Popular Post Khota Posted May 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2018 not because their bowling is better or batting is better. It is because they are such a crappy team no one takes them seriously and ends up paying a heavy price. They play for respect as they don't even get a full series. India on the other hand have a bullseye on their back because they are no 1 team and they get everyone's best shot. Everyone brings their A+ game when playing India and just regular game playing pakistan. I guess that is the price of success and no 1 ranking that India has to pay. JaFanatic, Masquerade, Forever Indian and 21 others 1 2 15 5 1 Link to comment
Number Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Not every team but yeah Engerland often take the series against lower ranked teams with much relaxed attitude and end up losing games. E.g. losing a test to windies in 2017 at Leeds. Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) By that logic ATG WI and Aus should have been everyone's target, yet most teams would fold like cheap tents against them. Bottomline we weren't good enough under Dhoni era, now we are good but need to take preparation more seriously and not * up with selection. In England Pak has always been a top team, they have won some 12-13 tests there, 4 post 2010 itself while we have won only 3 in the last 31 years. Edited May 30, 2018 by Gollum zaqw222222, Switchblade and LORD_analyst 1 2 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 Fact that they only got two tests, they felt slighted and gave their best. For Pakistan this game is everything and about respect and England had dont care attitude. JaFanatic 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 I think it is unfair to pak. their bowlers are accurate and their batsmen this game played well too. I think Eng will compete better against India as they will be in the middle of their home season, this is their first game in their home season - Eng will do much better in the next game against pak itself. LORD_analyst 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Gollum said: By that logic ATG WI and Aus should have been everyone's target, yet most teams would fold like cheap tents against them. Bottomline we weren't good enough under Dhoni era, now we are good but need to take preparation more seriously and not * up with selection. In England Pak has always been a top team, they have won some 12-13 tests there, 4 post 2010 itself while we have won only 3 in the last 31 years. They always were the target but they were much superior teams so it did not matter. Now unfortunately no one takes pakistan seriously and they take India as a must win game. Link to comment
Khota Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Vilander said: I think it is unfair to pak. their bowlers are accurate and their batsmen this game played well too. I think Eng will compete better against India as they will be in the middle of their home season, this is their first game in their home season - Eng will do much better in the next game against pak itself. Their batsman are pretty bad but this was do or die game for them. If they are so good they would not have lost to SL. There are some inherent advantages to being not taken seriously. Link to comment
Vilander Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Just now, Khota said: Their batsman are pretty bad but this was do or die game for them. If they are so good they would not have lost to SL. There are some inherent advantages to being not taken seriously. SL did to pak what pak did to eng actually. Bowlers who were more accurate and blessed with better conditions exploited and batsmen rode home the advantage, in a two test series. Link to comment
Vilander Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 guys its pretty futile to compare two teams based on their performance against a third. In cricket because of complex 11 man variable efficiencies against the 11 man team on other side, but at any point in time only one batsman and bowler being able to compete, team A can loose miserably to B and B can loose miserably to C but still C can loose miserably to A. Link to comment
Gollum Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 More than Pak being weak or taken lightly, I think the problem is with England. They might well draw the series 1-1 but appear to be in terminal decline, they remind me of 2011-12 India with under performing seniors waiting to get dumped in favor of young blood. I am very optimistic about our chances, if we apply ourselves well we may even sweep them away. It may sound trite but I'll say it again, the only real obstacle for Team India will be catching, if we are going to drop 5 catches per match even the fragile Poms will give us a shellacking. Switchblade 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Vilander said: guys its pretty futile to compare two teams based on their performance against a third. In cricket because of complex 11 man variable efficiencies against the 11 man team on other side, but at any point in time only one batsman and bowler being able to compete, team A can loose miserably to B and B can loose miserably to C but still C can loose miserably to A. I understand property of transitivity does not work in sports as there are multiple variables but this was staright up loss for England to a inferior team under home conditions shows a lack of respect for Pakistan. JaFanatic 1 Link to comment
cric_fan Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 not because their bowling is better or batting is better. It is because they are such a crappy team no one takes them seriously and ends up paying a heavy price. They play for respect as they don't even get a full series. India on the other hand have a bullseye on their back because they are no 1 team and they get everyone's best shot. Everyone brings their A+ game when playing India and just regular game playing pakistan. I guess that is the price of success and no 1 ranking that India has to pay.Man, you really are butthurt re Pak. Give it a rest. Link to comment
Khota Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, cric_fan said: Man, you really are butthurt re Pak. Give it a rest. Analysis is not butt hurt. It is really not your fault as you come from a intolerant country where feedback is always considered negative. In India we call it a constructive critism and analysis. I have nothing but respect for you for beating England. Well done. The Dark Horse, JaFanatic and Rasgulla 1 2 Link to comment
KaushikfromDelhi Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Khota said: not because their bowling is better or batting is better. It is because they are such a crappy team no one takes them seriously and ends up paying a heavy price. They play for respect as they don't even get a full series. India on the other hand have a bullseye on their back because they are no 1 team and they get everyone's best shot. Everyone brings their A+ game when playing India and just regular game playing pakistan. I guess that is the price of success and no 1 ranking that India has to pay. I also have similar feelings regarding the ongoing Pak-Eng series, as I don't know how else to explain the result so far. Maybe after next test Eng will score a big win, and it will start making more sense. Until then, hard to digest how a team with no IPL experience, no superstars, poor board, no cricket in their country can still produce victories. Anyway its only 2 match series while we have 5 so that alone is indicator of our importance, whether we win or not. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 In tests, you can't say that. In test matches, teams can come back even if they fail in one innings. Fact that England could never come back tells it is not factually true. I wonder if England won even a single session in the first test. kruiser 1 Link to comment
Lala2790 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 What a stupid Thread by a clown poster. Mods, delete this Thread, feather and tar the OP and restrict all his posting rights. On a serious note, the reason why Pakistan have an advantage is because India, unlike Pakistan, historically have failed to develop world class fast bowlers Laaloo, Forever Indian, Adi_91 and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Temujin Khaghan Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Sorry but other than Virat, Indian test players have a weak will. When the going gets tough they surrender immediately. MSD used to give a fight but his ability in test batsmanship is limited. Rahul dravid had superb will power, wish we still had someone like him. Switchblade, kruiser and Vilander 3 Link to comment
Lala Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 At least he is telling the truth . BTW who cares biased rankings. You take the rankings and let us take the victory. Adi_91 1 Link to comment
Lala Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, Lala2790 said: On a serious note, the reason why Pakistan have an advantage is because India, unlike Pakistan, historically have failed to develop world class fast bowlers But they got bumrah,shami,ishanth and umesh and Unadkat too Bilal78 1 Link to comment
Lala Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Khota said: It is because they are such a crappy team no one takes them seriously and ends up paying a heavy price. Yeah the same crappy team won the CT 2017. Thanks for India who didn't take us seriously. Adi_91, JaFanatic and Bilal78 1 1 1 Link to comment
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