Who would you say has been the most impressive Indian fast bowler this IPL?

[Shunya]

Umesh n Chahar the most standout this year.

[LordPrabhzy]

Umesh for sure... he needs to be selected for the ODI's in england and if he does well then for the tests too.

[Nikhil_cric]

Plenty to be happy about in terms of seeing the speeds of the bowlers available and the raw talent on show. Don't judge bowlers on the amount of runs given in T20's. They will do better in the longer formats and have the potential to improve further.

[nikred]

[Hyderabad bias]

I sincerely hope Siraj puts up better performances and becomes a regular in Indian team. Hyderabad players (I mean actual Hyderabadis not SRH players ) are hardly there in the Ipl scene let alone in the Indian team.

Last match though I wanted SRH to win, but deep down I was so happy Siraj pulled off a good last over.

[\Hyderabad bias]

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[Pollack]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Plenty to be happy about in terms of seeing the speeds of the bowlers available and the raw talent on show. Don't judge bowlers on the amount of runs given in T20's. They will do better in the longer formats and have the potential to improve further.

Siraj was expensive last IPL but still not the worst. At Internationals, he became canon fodder. These kids are cannon fodder even in IPL, they would be even more rubbish in Internationals at the moment. None of them is prepared it seems. Plenty of time for the kids to improve though. 

[Pollack]

6 hours ago, Shunya said:

Umesh n Chahar the most standout this year.

Chahar is thoroughly mediocre. I can bet all of ambanis money on that.

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Umesh and Mavi.

 

Siraj for some reason looks like a test bowler.

[rkt.india]

53 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Siraj was expensive last IPL but still not the worst. At Internationals, he became canon fodder. These kids are cannon fodder even in IPL, they would be even more rubbish in Internationals at the moment. None of them is prepared it seems. Plenty of time for the kids to improve though. 

Siraj did not bowl anywhere close to what he is bowling now. He was for sure overwhelmed in those T20 games he played.  Low in pace and poor in direction.

[rkt.india]

51 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Chahar is thoroughly mediocre. I can bet all of ambanis money on that.

 

why do you think so? He bowls at a decent pace and moves the ball around. No other bowler got swing yesterday but he did. He is probably the best swing bowler in the country, atm. Sandeep Sharma swings the ball too but has lost pace.  I would for sure take Chahar to England test tour. He is getting swing when others are not. BK and Chahar will form a good opening pair in England followed by Bumrah as the third bowler and genuine hit the deck fast bowler. Umesh can come in if we play 4 seamers. Shami is hopeless.

[Rightarmfast]

/\ You are being harsh on Shami. 

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

/\ You are being harsh on Shami. 

i have watched him bowl. He was rubbish in SA, rubbish this IPL too. 

[Mosher]

55 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

why do you think so? He bowls at a decent pace and moves the ball around. No other bowler got swing yesterday but he did. He is probably the best swing bowler in the country, atm. Sandeep Sharma swings the ball too but has lost pace.  I would for sure take Chahar to England test tour. He is getting swing when others are not. BK and Chahar will form a good opening pair in England followed by Bumrah as the third bowler and genuine hit the deck fast bowler. Umesh can come in if we play 4 seamers. Shami is hopeless.

With the way Umesh has been bowling it will be dumb to leave him out of the paying 11 in England. Kumar, Umesh, Bumrah will be my frontline pacers. Shami/Ishant will be the 4th pacer.

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, Mosher said:

With the way Umesh has been bowling it will be dumb to leave him out of the paying 11 in England. Kumar, Umesh, Bumrah will be my frontline pacers. Shami/Ishant will be the 4th pacer.

To be honest, Umesh and Shami are two bowlers I will never trust. Seen them enough. Umesh is fit but you never know which Umesh turns up on the given day. With Shami, he is unfit to bowl 20 overs in a day with intensity in 4-5 spells.  This showed in SA where he was brilliant in spells that improved his stats but largely lethargic and lacking intensity.  When the games were on the line, he kept disappointing.  Shami on SA tour was the biggest example of misleading stats.  His stats looks so good, but who saw him bowl will know he went missing at the most crucial times with his lack of intensity.  His fitness is a huge question mark.  He was a big disappointment last England tour too and issue was fitness and that issue still remains.  We will have to see how Umesh does in warm ups or ODIs.

[The Dark Horse]

31 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

To be honest, Umesh and Shami are two bowlers I will never trust. Seen them enough. Umesh is fit but you never know which Umesh turns up on the given day. With Shami, he is unfit to bowl 20 overs in a day with intensity in 4-5 spells.  This showed in SA where he was brilliant in spells that improved his stats but largely lethargic and lacking intensity.  When the games were on the line, he kept disappointing.  Shami on SA tour was the biggest example of misleading stats.  His stats looks so good, but who saw him bowl will know he went missing at the most crucial times with his lack of intensity.  His fitness is a huge question mark.  He was a big disappointment last England tour too and issue was fitness and that issue still remains.  We will have to see how Umesh does in warm ups or ODIs.

At least Umesh has a future, Shami is done.

