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Kohli's captaincy is the reason for RCB's poor show every IPL

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Royal Challengers Bangalore will never ever win the IPL trophy under Captain Kohli. This guy just doesn't have it in him to be a good captain in LOI's like his RCB teammate De Villiers. The best players don't necessarily make the best captains. 

I am not a Dhoni bhakt like @velu or @Shunya and I know a lot of members of this forum dislike Dhoni but even they have to admit that he is a superior captain in LOI's than Kohli in every aspect. Unfortunately for Kohli, he doesn't have MSD to hide behind like he does while playing for Team India. 

RCB have had players such as Gayle, AB, Starc, Chahal, Yuvraj, Karthik (Best Indian WK-Bat in T20 cricket) and Kohli himself all in the same XI yet they still kept flopping. In fact, Other than Chahal, RCB hasn't developed even 1 youngster that could play for the national team.

Other teams like MI (Bumrah, Hardik, Rayudu), KKR (Pandey, Kuldeep, Umesh), CSK (Raina, Ashwin, Jadeja) have done a great job with their young Indian talent and were a key factor in helping them play for Team India. I see nothing of this kind happening from the RCB camp! 

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2 minutes ago, BeardedAladdin said:

 

You need good Indian players to win the IPL. Only 4 foreigners can play, so even if your foreigners hit, you'll lose if your Indian players aren't very good.

 

Historically, RCB hasn't had many good Indian players, outside of Kohli himself.

 

To be honest, they haven't had many good foreign players either. Gayle and AB were the only good ones.

That's why I am saying that RCB doesn't know how to develop its Indian players the same way MI or KKR do. 

Actually, you don't even have to look towards those teams. Just flashback to last year and remember how Pune groomed it's 3 youngsters in Sundar, Tripathi and Unadkat. They were only 1 run away from lifting the trophy but it was because of these 3 young men that Pune had an amazing IPL 2017. If Pune can mould their young guns, then why can't RCB? 

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10 minutes ago, velu said:

they had Rahul and they let him go .. most of their problems might have solved if they retained him instead of SK :rotfl:

 

1 batsman can't change anything if the captaincy is substandard. 

Even today, MI should never have made 200+ after losing 2 wickets in the first over. Little things like not giving Umesh a third over or bowling Chahal right after the PP ended came back to haunt them. 

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6 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

1 batsman can't change anything if the captaincy is substandard. 

Even today, MI should never have made 200+ after losing 2 wickets in the first over. Little things like not giving Umesh a third over or bowling Chahal right after the PP ended came back to haunt them. 

one of the main problem is rcb lacks a balanced team and top heavy .. with a player like rahul , they can atleast solve their top heavy problem by shuffling their top heavy batting order

kohli will still find a way to screw the team  though 

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The team is poorly assembled. Virat being the captain must take on some responsibility for poor team selections.Captaincy is also poor.You don't scream on players and get frustrated on fielding mistakes of cricketers.He himself has dropped so many catches in slip.He should be the last one to complain about dropped catches.He is a total kiddo - very impatient, very hot headed, too full of himself, bad at strategies before auctions.Have to say though that he is definitely the best performing batsman this IPL.However, too many negatives for other aspects of being as important person in think tank.

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31 minutes ago, velu said:

one of the main problem is rcb lacks a balanced team and top heavy .. with a player like rahul , they can atleast solve their top heavy problem by shuffling their top heavy batting order

kohli will still find a way to screw the team  though 

Seeing the way Virat is treating him in T20i, Test and ODI formats, Rahul would prefer to play for 11 crores for Punjab than play for 12 crores fro RCB. Why play under a captain who is killing the career of such a performing player in all forms. In fact Rahul is likely to get raise when he gets retained before next auctions.Atleast Sehawag and Ashwin are giving him the right spot and right player management.

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TBH RCB has fragile inexperienced middle order specially after AB gets out no 5,6,7 positions struggle to score runs. I guess they need to change the batting order. AB should bat no 6 with tailender and perform finishers role. Opposition teams know only 1st four wickets to be taken of RCB to win the match. Promote a inexperience batsmen at no4; and 5 to play with Kohli. They also learn to absorb pressure. Also Im not happy about bowling changes Kohli does. He needs more versatile bowlers. Bowling costed them last two games. Chahal should bring in inside power play to get more wickets.

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Its ok, lets just move on with Kohli the captain. Give AB a shot while he is there. So far it looks like RCB is content with playing superstar XI and raking in moolah without any accountability. Been like this for years now.

