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Ee Sala Cup Namde : The Official 2018 RCB thread

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Even before the tournament started, it was obvious RCB made a blunder not to retain KL Rahul.

Virat, AB, KL and Chahal were the MUST to be retained / bought back. Retaining Sarfaraz made no sense. Even if they really wanted him, they could have easily bought him in the auction at a small cost.

 

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2 games in ...

 

Good news so far is some of the not top-of-the-shelf players like Umesh, Sundar and Mandeep have done well ... that's a few less headaches in selection.

 

Obviously too top heavy ... need to drop BMac and strengthen the middle order with may be DeGrandhomme .. Sarfaraz needs to be dropped. Kejroliya bowling good lengths and pace, needs to adjust his line a bit. Chahal and Woakes need a good outing in the next game.

 

+ Q DeKock

M Vohra

* V Kohli

AB DeVilliers

C DeGrandhomme

M Singh

C Woakes

W Sundar

U Yadav

K Khejroliya

Y Chahal

 

 

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Letting go of Rahul :wall:

 

Retaining Sarfaraz :wall:

 

Picking a has been BMac :wall:

 

Foreign picks ... NCN, BMac, Woakes, QDK, C Anderson, M Ali, Southee, CDG ... apart from QDK and may be NCN and CDG (potentially), the rest are average T20 players.

 

Most in ICF would have done a better job at auction than these dumb*ucks who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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With the status quo, no way in hell RCB can make it far in this IPL.

 

They need to get away from this top-heavy batting order. It worked in 2016 only because Virat and AbDV were in the form of their lives. Rahul also had an exceptional season in the middle order. Gayle wasn't consistent but he won couple of games on his own, and almost won the final too.

 

I feel they really have to strengthen the middle order. It will keep them in the game for longer periods, unlike now which is boom or bust at the top. Batting late in the order is more difficult than batting earlier in the innings. Senior players (Virat, ABDV) have to take the responsibility of batting through the middle and end overs and finish the games.

 

They need to extend the batting depth. Sundar seems to have the batting game for the powerplay overs. I'd try this order for a game or two and see how it goes. I feel it would work well.

 

W Sundar

M Vohra

+ Q DeKock

* V Kohli

A DeVilliers

C DeGrandhomme

M Singh

C Woakes

U Yadav

K Kejroliya

Y Chahal

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, philcric said:

With the status quo, no way in hell RCB can make it far in this IPL.

 

They need to get away from this top-heavy batting order. It worked in 2016 only because Virat and AbDV were in the form of their lives. Rahul also had an exceptional season in the middle order. Gayle wasn't consistent but he won couple of games on his own, and almost won the final too.

 

I feel they really have to strengthen the middle order. It will keep them in the game for longer periods, unlike now which is boom or bust at the top. Batting late in the order is more difficult than batting earlier in the innings. Senior players (Virat, ABDV) have to take the responsibility of batting through the middle and end overs and finish the games.

 

They need to extend the batting depth. Sundar seems to have the batting game for the powerplay overs. I'd try this order for a game or two and see how it goes. I feel it would work well.

 

W Sundar

M Vohra

+ Q DeKock

* V Kohli

A DeVilliers

D DeGrandhomme

M Singh

C Woakes

U Yadav

K Kejroliya

Y Chahal

 

 

 

 

This is a lot better balanced and a strong batting order. But Kohli said not to expect major changes after today's game. So it would take losing a few more games to change this shitty batting line-up. At the most we will see one change in the bowling line up. :facepalm:

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4 hours ago, philcric said:

With the status quo, no way in hell RCB can make it far in this IPL.

 

They need to get away from this top-heavy batting order. It worked in 2016 only because Virat and AbDV were in the form of their lives. Rahul also had an exceptional season in the middle order. Gayle wasn't consistent but he won couple of games on his own, and almost won the final too.

 

I feel they really have to strengthen the middle order. It will keep them in the game for longer periods, unlike now which is boom or bust at the top. Batting late in the order is more difficult than batting earlier in the innings. Senior players (Virat, ABDV) have to take the responsibility of batting through the middle and end overs and finish the games.

 

They need to extend the batting depth. Sundar seems to have the batting game for the powerplay overs. I'd try this order for a game or two and see how it goes. I feel it would work well.

 

W Sundar

M Vohra

+ Q DeKock

* V Kohli

A DeVilliers

C DeGrandhomme

M Singh

C Woakes

U Yadav

K Kejroliya

Y Chahal

 

 

 

 

I'd just come  to post to have Sundar open. I like your other picks also :nice:

 

Woakes hasn't been too impressive, alas. Another spinner would help, there's a local leggie I think.

