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39 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

It is a genuine concern for me. Whenever I see a Muslim woman in her 30s she has a minimum of 3 children even if she and her husband is from an educated background. All other groups are having two or less. I seriously worry about the future. Even when they are 10% of an area they demand halal food which is then pushed onto all of us.

 

 

Gone are the days of Jihad and subjugation of infidels through Wars and Swords,  Population Jihad is the new  warfare albeit a slow process which may take a long time but will be sufficient to achieve all Islamic goals in the future. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, javier26 said:

Gone are the days of Jihad and subjugation of infidels through Wars and Swords,  Population Jihad is the new  warfare albeit a slow process which may take a long time but will be sufficient to achieve all Islamic goals in the future. 

 

 

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To be fair I'm not sure if they do have so many kids for this reason but the outcome of them having a large population is what the diagram above shows.

 

As a teenager I used to find it amusing but now as an adult it is alarming.

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I don't know what went on or who was involved, but people need to grow up. So long as nothing violence related or abusive is going on in a thread they should be open. Just avoid threads that bother you, or better yet correct people when they are wrong. How exactly are you supposed to convince people without engaging them?> 

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1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

To be fair I'm not sure if they do have so many kids for this reason but the outcome of them having a large population is what the diagram above shows.

 

As a teenager I used to find it amusing but now as an adult it is alarming.

You have every right to be alarmed. Any sensible person will find the situation alarming.

 

Macedonia had 24% Muslim population in 1961, became 40% in 2011. It is projected by PEW that the Muslim population will be 56% in 2050....all because of difference in fertility rate. Orthodox Christians will be reduced to a precariously placed minority, they have already started panicking. Some of the toughest people in the world feeling the heat and many Indians laugh when some of the Sangh leaders in India read the situation similarly. One of the most chilled out societies in the Balkans, and now increasingly becoming sharia compliant, political Islam taking roots there aided by favorable population balance. Same is the case in Bosnia Herzegovina. 

 

The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050 (PEW Research Centre)

 

Countries That Will No Longer Have a Christian Majority in 2050

 

In Chechnya and Dagestan similar situation. Once upon a time you had a significant minority there called Cossacks, then they faced the same treatment as Kashmiri Pandits and Sikhs in Kashmir valley. Followed by high fertility rate of a certain community compared to rest of Russia... now Chechnya is 99% Muslim and only one church left standing in their capital city, Grozny. The Chechens  contribute nothing to Russian economy, only take, take and take. Islamic terrorism, violence, regressive society, subjugation of women, freeloading etc are common features there....a real burden on Russian society and national resources. 

 

KGB, Russian military, Putin couldn't save the Christians, what hope do the meek Indian and British govts have? Only China has population control of said community figured out. This isn't a France, India, Kenya, Sweden (land of Vikings LOL) or UK specific problem, it is everywhere, we refuse to acknowledge it and hence putting our future generations at risk. Nothing wrong to call it out, excessive PCness will take us nowhere.

 

Meanwhile this is happening in India, well researched pieces. Your assertion that it will take centuries isn't consistent with the authors' various projection models. 40-50 years max. 

 

Will Assam be Muslim majority in the next 40 years?

 

Kerala and South Tamil Nadu – A Case of Hindu Fade Out

 

A Demographic Warning for West Bengal

 

Made a much longer post in your thread but will leave it here. Who knows they may delete this thread as well? 

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2 hours ago, sergio04 said:

Indian defence forum per start kro yeh thread

I made it, a bare-bones version. I will check it in a day to see what kind of discussion has happened there.

 

People should join DFI to discuss the topic if they want. Random liberandus have less leeway there to get anything that hurts their sensitive feelings deleted. 

 

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Russian/Nat

 

As Chechens prepare to vote on Monday for a pro-independence president and parliament, ethnic Russians still living in the breakaway republic are worried about their future.

 

Tens of thousands of Russians - many of them Cossacks - fled the republic after its 1991 independence declaration and during the war that followed.

 

The remaining Cossacks are alarmed by the prospect of an independent Islamic republic.

 

They swear they will go to war rather than let their historic territories slip from Russian control.

 

 

 

When Russian troops withdrew from Chechnya late last year, armed Chechens took their place on the streets.

 

But ethnic Russians in the northern village of Chernokozovo feel anything but safe.

