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1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Sure, Pandey is about 10x more guilty than Shankar in this game.  I would credit Pandey with getting Brohit out as well.

 

But bottomline is Shankar hasn't really impressed with either bat or ball in hand.  I've enjoyed his spirit and effort - that has stood out big time.  But the most you can say about his bowling or batting is that he's allright.   And thats being generous.  In a country like India, with the bench strength we have, its going to be hard for him to stay relevant, with the likes of Nagarkoti etc waiting to come up through the ranks.  And there will be others as well.  

Do you do this on purpose or is it clinically diagnosed?

 

Shankar or for the matter of fact Siraj have both got a shot on the basis of strong domestic numbers as well as decent IPL showing.

 

On top of that they have age on their side and not a battle hardened domestic verterans.

 

Now Siraj has got decent chances and has fumbled it every time so time to go back

and work on the basics.Being part of IPL might get a chance to  work with some good coaches.

 

Shankar on the other hand has had his first bad game, did well with the ball every chance he got.

 

Yes batting is his strong suite but tell me how many rookies have done well in their first batting stint in a pressure final in a pressure situation?

 

Look I believe when we invest in someone we give them a fair run regardless of who it is and I think he deserves a few more chances and has done nothing wrong to be dumped yet.

 

Based on today’s game not a good start though and he needs to do a lot more now to make

up for it.

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2 minutes ago, Pollack said:

He was confused. He wasn't connecting and so he should have focussed on connecting first and taking a single atleast. He let the pressure of the match situation on him. M Pandey at the other end wasn't of much help either.

Yes, even some specialist bowlers show that much sense to give strike to other when you just cannot touch the ball. And he is expected to be having a better batting mindset. Crazy he didn't cover the ball with body and try to get bat or leg bye run. Absolutely clueless. At least Manish was getting bat on ball. 

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3 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Shankar is batsman who can bowl and not the other way around. Shankar can’t impress you until he can be given to bat consistently. Bowling is not his strength.

 

So wait for him to play at least 10-15 ODI’s and then you can judge him. And judge him based on his battinnt again. This t20 batting where he batted for the first time and had to throw his bat where he struggled aren’t the best way to decide careers.

 

Give him time.

If he's a batsman, then its really not forgiveable for him to have a 5-ball spell in the 18th over, where he can't touch the ball.  That's worse than tailenderesque.   A national team level "batsman" should have the brains and ability to at least tap the ball and get off strike.  And he did it again in the 20th over as well.  Better batsmen than him have been dropped forever from the team for less.  

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4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Yes, even some specialist bowlers show that much sense to give strike to other when you just cannot touch the ball. And he is expected to be having a better batting mindset. Crazy he didn't cover the ball with body and try to get bat or leg bye run. Absolutely clueless. At least Manish was getting bat on ball. 

He let pressure get to him...Apart from Bumrah haven’t seen a young player taking into internationals like a fish to water so far.thats not a good sign...Pandya will give it to him has the confidence but sometimes overconfidence which is his problem

 

 

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Unfair to judge him with this one but yeah he definitely is not like for like replacement for pandya. He looks more of an accumulator who can score well in middle overs. Maybe good for tests to if he improves his bowling. But definitely not a.hitter

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8 hours ago, sandeep said:

If he's a batsman, then its really not forgiveable for him to have a 5-ball spell in the 18th over, where he can't touch the ball.  That's worse than tailenderesque.   A national team level "batsman" should have the brains and ability to at least tap the ball and get off strike.  And he did it again in the 20th over as well.  Better batsmen than him have been dropped forever from the team for less.  

Thats why team lose games while chasing in t20s when players struggle to score or make silly mistakes.

 

Thats what Shankar did. These things like player not rotating strike happens all the time, even Yuvraj has done in in important games and cost India matches. Like I said, he is probabaly not the best t20 bat around and even if he does well in future, its too early to expect young players to start performing from ball one or game one.

 

T20s make new comers try different things and hence they struggle. Shankar is just another player who struggled in his first t20 outing with the bat.

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Shankar is batsman who can bowl and not the other way around. Shankar can’t impress you until he can be given to bat consistently. Bowling is not his strength.

 

So wait for him to play at least 10-15 ODI’s and then you can judge him. And judge him based on his battinnt again. This t20 batting where he batted for the first time and had to throw his bat where he struggled aren’t the best way to decide careers.

 

Give him time.

One can understand a bad innings but showing the inability to even touch the ball with bat is a major concern. His basic batting qualities have been found to be questionable. I am not that disappointed because he made 17 in 19 balls. The disgusting aspect of his batting was to see him not connect 3 balls in one over even on a wicket where 4 and sixers were not tough. And the bowler was not a T20 great as well. 