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Saw the team selection, saw the batting order. I knew the game was lost even before a single ball was bowled. MI was 0/2 after 2 balls, even then I didn't fancy RCB's chances.

 

Don't think RCB has any chance with Vettori / Kohli. Make Kirsten the head coach and ABDV the captain.

 

And FFS put some thought and come up with a strategy of how to approach the innings instead of just putting your best 3 batsmen at the top of the order and expect them to start, consolidate and finish the innings.

 

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They have to try something ridiculous. Don't think they can compete now by playing normal cricket.

 

Make ABDV the captain. May be stack the team with batting and try to out-bat the opposition. Go hard from ball one and keep batting aggressively all along.

 

W Sundar

M Vohra

+ Q DeKock

V Kohli

* AB DeVilliers

C DeGrandhomme

C Anderson

M Singh

U Yadav

M Siraj

Y Chahal

 

It's an imbalanced side, but probably has a better chance of winning than the ones which played last 4 games.

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, philcric said:

They have to try something ridiculous. Don't think they can compete now by playing normal cricket.

 

Make ABDV the captain. May be stack the team with batting and try to out-bat the opposition. Go hard from ball one and keep batting aggressively all along.

 

W Sundar

M Vohra

+ Q DeKock

V Kohli

* AB DeVilliers

C DeGrandhomme

C Anderson

M Singh

U Yadav

M Siraj

Y Chahal

 

It's an imbalanced side, but probably has a better chance of winning than the ones which played last 4 games.

 

 

 

 

 

HAHAHA THIS LOOKS MORE RUBBISH THEN CURRENT ONE

BEST BATSMAN SHUD GET MORE BALLS IN UR TEAM BEST BATSMAN  ARE COMING AT 4 N 5, I MEAN HOW CAN U MAKE PROPER BATSMANS BAT SO LOW IN T20

 

HEIGHT OF BEING DEFENSIVE 

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3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

HAHAHA THIS LOOKS MORE RUBBISH THEN CURRENT ONE

BEST BATSMAN SHUD GET MORE BALLS IN UR TEAM BEST BATSMAN  ARE COMING AT 4 N 5, I MEAN HOW CAN U MAKE PROPER BATSMANS BAT SO LOW IN T20

 

HEIGHT OF BEING DEFENSIVE 

Easy with the CAPS please.

 

A lot of 'proper batsmen' do bat at 4 and 5 in other teams ... Rohit and Pollard for MI, Rana and DK for KKR, Yuvi and Finch for KXIP, Billings and Dhoni for CSK etc.

 

The theory of 'best batsman should get more balls' is flawed because more often than not these batsmen do get out in between, and if they do get out early in the piece it may be game over.

 

It's also about effective use of your resources. Some batsmen don't have the game for middle order because of lack of power etc but may do well at the top because of new ball and fielding restrictions. They also can bat freely with the assurance that best batsmen in the team are there to take control should you get out.

 

There's no guarantee a certain strategy will definitely work. So far, RCB went with playing all their aces up front. It hasn't worked. It hasn't worked last year as well. And when it doesn't work you are out of the game very early in the piece. They need to change. They need to be in the game for longer periods while batting. You may not win the game by bat in the first 8 overs but you can certainly lose it.

 

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58 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

BEST BATSMAN SHUD GET MORE BALLS IN UR TEAM 

 

 

Not necessarily. It depends on team composition and relative strengths of batsmen in the team.

 

In 2007, Yuvi was arguably our best T20 bat, and he batted at #5.

 

 

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In 2016 ...

Gayle

Kohli

ABDV

Watson

Rahul

Mandeep / Sarfaraz / Sachin Baby

 

In 2018 ...

DeKock

Kohli

ABDV

Mandeep

C Anderson / P Negi :facepalm:

Sarfaraz

 

2016 middle order was significantly stronger than 2018 and even then some of us thought it was too top heavy and that Watson/Rahul/Mandeep should open with Gayle, followed by Kohli and AB at 3 and 4.

 

 

 

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It's not the batting.

RCB has had...

 

Gayle

Rahul

Kohli

AB

Jadhav

 

...In the past and they proved that batting isn't enough.

 

It's something with RCB and bowlers..no matter whom they pick...there always seems to be a hole left.

 

Strac kept getting injured.

Mills proved useless

NCN injured.

They could never expoilt Badree.

Watson was useless with the ball.

They tried wiese,shamsi etc but all were mediocre at best.