 

The Russians living in the Naurskaya and Shelkovskoi regions are descendants of Tsarist Cossacks who were sent here to protect Russia's southern border from the wild tribes of the Caucasus mountains.

 

Under the Soviet Union these lands along the Terek River were part of the Chechen Republic.

 

Then, Cossacks and Chechens lived side by side with few problems.

 

But when Chechnya declared independence in 1991 the peaceful life started to crumble.

 

Before the war Russians made up about 40 per cent of Chechnya's population.

 

Now only 10 to 15 per cent is Russian and the number is falling.

 

Every day, three or four families pass through this post on the Russian-Chechen border, leaving for good.

 

They are reluctant to go but too scared to stay.

 

SOUNDBITE: (Russian)

"It's my home. I was born and raised here. My ancestors are from here. My grandparents

are buried here. It's very difficult to leave. So far we're just moving our stuff out bit by bit - whatever is left. I'll stay as long as I've still got things here."

SUPER CAPTION: Nina Sokolova

 

Tension is rising as lawlessness increases.

 

Since Russian troops started pulling out last August bandits have taken over, terrorising the locals.

 

The ataman - or leader - of Chernokozovo calls a meeting to discuss the community's future.

 

They say the situation is hopeless.

 

They are sick of living in fear, wondering if they will be attacked in their own homes like Vassili Krimov.

 

Krimov was hospitalised after a gang of Chechen thugs broke into his house, robbed him, beat him badly and burnt him with a hot iron.

 

The people of Chernokozovo turned out en masse for the funeral of Yekaterina Vassileva whose son was kidnapped by Chechen bandits.

 

She could not afford the hefty ransom they demanded for his return and died of heart failure.

 

Her son's whereabouts are still unknown.

 

The ataman says something must be done to prevent such things being repeated.

 

Like all Terskovo Cossacks, he resents the idea that the land of his forefathers is no longer under Russian jurisdiction.

 

SOUNDBITE: (Russian)

"Now any young brat can come and say this place is now Chechnya and not Russia and simply boot us out. It's insulting. The Cossacks can do a lot. But so far we still don't want to form any armed gangs."

SUPER CAPTION: Anatoly Cherkassin, Chernokozovo village leader

 

The Cossacks are looking to Russia for support - both from the government and other Cossacks in Russia.

 

Last week the head of Yeltsin's Security Council, Boris Berezovsky, met a gathering of top atamans and promised the Cossacks their demands for arms and help would be met.

 

SOUNDBITE: (Russian)

"If they give out arms then all our men will go and fight in order to defend our land.

If the Cossacks from the Don and Kuban come to help, then of course all our men will rise and fight. Let us have the weapons and this land will never be theirs (the Chechens)."

SUPER CAPTION: Natasha Gorshenyova

 

Cossack leaders say more than 70-thousand Cossack volunteers from southern Russia could be raised immediately to come to the region's aid.

 

But the fighting talk is hard to square with reality.

 

The Chechens, though small in number, mauled the Russian army in the recent war, and are unlikely to give up any territory to Russia.

 

Monday's elections may bring independence to the Chechens but for the Terskovo Cossacks they mean a choice between fleeing or fighting to survive.

 

Old video but relevant to the point @Ranvir was making. KPs are the only sufferers? No, even the mighty Russians. Islamic armed jihad and population jihad go hand in hand...one is a direct line of attack and the other is indirect, subtle. Chechens realized they couldn't separate by defeating Russian military, so now the covert tactic of expelling Christians (through violence, fear, bullying ) and raising their population....in 2009 their TFR was double that of Russian Federation (3.4 vs 1.7) LINK. Now it is an Islamic State within Russia. 

 

But when Chechnya declared independence in 1991 the peaceful life started to crumble. Before the war Russians made up about 40 per cent of Chechnya's population. Now only 10 to 15 per cent is Russian and the number is falling. Every day, three or four families pass through this post on the Russian-Chechen border, leaving for good.......LATEST UPDATE around 1% left.

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9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 

Old video but relevant to the point @Ranvir was making. KPs are the only sufferers? No, even the mighty Russians. Islamic jihad and population jihad go hand in hand...one is a direct line of attack and the other is indirect, subtle. Chechens realized they couldn't separate by defeating Russian military, so now the covert tactic of expelling Christians (through violence, fear, bullying ) and raising their population....in 2009 their TFR was double that of Russian Federation (3.4 vs 1.7) LINK. Now it is an Islamic State within Russia. 