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53 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Its ok, lets just move on with Kohli the captain. Give AB a shot while he is there. So far it looks like RCB is content with playing superstar XI and raking in moolah without any accountability. Been like this for years now.

Treating this more like a business model, which IPL actually is. Make profit, no matter cup is won or not as long as franchisees's financial objectives are met?

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2 hours ago, Shunya said:

Its ok, lets just move on with Kohli the captain. Give AB a shot while he is there. So far it looks like RCB is content with playing superstar XI and raking in moolah without any accountability. Been like this for years now.

if that was the case, they would not have let go Gayle that easily.

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2 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Treating this more like a business model, which IPL actually is. Make profit, no matter cup is won or not as long as franchisees's financial objectives are met?

Well if your first objective is out of reach, obviously as a business owner you will atleast try to achieve 2nd objective. No?

 

In any case, Kohli has been captaining RCB since 6 years now. They have got so many good/great players in these 6 years and still could not achieve their primary objective. Its time to move on from Kohli if this season is gone too, but it seems impossible with the brand value he brings.

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3 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Well if your first objective is out of reach, obviously as a business owner you will atleast try to achieve 2nd objective. No?

 

In any case, Kohli has been captaining RCB since 6 years now. They have got so many good/great players in these 6 years and still could not achieve their primary objective. Its time to move on from Kohli if this season is gone too, but it seems impossible with the brand value he brings.

even CSK has not won after 2011.

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Kohli's captaincy is not the only reason

Coaching staff - i mean what are they doing....they sit at auction table 

Talent scouts- hai bhi kya 

 

for years they knw they have kohli n abdv and they have to make team around them and they play at chinnaswamy which means 7 games on patta + wankhade + mohali so they play almost 9-10 games on patta so bowlers had to be picked acc to that 

 

Eg aniket.c has been picked in last 2 season but he is not a LOI bowler and u pick for chinnaswamy :facepalm:Test match men aus ke against khilana tha waha to khialaya nhin

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13 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

if that was the case, they would not have let go Gayle that easily.

Unko dekh ke to aisa hi lagta hai bhai ke they are satisfied with stars playing in their team regardless of result. One less in Gayle makes no difference to the brand value. 

Immense amount of support from fans despite not winning anything. That says there is no accountability wrt performance/leadership.

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9 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Unko dekh ke to aisa hi lagta hai bhai ke they are satisfied with stars playing in their team regardless of result. One less in Gayle makes no difference to the brand value. 

Immense amount of support from fans despite not winning anything. That says there is no accountability wrt performance/leadership.

but stars hai kahan except kohli and abdv.  

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3 hours ago, Shunya said:

Its ok, lets just move on with Kohli the captain. Give AB a shot while he is there. So far it looks like RCB is content with playing superstar XI and raking in moolah without any accountability. Been like this for years now.

not much of diff between him n kohli as captain 

 

The best guy to captain among their squad is bmac who doesnt warrant a place in team.  They shud look for indian middle order batsman option, guess what hanuma n unmukt were avl and were unsold . Kohli has a hard time trusting new players .....m sure kulwant wud have been highly backed by nehra .

Thats why kohli went to karthik, watson, yuvraj in previous season .........

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11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

not much of diff between him n kohli as captain 

 

The best guy to captain among their squad is bmac who doesnt warrant a place in team.  They shud look for indian middle order batsman option, guess what hanuma n unmukt were avl and were unsold . Kohli has a hard time trusting new players .....m sure kulwant wud have been highly backed by nehra .

Thats why kohli went to karthik, watson, yuvraj in previous season .........

would have loved to see transformed Vihari bat this season or even Manoj Tiwari would have done.  Sarfaraz ki poor form has hurt them big time.  Sarfaraz was someone who could play those unorthodox shots, clear ropes easily and score 25-30 ball 50s. but he is seriously out of touch.

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42 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

but stars hai kahan except kohli and abdv.  

Maybe not this year... only few of them left...but cannot deny RCB has been a starstudden team all these years. Its just that they are not able to come together and win matches as a team. 

AB and Kohli are considered the top 2 batsman of their era, imagine Sachin and Lara playing together in 90s. But I dunno whether they are held accountable for the results as much as they are revered. That is something that is missing from RCB compared to others. 

They have to reach playoffs at the least this year or else Kohli needs to go.

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Where is Southee. Heard he has not yet reached India?

 

If RCB is going to take CDG instead of Corey, they can replace Woakes with Southee even though Woakes

has many wickets (also leaked lot of runs)

 

Sunder, QDK, Vrat, ABD, Mandeep, CDG, Negi, Southee, Chahal, Umesh, Siraj

 

 

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Even if you give a team of 11 stars he will still mess this up.  The guy is just clueless. 

