US-UK-France launch military strikes on Syria

[Stradlater]

Might escalate into something real big if Russians and Iranians decide to involve themselves.

World War three anyone?

[velu]

us is safe and they mentioned that they did everything to avoid "foreign" casualties 

[Green Monster]

Fake chemical attacks as excuse to continue imperialism 

[Tattieboy]

6 minutes ago, Green Monster said:

Fake chemical attacks as excuse to continue imperialism 

You know they were fake because?

[Tattieboy]

5 minutes ago, Green Monster said:

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo?lang=en

follow this twitter account

When has she said they were fake chemical attacks?

Now it's maybe , maybe not ??....you said they were fake attacks !!

Were the other 33 confirmed chemical attacks over the last 5 years fake too?

 

 

[Tattieboy]

3 minutes ago, Green Monster said:

i said the same thing in the post above, maybe- maybe not...

 

33 "confirmed" attacks this NGO some others say 80+, while the government denies any are used. Sounds like you are believing what you want... 

I am not believing anything , I am challenging your statement ...fake chemical attacks as an excuse to continue imperialism. 

 

As your proof of being fake you give me a Lebanese woman on twitter who as far as I know has not said they were fake attacks 

[Stradlater]

Honestly now after watching the **** unfold over all these years, I am highly sceptical with regards to this supposed chemical attack.

America and her western allies are as bad as Russia and nobody is a saint here.

[wanted_desi]

Who is reporting these attacks? Why would govt. attack its own citizens when they know USA is looking for excuses to attack their country? 

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, wanted_desi said:

Who is reporting these attacks? Why would govt. attack its own citizens when they know USA is looking for excuses to attack their country? 

Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon all have a proven track record in attacking its own citizens on ethnic/religious lines.

The arab world is not a tolerant place. 
They have a long track record of ruling via fear & oppression. 

[Alam_dar]

3 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon all have a proven track record in attacking its own citizens on ethnic/religious lines.

The arab world is not a tolerant place. 
They have a long track record of ruling via fear & oppression. 

In this case, it is not the problem of "ruling". 

Syrian Government has already been winning the fight against Jaish-ul-Islam and other Jihadist. There was absolutely no need of any Chemical attack at this moment from their side. 

 

You see, the opposition claimed that 17 to 60 people died in the chemical attack. But it is nothing when we compare it to the normal attacks by the government which killed 230+ (Jihadists+normal people) in one day. 

Therefore, government doesn't need to use any chemical bomb as it has all the means to achieve it's objectives without it. 

 

Even General Mad Dog Mattis himself confessed that US had no prove except from the media and the social media (I hope you have seen his confession before the attack). 

 

Track record of the western countries is also not good when we already saw how they fabricated such false claims about Chemical weapons in Iraq. 

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

44 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

In this case, it is not the problem of "ruling". 

Syrian Government has already been winning the fight against Jaish-ul-Islam and other Jihadist. There was absolutely no need of any Chemical attack at this moment from their side. 

 

You see, the opposition claimed that 17 to 60 people died in the chemical attack. But it is nothing when we compare it to the normal attacks by the government which killed 230+ (Jihadists+normal people) in one day. 

Therefore, government doesn't need to use any chemical bomb as it has all the means to achieve it's objectives without it. 

 

Even General Mad Dog Mattis himself confessed that US had no prove except from the media and the social media (I hope you have seen his confession before the attack). 

 

Track record of the western countries is also not good when we already saw how they fabricated such false claims about Chemical weapons in Iraq. 

 

The usage of chemical weapons is definite cause of concern.

Also, Syria has used chemical weapons in the past during the ongoing conflict. You see, its a matter of given operational urgency and Syria's rather barebone ammunition situation.

 

While the western powers have not been transparent in searching for a casus belli for war, in this case, the war is ongoing, they've already supported a section of the opposition- financially & militarily, so they do not require a manufactured reason to enter the war. 

 

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Also, Syria has used chemical weapons in the past during the ongoing conflict. 

There are doubts even about the previous uses. Both the parties have access to the sarin gas and it is absolutely not difficult to stage a drama. 

Despite, Syiran armed forces fought very very bitter fights against ISIS (10 times more bitter than rest all of the opposition). But not even a single time Syrian forces used any chemical bomb against ISIS. 

The chemical bomb comes into action ONLY why Syrian forces fight against the non-ISIS Jihadists who are supported by US/Saudia/Turkey, who all have access to the chemical bombs.

 

 

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While the western powers have not been transparent in searching for a casus belli for war, in this case, the war is ongoing, they've already supported a section of the opposition- financially & militarily, so they do not require a manufactured reason to enter the war. 

Syria is supported by Russia/China. It is not easy for the Western countries to directly involve in war with Russia, while their own western populations are against any involvement in direct war. 