[Mosher]

40 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

To be honest, Umesh and Shami are two bowlers I will never trust. Seen them enough. Umesh is fit but you never know which Umesh turns up on the given day. With Shami, he is unfit to bowl 20 overs in a day with intensity in 4-5 spells.  This showed in SA where he was brilliant in spells that improved his stats but largely lethargic and lacking intensity.  When the games were on the line, he kept disappointing.  Shami on SA tour was the biggest example of misleading stats.  His stats looks so good, but who saw him bowl will know he went missing at the most crucial times with his lack of intensity.  His fitness is a huge question mark.  He was a big disappointment last England tour too and issue was fitness and that issue still remains.  We will have to see how Umesh does in warm ups or ODIs.

I agree with you that Umesh can be inconsistent and will be a risk but only for LOI's. Tests am not so worried as he will have a bit of a cushion and will have a chance to make a comeback if he bowls a poor spell. I will pick him for his ability to swing the new and old ball. He has the fitness to not lose intensity and start trundling in later spells. Don't know how Chahar will bowl with a older ball.  

[express bowling]

51 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

To be honest, Umesh and Shami are two bowlers I will never trust. Seen them enough. Umesh is fit but you never know which Umesh turns up on the given day. With Shami, he is unfit to bowl 20 overs in a day with intensity in 4-5 spells.  This showed in SA where he was brilliant in spells that improved his stats but largely lethargic and lacking intensity.  When the games were on the line, he kept disappointing.  Shami on SA tour was the biggest example of misleading stats.  His stats looks so good, but who saw him bowl will know he went missing at the most crucial times with his lack of intensity.  His fitness is a huge question mark.  He was a big disappointment last England tour too and issue was fitness and that issue still remains.  We will have to see how Umesh does in warm ups or ODIs.

 

Shami was under a lot of mental tension during the S.A. tour, due to the brewing tensions with his wife. His lack of intensity in spells must have been due to that.

 

Despite this, he went on to become the highest wicket-taker on that tour... which speaks volumes about his ability. 

 

Bumrah was the only pacer on our side who maintaned intensity in most spells in the tests in SA. 

 

If we use a new pacer like Chahar in tests in England then there is still a lot of chance that he will lose intensity in subsequent spells. His ability to bowl 20 overs a day with intensity is unknown. ( Saini is the only uncapped pacer about whom we are sure that he can maintain intensity ).

 

I agree with @Mosher bro that Bumrah, Bhuvi and Umesh will be the best 3 pacers for England tests based on current form. ( Shami's mental state is the issue here and not his lack of dependability )

 

I would prefer playing 4 proper pacers in England, like the last SA  test.

 

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by express bowling

[Mosher]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I agree with @Mosher bro that Bumrah, Bhuvi and Umesh will be the best 3 pacers for England tests based on current form. ( Shami's mental state is the issue here and not his lack of dependability )

 

I would prefer playing 4 proper pacers in England, like the last SA  test.

Bro I think Ishant will be in the playing 11 because of his "county" experience in place of Bumrah/Umesh. Our bowling attack will most likely be Bhuvi, Ishant, Bumrah/Umesh, Pandya, spinner. 

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, Mosher said:

Bro I think Ishant will be in the playing 11 because of his "county" experience in place of Bumrah/Umesh. Our bowling attack will most likely be Bhuvi, Ishant, Bumrah/Umesh, Pandya, spinner. 

 

Yes, there is a possibility of that.

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

i have watched him bowl. He was rubbish in SA, rubbish this IPL too. 

Naah, he wasnt rubbish. He was not at his best, still performed pretty well.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Shami was under a lot of mental tension during the S.A. tour, due to the brewing tensions with his wife. His lack of intensity in spells must have been due to that.

 

Despite this, he went on to become the highest wicket-taker on that tour... which speaks volumes about his ability. 

 

Bumrah was the only pacer on our side who maintaned intensity in most spells in the tests in SA. 

 

If we use a new pacer like Chahar in tests in England then there is still a lot of chance that he will lose intensity in subsequent spells. His ability to bowl 20 overs a day with intensity is unknown. ( Saini is the only uncapped pacer about whom we are sure that he can maintain intensity ).

 

I agree with @Mosher bro that Bumrah, Bhuvi and Umesh will be the best 3 pacers for England tests based on current form. ( Shami's mental state is the issue here and not his lack of dependability )

 

I would prefer playing 4 proper pacers in England, like the last SA  test.

 

 

Shami's stats on SA tour were misleading. He went missing every time, you needed him to take wickets and mostly took wickets when game was practically over for us. You want bowlers who delivers at the right time. Consistency is key to test bowling. Even BK does not bowl with intensity throughout the test but because he hits consistent areas, he is always a threat whenever he gets a slight help despite being low in pace. Shami is one who if not bowling with intensity will consistently deliver boundary balls. you dont need 140KPh bowlers in England.  One is enough. 130-135K moving the ball, hitting right areas can do the job for us. We need to bowlers like BK for England and one 140-145K bowler who can bowl a few bouncers and keep the batsman honest.

Edited May 19, 2018 by rkt.india