Every team has that one good Indian bowler and RCB didn't.

 

The pivot around which RCB centered their bowling always came loose.

 

 

 

 

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RCB main problem with their team is they play  in Bangalore which is great batting pitch with short boundaries  so batsmen with less cailbre then Kohli and ABD  can score runs  easily  and also their bowling lacks variation 

 

I think for RCB to be successful specially in Bangalore they need pick a bowler with more variation and batsmen who are good at hitting  on true pitch its good for batting or else try and prepare pitch such that it offers something to bowlers so and as RCB top 4 should be able to handle swing etc while other teams which don't  such skilled top order may struggle. 

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11 hours ago, philcric said:

 

Not necessarily. It depends on team composition and relative strengths of batsmen in the team.

 

In 2007, Yuvi was arguably our best T20 bat, and he batted at #5.

 

 

Errr wrong yuvraj batted at 4

That was South africa this is India , the games yuvraj scorred was in durban where their was movement with pace early on so it got better after few overs. 

 

And yuvraj was always a middle order batsman , u look at ipl stats most in top 10 are top 3 batsman 

11 hours ago, philcric said:

Easy with the CAPS please.

 

A lot of 'proper batsmen' do bat at 4 and 5 in other teams ... Rohit and Pollard for MI, Rana and DK for KKR, Yuvi and Finch for KXIP, Billings and Dhoni for CSK etc.

Rohit scored yesterday when he came in 1st over itself 

CSK n KKR have depth in batting rcb doesnt 

11 hours ago, philcric said:

 

The theory of 'best batsman should get more balls' is flawed because more often than not these batsmen do get out in between, and if they do get out early in the piece it may be game over.

Thats a defensive strategy , u dnt plan for failures

11 hours ago, philcric said:

It's also about effective use of your resources. Some batsmen don't have the game for middle order because of lack of power etc but may do well at the top because of new ball and fielding restrictions. They also can bat freely with the assurance that best batsmen in the team are there to take control should you get out.

Kohli game is much suited for top order then the names u mentioned above 

11 hours ago, philcric said:

 

There's no guarantee a certain strategy will definitely work. So far, RCB went with playing all their aces up front. It hasn't worked. It hasn't worked last year as well. And when it doesn't work you are out of the game very early in the piece. They need to change. They need to be in the game for longer periods while batting. You may not win the game by bat in the first 8 overs but you can certainly lose it.

 

thats strategy worked in 2016 and thats their best chance , other wise the team is a problem in itself at best u can do is give ur best player more balls as they will score more runs

 

simple either give 120 balls to manan or kohli n ask urself who ll score more, manan wont even survive 120 balls 

Why on earth will someone give kohli n abdv 20-25 balls

11 hours ago, philcric said:

In 2016 ...

Gayle

Kohli

ABDV

Watson

Rahul

Mandeep / Sarfaraz / Sachin Baby

Kohli batted at top n made 900+ runs and abdv also around 600 and they both took the teams to final

Watson failed in middle 

Rahul scored in few 

 

But it was kohli n abdv show, coz they got more balls 

11 hours ago, philcric said:

In 2018 ...

DeKock

Kohli

ABDV

Mandeep

C Anderson / P Negi :facepalm:

Sarfaraz

 

2016 middle order was significantly stronger than 2018 and even then some of us thought it was too top heavy and that Watson/Rahul/Mandeep should open with Gayle, followed by Kohli and AB at 3 and 4.

 

Kohli has opened in one game only 

 

strategies are made looking at ur own team not the other teams. This team has lot of issue best is give ur top player max bowls coz only they will win u games 

 

yesterday also kohli scored 92, others failed so why change kohli position he scored runs

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This year is done n dusted...

 

Kohli is more interested n concentrating on England tour...

 

Wish Mallya was the owner.. if not for the cup, atleast there was some brilliant victories & fighting performance..

 

Now, its like mark the attendance and collect the pay check for the players n the management....

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11 hours ago, TheWall said:

This year is done n dusted...

 

Kohli is more interested n concentrating on England tour...

 

Wish Mallya was the owner.. if not for the cup, atleast there was some brilliant victories & fighting performance..

 

Now, its like mark the attendance and collect the pay check for the players n the management....

Seriously???

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Same old story. Need a major overhaul of this team. AB, Umesh the only consistent performers in this team. Siraj and Mandeep were ok. Chahal didn't pick up a lot of wickets. Kohli, Southee, CDG, Parthiv, Ali were inconsistent. Sundar, Sarfu, Kock, Baz were poor. Too many passengers. 

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