 

Therefore, only choice left for the western countries was to support the opposition. But again they got the problem while only opposition present was consisted of Islamist Jihadists which again US could not have directly support. While the Syrian Christians and Moderates and Liberals all are standing on the side of Assad. 

 

And perhaps the objective of US is not to topple the Asad government, and to bring  the Jihadists in the government. But the objective is only to make Assad government weak so that Syria could be no danger to Israel. This could be easily achieved by defaming Assad and Russia by blaming them for the chemical attacks. 

 

And lastly, US could have waited for the report of the  Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which were already in the Douma. At moment US got no solid proof as has been accepted by General Mattis. 

 

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

There are doubts even about the previous uses. Both the parties have access to the sarin gas and it is absolutely not difficult to stage a drama. 

Despite, Syiran armed forces fought very very bitter fights against ISIS (10 times more bitter than rest all of the opposition). But not even a single time Syrian forces used any chemical bomb against ISIS. 

The chemical bomb comes into action ONLY why Syrian forces fight against the non-ISIS Jihadists who are supported by US/Saudia/Turkey, who all have access to the chemical bombs.

 

 

Please substantiate the bolded part. 

 

5 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Syria is supported by Russia/China. It is not easy for the Western countries to directly involve in war with Russia, while their own western populations are against any involvement in direct war. 

I dont buy this angle at all. The western countries are not interested in a war with Russia or Russian proxies. 

 

5 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Therefore, only choice left for the western countries was to support the opposition. But again they got the problem while only opposition present was consisted of Islamist Jihadists which again US could not have directly support. While the Syrian Christians and Moderates and Liberals all are standing on the side of Assad. 

If this was about Russia, the western countries would've gotten far more involved in Ukraine- which matters to Russia far more than Syria. 

5 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

And perhaps the objective of US is not to topple the Asad government, and to bring  the Jihadists in the government. But the objective is only to make Assad government weak so that Syria could be no danger to Israel. This could be easily achieved by defaming Assad and Russia by blaming them for the chemical attacks. 

Syria, even before the war, was no threat to Israel. Israel has already proved that their military is far superior to that of the Arab nations. 

 

[Alam_dar]

5 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Please substantiate the bolded part. 

Sarin and Cholorine gases are not difficult to manufacture and all countries like Turkey/Saudia have this ability. Then there were stock piles of these chemical gases present in Libya which were looted by the Jihadists after they killed Qadafi. And there is many reports that weapons and gases from Libya were exported to Syria and given to the Jihadists. 

 

Therefore, both parties had access to the gasses. 

And as a matter of fact, no one could tell with certainty which side used the chemical bomb. 

But external arguments go in the favour of the Syrian forces as they fought bitter and very bloody wars against ISIS but never used any chemical bombs. But whenever it comes to the US/Saudi/Turkey backed Jihadists, then such dramas of chemical bombs occurred suddenly (and that too when Assad forces had almost won the wars). And then in a situation where Russia and Iran are able to provide a lot of ammunition which is enough to kill the 100 times more Jihadists as compared to the chemical weapons. 

Syrian forces already killed several hundred Jihadists using the normal deadly ammunition, and it was absolutely not needed for them to kill 200-300 people (in total) using the chemical bombs. 

  

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I dont buy this angle at all. The western countries are not interested in a war with Russia or Russian proxies.

I don't believe that the governments of the western countries are angels. 

While the western people are different from the western government. 

And indeed the normal western people don't want any war with Russia or even in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran. 

 

But the present Republican government of US, with Trump as president, John Bolton as advisor, Pompeo as secretary of state, and then McCain also there .... they indeed want to wage wars and also to become the sole Super power in the world. 

 

All analysts are telling that US and Russia are in state of cold war at moment. 

 

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If this was about Russia, the western countries would've gotten far more involved in Ukraine- which matters to Russia far more than Syria. 

Not so easy against Russia. 

US and Trump even have to come to the back foot in front of Kim of North Korea, then what to talk about the Russia. 

 

 

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Syria, even before the war, was no threat to Israel. Israel has already proved that their military is far superior to that of the Arab nations. 

Syria, with help of Iran and then Hizbullah, was indeed showing a resistance against Israel. 

Hizbullah even succeeded in taking back the southern Lebanon areas back from Israel. 

And Syria also wanted the Golan back. 

 

The Jewish mindset and the Greater Israel:

Religion has not only spoiled the Muslims, but it also brainwashed the jews too. 

Zionists were offered the land in Uganda, but they refused to have a state there. They told that Jews could only have a state in Israel while this is the land which their God "promised" them. 

 

Therefore, against all odds, Zionists formed their state in this promised land. 

 

Nevertheless, problem is this that the land which Jewish God "promised" them is far far more than the present Israel and it consists of Sina of Egypt, whole Jordan, Syria and half of Iraq (known as "Greater Israel"). 

