test series

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8 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Smith as present is king ABD is now past his prime commentators were saying this could his last test series

Smith is only king in stats, he's one of the most unaesthetic batsman I have ever seen, his stroke play is very limited due to which he struggles in the limited overs, the only reason he is so successful is because of his hand eye coordination and his unorthodox technique due to which he's easily able to negotiate the deliveries outside the off stump by shuffling towards off side. Sure credit to him for making himself so successful at the test level and he definitely deserves praise for that but there's more to batting than just pure stats, smith doesn't have the aura of an all time great batsman, sure he'll end up with an ATG career in test cricket.  

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10 minutes ago, kira said:

Smith is only king in stats, he's one of the most unaesthetic batsman I have ever seen, his stroke play is very limited due to which he struggles in the limited overs, the only reason he is so successful is because of his hand eye coordination and his unorthodox technique due to which he's easily able to negotiate the deliveries outside the off stump by shuffling towards off side. Sure credit to him for making himself so successful at the test level and he definitely deserves praise for that but there's more to batting than just pure stats, smith doesn't have the aura of an all time great batsman, sure he'll end up with an ATG career in test cricket.  

again, indian fans focus on more attractiveness/technique than efficiency. It's like English football fans focus on physicality too much.

 

For god's sake, a batsman's job is to SCORE RUNS!

 

Let me reconfirm: a batsman's job is to score runs!

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8 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

again, indian fans focus on more attractiveness/technique than efficiency. It's like English football fans focus on physicality too much.

 

For god's sake, a batsman's job is to SCORE RUNS!

 

Let me reconfirm: a batsman's job is to score runs!

He's doing his job very well, when we are talking about all time great batsman then we dig deeper, smith is not at rayudu level, great batsmen get scrutinized a lot more.

 

Cricket is not just about runs and wickets, cricket is also about entertainment, I would never pay to watch smith bat, he lacks the charisma and strokeplay of great batsman, he's found a way to score runs consistently which is why he will end up with a great test career but you won't find people tuning in just to watch smith bat.

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

This shows how bad our bowling attack was. they bowled well but only in patches.

Lolz! I think you are not looking at the score card. The Aussies have scored pretty well, in excess of 300! When did our bowlers have that kind of cushion? Also, the aussie bowlers got the time to get a feel of the wicket because the bowled 2nd. Our bowlers without any practise bowled first and did pretty well! 

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Just now, kira said:

He's doing his job very well, when we are talking about all time great batsman then we dig deeper, smith is not at rayudu level that if he does his job its fine. Cricket is not just about runs and wickets, cricket is also about entertainment, I would never pay to watch smith bat, he lacks the charisma and strokeplay of great batsman, he's found a way to score runs consistently which is why he will end up with a great test career but you won't find people tuning in just to watch smith bat.

batting is a defensive job, batting is not about entertainment, it is about scoring runs quickly at a high strike rate. 

 

Bowling is where you should derive entertainment from. 

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25 minutes ago, kira said:

 

 

And this same australia lost a test match to bangladesh and was whitewashed by lanka whom we smack around for fun. It's the conditions man, australia are more suited to saffer conditions so they will always find it easier to adapt compared to subcontinental teams and the vice versa is true as well

What conditions are you talking about? The conditions are almost sub-continental in this match. We had a brilliant chance to win a series in SA , especially when their star players are out of form, and yet we couldn't thanks to some reckless batting, harakiri in running between the wickets, poor team selection etc.

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1 minute ago, lamellavig said:

batting is a defensive job, batting is not about entertainment, it is about scoring runs quickly at a high strike rate. 

 

Bowling is where you should derive entertainment from. 

Lol kuch bhi, watch guys like sehwag, peiterson, devilliers, sachin etc bat and you'll understand real entertainment

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

This shows how bad our bowling attack was. they bowled well but only in patches.

If we had this type of pitch, Ashwin would have picked up a 10-fer.  Regardless of toss.  He could have a 5-fer in T2, its only dropped catches that stopped him.

 

Our batting prevented us from winning the series, bowlers did very well, and infact better than SA - if you put aside the 1st innings of the 1st test.

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5 hours ago, lamellavig said:

actually, this all correlates with a lack of bowling skill.

No ,it correlates with lack of practice . Get these aussie quicks couple of days in before a test match in similar conditions and they'll concede 300 runs 

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