 

But when Chechnya declared independence in 1991 the peaceful life started to crumble. Before the war Russians made up about 40 per cent of Chechnya's population. Now only 10 to 15 per cent is Russian and the number is falling. Every day, three or four families pass through this post on the Russian-Chechen border, leaving for good.......LATEST UPDATE around 1% left.

Lol, Soviets Put the Russians there, much like Kazakhistan has so many germans and Russians, Soviets put them there.

 

Lol At comparing Checheans to Kashmiris, kashmiris are a bunch of rice eating softies, Only a cowardly people would Allow Another cowardly people, Indians to rule over them.

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36 minutes ago, Tibarn said:

I made it, a bare-bones version. I will check it in a day to see what kind of discussion has happened there.

 

People should join DFI to discuss the topic if they want. Random liberandus have less leeway there to get anything that hurts their sensitive feelings deleted. 

 

Yeah saw that, even @sergio04 bhai has commented. Might join that forum in the future time permitting, waise bhi lost interest in cricket and tennis after happenings in July. Baaki bas chit-chat, maybe the sensitive and non-PC subjects can be discussed on DFI. Have occasionally lurked there, how is that forum? Military discussion heavy or even politics and other stuff? 

 

Any other ICFer there apart from these 2?

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2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Yeah saw that, even @sergio04 bhai has commented. Might join that forum in the future time permitting, waise bhi lost interest in cricket and tennis after happenings in July. Baaki bas chit-chat, maybe the sensitive and non-PC subjects can be discussed on DFI. Have occasionally lurked there, how is that forum? Military discussion heavy or even politics and other stuff? 

 

Any other ICFer there apart from these 2?

Erm..What is DFI?

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53 minutes ago, panther said:

Lol, Soviets Put the Russians there, much like Kazakhistan has so many germans and Russians, Soviets put them there.

 

Lol At comparing Checheans to Kashmiris, kashmiris are a bunch of rice eating softies, Only a cowardly people would Allow Another cowardly people, Indians to rule over them.

So you Pathans must Be one of the biggest cowardly softies... having let Iranians and Turks rule over them for 1250 of the last 1500 years...

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12 hours ago, Gollum said:

WTF, I wrote such a long essay there and once I clicked the submit button the thread disappeared. WTF !!!! 3rd or 4th time this has happened to me. Why can't we have a civil discussion about certain sensitive topics, where is my FOE? 

 

@sandeep did you ask the admins to close the thread? 

 

WTF is this admins? Is this a Pakistani forum?

 

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No I didn't ask anybody to delete.   Just an FYI, I am not a moderator, or "friends" with any of them.

 

Btw, the irony of the massive whinging on censorship, & freedom of speech, in a thread that started with a demand to draw "lines" on the very same freedom - by the same usual suspects, with diametrically opposed assertions depending on what suits their agenda, is really entertaining.

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There's a handful of posters on here, who feel entitled to shout down others and resort to all kinds of trash insults, simply because they don't like opinions and perspectives that they do not share.  Such infantile attitudes does not patriots make.  It makes sheeple.  And as typical of sheeple, they usually resort to echo-chamber shouting to embolden themselves in their "crusade".  

 

Have the balls, and the brains, to participate in honest discussions.   Without resorting to personal insults, or naked bigotry.  And try to grow the confidence, to consider the opposing perspective, if someone challenges yours.  It will only help you.  Else don't let the door hit you on the way out, go scurry on over to "defence forums" or whatever such rat-hole of bigotry you find trashy rhetoric welcomed.

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3 minutes ago, diga said:

Doubt it... Whatever Outy may be,he won't pose as someone else

He disappeared after calling Hardik Pandya "hammock for bowlers" right until the second that Pandya took a test match winning 5-fer in England!

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20 hours ago, Gollum said:

Yeah saw that, even @sergio04 bhai has commented. Might join that forum in the future time permitting, waise bhi lost interest in cricket and tennis after happenings in July. Baaki bas chit-chat, maybe the sensitive and non-PC subjects can be discussed on DFI. Have occasionally lurked there, how is that forum? Military discussion heavy or even politics and other stuff? 

