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How good are the current swing bowlers compared to Kapil?


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I have not seen an Indian bowler who wobbles the balls in the air like Kapil till date. He would just float the ball like spinner. It would wobble so much that would put doubts in the minds of batsmen. With his accuracy he was a very difficult guy to score runs of.  There is something unique about his grip and release. Also point of release was pitch perfect. 

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My brother saved a cutout from a newspaper during the 91/92 World series between Aus, Ind, WI that listed batting, bowling and fielding as the main specialty of Aus, Ind and WI respectively. Ind the powerhouse of bowling :phehe:. The series comprised of low scores describing 60 runs in the last 10 overs as aggressive batting to reach 220 which was a good score in those times. It was also the series with that Shastri' tracer bullet innings of 10 from 65 balls :hysterical:

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6 minutes ago, Stuge said:

Irfan pathan was good until he forgot his swing techique ....Thanks to greg Chappel

lets not entirely blame chappel , the only thing chappell did wrong with him was taking to every corner for advice .....

rest was all pathan fault. HE started tinkering with his action even before chappel became coach. Chappel had gone for 10 yrs now he is still nowere........both pathan bros became lazy so didnt rise above . Look at their poor fitness over the years

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4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

lets not entirely blame chappel , the only thing chappell did wrong with him was taking to every corner for advice .....

rest was all pathan fault. HE started tinkering with his action even before chappel became coach. Chappel had gone for 10 yrs now he is still nowere........both pathan bros became lazy so didnt rise above . Look at their poor fitness over the years

but it was all started by mr Chappel ..Rest is story.

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59 minutes ago, Lala said:

Dont try to compare because conditions and methods have been so different now a days. 

Forget about who he bowls to. Just look at how he floats up in the air and it wobbles. You would always think that it would swing more but it wouldn't. He was able to control the swing beautifully. Nobody among current crop comes even remotely close to Kapil in controlling the swing. Dean Jones possibly the next best after Richards always had trouble picking Kapil's straight balls as it would appear to leave the batsman but it would be dead straight.

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1 hour ago, Stuge said:

but it was all started by mr Chappel ..Rest is story.

nope he started tinkering with his action in 2005 ind-pak home series where he all of sudden became an open chested bowler and then his own experiments began with his action n injuries didnt help either

 

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4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

nope he started tinkering with his action in 2005 ind-pak home series where he all of sudden became an open chested bowler and then his own experiments began with his action n injuries didnt help either

 

yes Very very ungainly after some time. Release point, ungainly jump everything was messed up. He had the ability to swing the ball from the hand. Sreesanth and Balaji were the two who were able to bowl genuine outswingers. Sreesanth's seam position was picture perfect. Balaji had great control over his outswing. But he often missed the length. Still handy. But his career ending stress fracture ruined him.

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3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

yes Very very ungainly after some time. Release point, ungainly jump everything was messed up. He had the ability to swing the ball from the hand. Sreesanth and Balaji were the two who were able to bowl genuine outswingers. Sreesanth's seam position was picture perfect. Balaji had great control over his outswing. But he often missed the length. Still handy. But his career ending stress fracture ruined him.

at that time we also didnt have a proper fats bowling culture, if many fell it had to do something with our culture n awareness

it wasnt their , post ipl(i mean ipl also took few yrs to develop it) a lot more awareness came about fitness, diet, techniques till then these careers - irfan, rp, sreesanth , munaf were finished. 

I use to hear crap from ex-crickter forget pace bowl line n length , so m sure this was also the advice floating around in our culture. And at the end blame comes on to individual as well they all got lazy n had poor attitude ............look at nehra g till the end bowled 140k ....whereas irfan was seen bowling 115k in SMA last time .

 

Fast bowling is also about attitude and none of them had it 

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Kapil was very simple with his batting and bowling technique. It was all natural. One of the worlds best all rounder ever in the league of Sobers, Miller, Imran, Botham, Richard Hadllee.

 

We cannot compare two different eras. The game then was played under different conditions, rules. 

 

None of the current bowlers have the stamina of Kapil. Kapil missed only 1 test after playing 66 consecutive tests. After the test he rested he played 65 consecutive tests again. That is a world record. 

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1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Forget about who he bowls to. Just look at how he floats up in the air and it wobbles. You would always think that it would swing more but it wouldn't. He was able to control the swing beautifully. Nobody among current crop comes even remotely close to Kapil in controlling the swing. Dean Jones possibly the next best after Richards always had trouble picking Kapil's straight balls as it would appear to leave the batsman but it would be dead straight.

Dean Jones the next best what after Richards ?

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8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

lets not entirely blame chappel , the only thing chappell did wrong with him was taking to every corner for advice .....

rest was all pathan fault. HE started tinkering with his action even before chappel became coach. Chappel had gone for 10 yrs now he is still nowere........both pathan bros became lazy so didnt rise above . Look at their poor fitness over the years

he had changed his action because of his back injury after 2004 Pak tour.

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

yes Very very ungainly after some time. Release point, ungainly jump everything was messed up. He had the ability to swing the ball from the hand. Sreesanth and Balaji were the two who were able to bowl genuine outswingers. Sreesanth's seam position was picture perfect. Balaji had great control over his outswing. But he often missed the length. Still handy. But his career ending stress fracture ruined him.

I wont call Sreesanth a swing bowler because he did not have swing bowler's seam position.  he had upright seam. To swing the ball, you need tilted seam.  This is he difference between. BK and Umesh and Shami. BK and umesh swings the ball as they ball with tilted seam and Shami does not. Though ball can still swing in conducive conditions even with upright seam, but not many times.  

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

he had changed his action because of his back injury after 2004 Pak tour.

nope i think it was after 2004 aussie home series where h got injured after 1st test where he was clocking 140k

Pak tour happ in march, home series against aussie was in oct

 

he was fine till this series 

 

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9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

both pathan bros became lazy so didnt rise above . Look at their poor fitness over the years

That's harsh and IMHO inaccurate.  Injuries != poor fitness.  Irfan was guilty of choosing to follow the wrong advice, and decided to try and get quicker.  Went about it the wrong way, and lost his swing, which made him a total trundler.  

 

And yes, in the 2nd half of his career, there was a distinct lower priority in his mind for Ranji and FC cricket, he was clearly attempting to extend his IPL career and earnings - not exactly a crime.  

 

Irfan didn't live up to the initial hype and expectations created by his excellent early int'l start.  But you simply can't accuse Yusuf of being lazy.  The guy is an extremely limited player who made the most of his abilities to have the career he did.  

 

Arm-chair experts are entitled to their opinions and even biases.  But let's try and be at least a little grounded in reality. 

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