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29 minutes ago, maniac said:

He let pressure get to him...Apart from Bumrah haven’t seen a young player taking into internationals like a fish to water so far.thats not a good sign...Pandya will give it to him has the confidence but sometimes overconfidence which is his problem

 

 

The concern is his failure to connect ball consecutively as well as not showing intelligence to cover and try at least leg bye if he cannot middle it. It exposed his basic batting skills as well as not able to effect or think of "Plan B" in today's innings.

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The concern is his failure to connect ball consecutively as well as not showing intelligence to cover and try at least leg bye if he cannot middle it. It exposed his basic batting skills as well as not able to effect or think of "Plan B" in today's innings.
Clearly Final pressure got to him.His bowling was off and batting under pressure was not up to mark.But he will get better .

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8 minutes ago, CG said:
32 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:
The concern is his failure to connect ball consecutively as well as not showing intelligence to cover and try at least leg bye if he cannot middle it. It exposed his basic batting skills as well as not able to effect or think of "Plan B" in today's innings.

Clearly Final pressure got to him.His bowling was off and batting under pressure was not up to mark.But he will get better .

Nowhere near Hardik Pandya at T20 format. Even Binny had better  T20 batting than Shankar. Probably his T20 batting is on par only with Rishi Dhawan. Actually it was good that Hardik got rest. Now the rosy picture of having an all rounder backup is horribly exposed. Sometimes it is better to have a thorough understanding of the depth of each and every skill set at international level.

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he has temperament issue's. his Batting skills went zero and was going for wil slogs and not even watching the ball till it connects to the bat...cant crucify him as he is young but definitely NO where near INDIA Material at present. 

since he has all round skills he should be trained hard but definitely he cannot challenge hardik pandya or washington sundar- these two guys are india level all rounders...i hope sundar bats well. at least one of his Skills is too good.

shankar should be asked to pack his bags and play domestic cricket and washington Sundar should be into indian odi and t20 team regularly.

Chahal also looks a RUBBISH fielder like ASHWIN.

even shardul thakur is a pacer who needs to improve a lot.

Shankar is definitely not the bowler we need, he looked very very pedestrian always and seems to be a back door entry into indian cricket.

 

it is better to play rishi dhawan or even stuart Binny Ahead of him...we need to be fair to rishi and binny , binny was always a very good batsman and his bowling was no where as rubbish as shankar...i am not trying to say play Binny , he is a trundler and for sure our search for a back up for pandya should continue, we should DUMP shankar, i don't think he can play for INDIA.

 

he seems to have some fitness issue's as well. i see him kinda getting tired as if he is a old man after one over.

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okay . Seeing and analyzing again  he clearly has problem against slower balls. He missed all the slower balls from Fizz. Then later sowmya sorkar bowled a slower one. He missed that too. He is one of those guys who could play the ball rather than manufacture a shot.If anything we need someone like Raina down the order to get going from ball one. Pandya, Raina, DK . These consolidators can push the asking rate from 7 to 19 in no time. So he probably is more suited to one dayers. 

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This knuckle ball is clearly not working for some of our bowlers in the death like it is working for Bhuvi.  May be they don't mix it well , don't hit the right length. Thakur got it horribly wrong.  Shankar has trouble bowling to his field.  Thakur is always kind of a bowler who gets carted around from time to time with unimaginative bowling. 

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8 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Nowhere near Hardik Pandya at T20 format. Even Binny had better  T20 batting than Shankar. Probably his T20 batting is on par only with Rishi Dhawan. Actually it was good that Hardik got rest. Now the rosy picture of having an all rounder backup is horribly exposed. Sometimes it is better to have a thorough understanding of the depth of each and every skill set at international level.

Yes and that means the rotation policy brought in by the selectors is a very good initiative. We need to give credit for that. We find 'kaun kitna paani mein hai'

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10 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Nowhere near Hardik Pandya at T20 format. Even Binny had better  T20 batting than Shankar. Probably his T20 batting is on par only with Rishi Dhawan. Actually it was good that Hardik got rest. Now the rosy picture of having an all rounder backup is horribly exposed. Sometimes it is better to have a thorough understanding of the depth of each and every skill set at international level.

You got all that from one inning with bat first one ever in international level that too a tournament final. His bowling was on and off through the series not the worst.  He probably is not a t20 bat though

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The last ball shankar faced india needing 5 was after he hit a four. He tried clearing the field and was caught near the ropes. If he attained a bit more distance and bit less height it would have been the 6 that won the game will folks be calling him a find ? Lol be chilled about this you can not judge a player by one inning.

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Mental midget.

If he is so bad under pressure that he forgets how to bat when he is little under the pump how will he handle the pressure of playing big tournament knock outs against big teams or our arch rivals.

You can improve your skills become better puller of the ball, improve seam position, become better fielder but how your brain responds to pressure situations can't be changed. 