 

Therefore, the intentions of the Zionists are clear when they speak about the "promised" land. They talk openly about Greater Israel. And at the present pace, it is only a matter of time till they succeed in achieving this dream. 

[Muloghonto]

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Sarin and Cholorine gases are not difficult to manufacture and all countries like Turkey/Saudia have this ability. Then there were stock piles of these chemical gases present in Libya which were looted by the Jihadists after they killed Qadafi. And there is many reports that weapons and gases from Libya were exported to Syria and given to the Jihadists. 

Is there any evidence of it or just idle speculation ?

 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Therefore, both parties had access to the gasses. 

And as a matter of fact, no one could tell with certainty which side used the chemical bomb. 

If previous quote can be demonstrated true, then you are correct. 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

But external arguments go in the favour of the Syrian forces as they fought bitter and very bloody wars against ISIS but never used any chemical bombs. But whenever it comes to the US/Saudi/Turkey backed Jihadists, then such dramas of chemical bombs occurred suddenly (and that too when Assad forces had almost won the wars). And then in a situation where Russia and Iran are able to provide a lot of ammunition which is enough to kill the 100 times more Jihadists as compared to the chemical weapons. 

Syrian forces already killed several hundred Jihadists using the normal deadly ammunition, and it was absolutely not needed for them to kill 200-300 people (in total) using the chemical bombs. 

What you say has merit. However, it is not about the # of people killed, its about theater. If for eg, Syrian forces found the chemically bombed area extremely difficult to capture without serious artillery/air-bombardment , a chemical bomb becomes an operational viability. Whereas 2,000 people in the open fighting the Syrian army does not necessarily require a chemical bomb. 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

  

I don't believe that the governments of the western countries are angels. 

They are not. However, they are the best of the lot. 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

While the western people are different from the western government. 

And indeed the normal western people don't want any war with Russia or even in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran. 

 

But the present Republican government of US, with Trump as president, John Bolton as advisor, Pompeo as secretary of state, and then McCain also there .... they indeed want to wage wars and also to become the sole Super power in the world. 

Err, nobody in the US government wants a war with Russia. Thats naive to think. 

US desire for lone-power world is there, however, screwing with Russia is not on the agenda there. The eye is firmly fixed on China, make no mistake. 

 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

All analysts are telling that US and Russia are in state of cold war at moment. 

Sure. A few western cold-war-esque blunders in the past has shoved Putin in the arms of China further. However, neither side are stupid enough to escalate to a doomsday scenrio. Russia can still blow up every corner of the US and vice versa, dooming mankind. 

 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Not so easy against Russia. 

US and Trump even have to come to the back foot in front of Kim of North Korea, then what to talk about the Russia. 

Everyone antagonistic to N.Korea and friendly with S.Korea is on the backfoot with N.Korea. That is the geo-strategic reality. Simply because while the US can crush N.Korea at whim, no-one on the planet can save Seoul getting devastated in N.Korea's demise. And N.Koreans are not stupid, they fully know this too and exploit any antagonist who does not want to see Seoul go up in a puff of smoke. 

 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Syria, with help of Iran and then Hizbullah, was indeed showing a resistance against Israel. 

Nonsense. Israel does not want to conquer Syria. They are happy sitting menacingly at Golan Heights. And Syria pre-war was in no position whatsoever to threaten Israeli military. 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Hizbullah even succeeded in taking back the southern Lebanon areas back from Israel. 

Lets not go overboard here. Israel decieded S.Lebanon was too costly to maintain under military occupation. They still only lost a few hundred soldiers out of thousands in the whole process. Heabollah lost many more. It was a strategic failure of Israel in S.Lebanon, not tactical (ie, military). 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

And Syria also wanted the Golan back. 

They are never going to get it and they were in no position whatsoever to force the issue either. 

 

6 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

The Jewish mindset and the Greater Israel:

Religion has not only spoiled the Muslims, but it also brainwashed the jews too. 

Zionists were offered the land in Uganda, but they refused to have a state there. They told that Jews could only have a state in Israel while this is the land which their God "promised" them. 

 

Therefore, against all odds, Zionists formed their state in this promised land. 

 

Nevertheless, problem is this that the land which Jewish God "promised" them is far far more than the present Israel and it consists of Sina of Egypt, whole Jordan, Syria and half of Iraq (known as "Greater Israel"). 

 

Therefore, the intentions of the Zionists are clear when they speak about the "promised" land. They talk openly about Greater Israel. And at the present pace, it is only a matter of time till they succeed in achieving this dream. 

This is more or less overblown narrative of the Arabs/anti-zionists. 
You know how i know this ? Because i actually know Zionists. 