 

Moeen  

Mandeep 

virat  

Sarfaraz

AB

Anderson 

 

This is a simple fix for this lineup and I can bet they will win twice the number of matches virats  playing 11 can. 

 

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9 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

The way Dhoni and Virat have handled Watson way batting position is very different. No wonder Watto is batting like one of the best batsman this season.

Problem is, they had KL and Gayle too. Plus the pitch was slow paced last season. Don’t think Twatson would have fired at the top. 

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I feel they were ruined by Starc. They bought him originally expecting him to spearhead their attack, but every year he was either injured or skipped to IPL to prepare for Tests. He is/was one of the best yorker bowlers in the world. He was supposed to save their death bowling. They never invested in another true death bowler.

 

They have some decent bowlers like Umya and Chahal, but noone who can carry the burden of the death overs. Every team needs to play at least 1 specialist bowler who is specialized for the death overs.

 

The problem is there is a shortage of good death over bowlers. The IPL teams need to invest in buying Indian bowlers n the auction and using their bowling coaches to develop them over a few seasons, then retain them at auction. That's the only way every team can have a good death bowler.

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3 minutes ago, Moochad said:

I feel they were ruined by Starc. They bought him originally expecting him to spearhead their attack, but every year he was either injured or skipped to IPL to prepare for Tests. He is/was one of the best yorker bowlers in the world. He was supposed to save their death bowling. They never invested in another true death bowler.

 

They have some decent bowlers like Umya and Chahal, but noone who can carry the burden of the death overs. Every team needs to play at least 1 specialist bowler who is specialized for the death overs.

 

The problem is there is a shortage of good death over bowlers. The IPL teams need to invest in buying Indian bowlers n the auction and using their bowling coaches to develop them over a few seasons, then retain them at auction. That's the only way every team can have a good death bowler.

RCBs problem was never bowling,  bit their batting . They have never invested on young talents.  Except for virat  no Indian player has been persisted . 

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9 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

RCBs problem was never bowling,  bit their batting . They have never invested on young talents.  Except for virat  no Indian player has been persisted . 

I agree that they don't have many good Indian batsmen, but even when they do they let them go, cough KL RAhul cough, but I think they are always chasing big totals, so it makes their batsmen look worse. If you are chasing 200 every match, you are bound to lose more often than not. 

 

I think they bowl well for most of the match, but loose their heads at the death portions, when a in control total becomes huge.

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Kohli shud resign as captain next season, or else RCB shud forget dreaming about winning IPL

Dnt knw a single captain in IPL who kept his captaincy despite being such a poor captain for years

 

If kohli-vettori hasnt been able to address their teams issues which have remain same despite having auction every year well they shud try a new coach-captain combo 

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There is no need to weaken their batting in the process. I think the batting unit they fielded yesterday is their strongest, they just need to find a good mix of bowlers from their squad. This would also work,

 

Moeen

Kock

Kohli

AB

Mandeep

Anderson

Sundar

Yadav

Saini

Chahal

Siraj / Kejroliya

 

3 spinners, 4 pacers. 

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There is no need to weaken their batting in the process. I think the batting unit they fielded yesterday is their strongest, they just need to find a good mix of bowlers from their squad. This would also work,
 
Moeen
Kock
Kohli
AB
Mandeep
Anderson
Sundar
Yadav
Saini
Chahal
Siraj / Kejroliya
 
3 spinners, 4 pacers. 

Anderson & Sundar don’t need to play anymore in this IPL... Everybody have seen enough of them...

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Dhoni was a great t20 captain unlike Kohli. Lets forget about SC investigations into operation of CSK and the doubt that surrounds the franchise and lets attributed any win they had to Dhoni's tactical genius. Can anyone tell me, where was MSD's tactical acumen during India's WT20 debacles of 2009, 2010 and 2012?

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21 minutes ago, asterix said:


Anderson & Sundar don’t need to play anymore in this IPL... Everybody have seen enough of them...

Why do you think so? :cantstop: Then who's going to replace them from their squad?

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7 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Dhoni was a great t20 captain unlike Kohli. Lets forget about SC investigations into operation of CSK and the doubt that surrounds the franchise and lets attributed any win they had to Dhoni's tactical genius. Can anyone tell me, where was MSD's tactical acumen during India's WT20 debacles of 2009, 2010 and 2012?

The magic only works when the team is strong otherwise the results resemble his batting. Mediocrity. 

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