 

Any other ICFer there apart from these 2?

I joined that forum much later than when I joined ICF,  after a member who lurked this forum joined ICF and suggested that I join their forum. Here are my thoughts: the only other ICFer that I know posts there frequently is the one called @vayuu1 (although I haven't interacted with him on either forum). By the nature of the forum the most active part of it is the part that covers military related issues, like this forum's cricket section is most active. There is a lot of good discussion there and some mammoth threads with some great resources.  Parts of the forum are a bit of an echo chamber, but it's nothing like R/andia where people with different thoughts get banned. One can have a different or controversial opinion on there, even relative to the majority of posters there, as I have done in the past, and one would not get banned. No one really gets banned/their posts deleted unless they post something really terrible ie something which will get the website sued, , so, yes, it is a good place to discuss serious issues, although some of the discussions happen in mega-threads rather than specific threads on the topic. The user population is much more representative of India, they even have a few posters from the NE.  Not that there is anything wrong with it, but this forum seems to have disproportionately people from Tier 1 cities like Mumbai.  It definitely needs more posters that talk about current issues, and it needs posters to give some counter views sometimes as well.  Many people there are receptive to long posts and long debates.   

 

I think what you are considering is wise, the chit chat forum here is more fun, but the fact that some random pidis can get entire threads closed makes it difficult to talk about anything serious. 

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It looks like certain poster(s) got triggered by certain posts in this thread, assuming, due to their poor reading comprehension skills, that they were the target(s) of said posts, and now is their time for engaging in shadow-boxing. Unfortunately for them those posts weren't specifically targeting them, but now the game begins! Shadow-boxing is always fun.

 

If certain people were so sure of the correctness of their position, they would have contributed to the said thread before whinging and/or reporting its content.  After the thread in question has disappeared,  the time has come for certain posters to display their false bravado and hallucinate about imaginary arguments they made in that thread which were apparently so water-tight, everyone else hung their heads in shame in response to their brilliance.

 

The reality is, the deleted thread had 0 counter arguments to what the OP of that thread posted/asked. The said posters were so incompetent, they were unable to even state why exactly the OP of that thread was wrong or illustrate their supposed ignorance/bigotry. That doesn't prevent Pidis from transforming from poodles into pit-bulls after the threads, which they had no answer for, disappeared.  

 

The same Pidis never contribute to any discussion that they consider haraam; instead they resort to barking,  "Chaddi, Bhakt, Sanghi, Bigot, Ignorant" on loop or whinging/reporting to get these certain threads closed.  In these certain peoples warped minds, those first five are "classy" or "halal" insults, but others are "trash" or "haraam" insults when given in the same vein. These people are truly a rare breed. The main difference being, the purveyor of the latter doesn't think of it as a form of debate, while the purveyor of the former seems to:

 

poisoning-the-well by slurring everyone who doesn't agree with their sensitives with a "classy"/"halal" insult, in this case "bigot", in other threads "ignorant" or "sanghi" or "bhakt" is a valid strategy and everyone else is afraid to engage in debate with such great arguments. :hysterical:   

 

Imagine simultaneously giving gyaan about freedom of speech while setting an arbitrary standard of debate: you can say anything you want except "bigotry", a word that certain people apparently don't know the meaning of.  Translation: debate is okay as long as you don't say something that offends me, at which point it isn't a debate because I don't like it (said in a whinging voice).

 

A simple google search for the definition of bigotry would show

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/bigotry

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bigotry

If a person is intolerant of other ideas, races, or religions, we call that person a bigot. The intolerance expressed by that bigot is called bigotry

 

So basically, your "bigotry" is haraam, my "bigotry" is halal :cantstop: 

 

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I will say it again, neither India nor the Internet is ICF where any random Pidis can get all debate that dares disagree with their sensitivities removed.  Pidis can savor small "victories"(as interpreted by them in their own heads) of getting threads deleted, to their heart's content, but even a frog trapped in a well thinks he has conquered the ocean.  :winky:

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The most vile creature residing in India, dunno why she never faces legal trouble? 

Lying bitch, whether it be Gujarat Files (trashed by SC) or Bengal nun rape case or Kashmir.... ISI mole guarantee. Look at the sheer volume of her lies and how WaPo laps it up....she is being condemned even by JK top cops.

 

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