Do they care about what 'Gods promised land to them' was ? Sure- but they are not idiots - Zionists tend to be highly educated folks. They are firmly fixated on West Bank. Then Jordan. And then comes the rest. In that order. Israel is not going to conquer anywhere - not unless it quite literally falls into its lap due to other geopolitical wrangling - until it has completely assimilated west bank. 
Unfortunately for them, Arabs breed faster than them and they are losing the demographic battle in west bank. They are not stupid enough to try and conquer more muslims into the fold, before they have atleast driven away/subsumed the Palestinians and use the relatively fertile lands of Jordan valley to increase their numbers. 

 

[Alam_dar]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Is there any evidence of it or just idle speculation ?

Clearly no intelligence agency is going to provide proofs that it exported weapons and chemical bombs to another country. But we all know that Jihadists were using all the Libyan weapons. 

What to talk about the weapons, there is even no evidence on record that Saudi Arabia or Turkey gave a single dollar to the Jihadist groups. 

 

Even the ISIS got the chemical weapons too and used 52 times in Syria and Iraq. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/world/middleeast/isis-chemical-weapons-syria-iraq-mosul.html

 

 

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

What you say has merit. However, it is not about the # of people killed, its about theater. If for eg, Syrian forces found the chemically bombed area extremely difficult to capture without serious artillery/air-bombardment , a chemical bomb becomes an operational viability. Whereas 2,000 people in the open fighting the Syrian army does not necessarily require a chemical bomb. 

The chemical bombs brought 0% military advantage to the Syrian forces. According to the opposition, they were dropped in 100% residential areas. One upon a bakery and other was too in the residential area. All the casualties were only the civilians and the children. No report of any Jihadist being killed in the attack.

 

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This is more or less overblown narrative of the Arabs/anti-zionists. 
You know how i know this ? Because i actually know Zionists. 

Do they care about what 'Gods promised land to them' was ? Sure- but they are not idiots - Zionists tend to be highly educated folks. They are firmly fixated on West Bank. Then Jordan. And then comes the rest. In that order. Israel is not going to conquer anywhere - not unless it quite literally falls into its lap due to other geopolitical wrangling - until it has completely assimilated west bank. 
Unfortunately for them, Arabs breed faster than them and they are losing the demographic battle in west bank. They are not stupid enough to try and conquer more muslims into the fold, before they have atleast driven away/subsumed the Palestinians and use the relatively fertile lands of Jordan valley to increase their numbers.

 

 

It is difficult for me to believe in moderate Muslims while no one could bet about the religious people. Unfortunately, people of other religions are not so much different when it comes to the religious mentality. 

 

Slowly,  but gradually Zionists are indeed working for the completion of the promise that god made with them. They don't support the 2 nation solution and want to keep whole Palestine now, including whole Jerusalem and the Jewish settlements. Their argument for Jerusalem is once again the same that god promised this city to them and they are the only heirs   of this city. 

 

Birth rates is also becoming meaningless while in 2017 birth rates of Muslims and Jews have come closer. 

 

• Total: 21.3 births/1,000 population
• Jews and others: 20.5 births/1,000 population
• Muslims: 24.6 births/1,000 population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Birth_rate

 

And when time comes, then off course Zionists will find any excuse to handle the demographic issues as they have up till now also always found excuses for their expansion from the 1948 borders. 

Just look at their expansion:

 

 

 

 

 

[Alam_dar]

US and France claimed that they destroyed all the remaining stockpile of Russian chemical weapons. 

But  no one has been infected with chemicals around the sites that was bombed on the pretext of keeping chemical weapons!
Anybody knows why?

 

Therefore, it seems to me a false claim by US/France/UK. Either they failed to destroy the stockpile, or Syria got absolutely no stockpile. 

 

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According to the Russian sources, 103 missiles were fired (along with some more decoys). And 71 missiles out of them were intercepted by the old Soviet Era air defence systems of Syria. 

 

Only areas missiles breached were Mezzeh military airport, Hom's military airport, Hardest hit was Barzah science facility and Jarmani residential area 30 missiles launched only 7 intercepted.

 

 

 

[Alam_dar]

One more important fact. 

Not only Trump didn't waited for the report of the experts from OPCW (who were already there on 14th April), but also the Barzah Scientific Facility (which was the prime target by US) had already been inspected by the OPCW twice and they cleared this facility from any of the chemical weapons. 

Source: Syrian Ambassador in UN

 

 

[randomGuy]

Assad is a fantastic leader imo to command his army against USA, turkey, isis. His people are just 10-20% of his country who belong to the tolerant and secular front. The US n its allies should really be ashamed of themselves. They are directly responsible for all the bloodshed.

[velu]

this attack is more like a token attack ..

 

middle east and arab world was better with saddam , gadaffi kind of dictators .. west and russia screwed them in their proxy war