A pressure situation becomes an opportunity to become a hero, if your fear of becoming a villain overshadows that then you will most probably become a villain.

I doubt he will be able to put the outing yesterday behind. It will keep haunting him forever and when he gets into the middle in such situation again he will most probably again bottle it.

In my opinion should never play for India again. 

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India and their Rishi Dhawan type cricketers lol. For such a cricketing mad country their output hasn’t been too great. Not a single time where they have dominated or produced world class players in all facets.

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26 minutes ago, Ellipsism said:

India and their Rishi Dhawan type cricketers lol. For such a cricketing mad country their output hasn’t been too great. Not a single time where they have dominated or produced world class players in all facets.

Your world class players have put you on elite no.7 in tests,no.6 in odis....whitewashes have become routine business with tailunted players playing in green shirts

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4 hours ago, Ellipsism said:

India and their Rishi Dhawan type cricketers lol. For such a cricketing mad country their output hasn’t been too great. Not a single time where they have dominated or produced world class players in all facets.

He is not Rishi Dhawan type of cricketer. He is more a specialist batsman as you can see from his shots. He is just not a slogger.

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I get the feeling that lot of people here didn't played game at any professional level. For him, this is the pressure match and never batted in international level and these are final over.

This is too much to handle.

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Vijay Shankar is a good batsman. He failed to handle the pressure in his first outing at international level in a pressure situation. Is that really so bad? People should have patience. Thoroughly unimpressed with his mental strength though. He hasn't had much IPL experience either. Crap tnpl doesn't count.

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Vijay Shankar last batted in an actual match on 9th February 2018.  His next chance to bat was on 18 th March 2018. 

 

So, a guy bats for the first time in an international match in the final few overs of a tournament final ... that too without having match practice in batting for 36 days.

 

Do people realize how difficult the situation was for him  !

 

Would any one of us on ICF like to play their first international innings in such a circumstance  ?

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Sachin got a duck in his debut innings.

 

Dhoni, Dhawan, Raina - All got ducks in their debut ODI innings.

 

Dhoni off all people got runout in his debut. He went on to become one of the best runners in international cricket.

 

Debut nerves has done funny things to Greats of the games. And here only in ICF you expect everyone to perform from ball one.

 

Mustafizur has one of the best slower balls as and is a wonderful T20 bowler. It would surely be difficult for someone debuting to pick him immediately in the slog overs.

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10 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Your world class players have put you on elite no.7 in tests,no.6 in odis....whitewashes have become routine business with tailunted players playing in green shirts

There’s no need to bring Pakistan in this. Even with Indian cricketers having excellent coaches and a very strong domestic system along with a nation that treats the game like a religion, they are yet to dominate world cricket and churn out quality fast bowlers. 

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1 minute ago, Forever Indian said:

Sachin got a duck in his debut innings.

 

Dhoni, Dhawan, Raina - All got ducks in their debut ODI innings.

 

Dhoni off all people got runout in his debut. He went on to become one of the best runners in international cricket.

 

Debut nerves has done funny things to Greats of the games. And here only in ICF you expect everyone to perform from ball one.

Spot on. When you are nervous even your trusted shots will desert you. That guy is a good offside player as well. Look what he tried to do against those wide slower balls. Tried to heave over on side. He will learn in due course there are times you just have to react not try to proact.  That 4 of yorker was a very well executed shot. He might look like a villain for us now. For TN he has played some of the very clutch knocks. Give him some time.

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6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

He is not Rishi Dhawan type of cricketer. He is more a specialist batsman as you can see from his shots. He is just not a slogger.

I’m just assuming from what’s being said in the thread. Maybe he’s better than Rishi Dhawan, but seriously how did that guy make your team lol. I know Pakistan ain’t at its best at the moment but we still have some sort of dignity and didn’t have 110 kph trundlers who bat at 8 lol. And that too on an important tour, so there’s no excuse of just trying to test players out.

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47 minutes ago, Ellipsism said:

I’m just assuming from what’s being said in the thread. Maybe he’s better than Rishi Dhawan, but seriously how did that guy make your team lol

Shankar is a powerful hitter who has been known to hit big sixes in domestic cricket.

 

47 minutes ago, Ellipsism said:

.. And that too on an important tour,

 

What important tour   !!    :giggle: 

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1 hour ago, Ellipsism said:

I’m just assuming from what’s being said in the thread. Maybe he’s better than Rishi Dhawan, but seriously how did that guy make your team lol. I know Pakistan ain’t at its best at the moment but we still have some sort of dignity and didn’t have 110 kph trundlers who bat at 8 lol. And that too on an important tour, so there’s no excuse of just trying to test players out.

110 kph trundler???  do you watch anything before opening your mouth???   

Posters like you is the reason i have a hard time believing any actual reasonable people with any sort of analytical mind can actually exist across the border.  Pure attention seekers.

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