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Just now, Lala said:

How come Hayden and Sehwag ahead of pure Test legends like Sanga and Dravid. Both are 10000+ runs scored.

 

Hayden and Sehwag are openers.

 

Middle order is extremely competitive to get into. Lara and Tendulkar are certified ATGs. There are only 1-2 spots left after that and it's a fight among Ponting, Kallis, Dravid, Sanga and couple of others.

 

Kallis has a big advantage of being an all rounder.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

I will replace Sewhag or Hayden with Smith.

 

Sehwag + Hayden - both of them were avg/poor in Eng, NZ and SA. 

 

Smith can bring balance to that.

+Smith can also supply some sandpapers. Sehwag can do commentry as he said he would have loved to have been there commentating when sand-paper gate happened.

 

Win-Win

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3 minutes ago, sourab10forever said:

+Smith can also supply some sandpapers. Sehwag can do commentry as he said he would have loved to have been there commentating when sand-paper gate happened.

 

Win-Win

 

Think he was talking about Graeme Smith (an opener) and not Steve Smith.

 

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Graeme smith should replace Hayden... Sehwag too is not  up to the mark...... but among right handed openers he was the better of the lot.Other wise  Chris Gayle too has better all round record than him as an opener

 

In a world eleven my 2 test openers would  definitely be Gavaskar and Graeme Smith

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12 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Dale Steyn any day over Akram in tests.

 

Not that I necessarily agree with it but Wasim Akram usually edges out other fast bowlers in these best XI selections because of his perceived uniqueness.

 

 

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1 hour ago, sourab10forever said:

+Smith can also supply some sandpapers. Sehwag can do commentry as he said he would have loved to have been there commentating when sand-paper gate happened.

 

Win-Win

Damn kids these days!

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Ambrose was scarier and more skilled than McGrath. Nonsense to overlook that legend.

 

Other than that howler, the rest of the team selects itself.

 

 

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59 minutes ago, philcric said:

 

Not that I necessarily agree with it but Wasim Akram usually edges out other fast bowlers in these best XI selections because of his perceived uniqueness.

 

 

They need a left arm fast bowler who can swing away from right handers and swing in deliveries could be lethal sometimes.

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11 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Ambrose was scarier and more skilled than McGrath. Nonsense to overlook that legend. Marshall was a tier above both.

 

Other than the two above, whom I'd pencil in for Akram and McG, the rest of the team selects itself.

Marshall does not quality the last 25-year criteria. If Marshall is a tier above Akram and McG then so does Steyn, IMO.

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10 minutes ago, Lala said:

Sachin and Gilly open while sanga play at no 3. That's how they could have decided batting order.

:facepalm:

 

Sachin and Gilchrist are not test openers !!

 

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Donald/Ambrose/Waqar to fill for Wasim and Murali. Dravid/Kirsten for Hayden/Sehwag

 

PS- I totally forgot Steyn. He is better than Wasim and Murali IMHO

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4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Marshall does not quality the last 25-year criteria. If Marshall is a tier above Akram and McG then so does Steyn, IMO.

I noted that later and edited the comment re Marshall. It has to be Ambrose and Mcgrath if the team has only two pacers. Steyn gets a look in only as a third pacer.

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19 minutes ago, Garuda said:

Donald/Ambrose/Waqar to fill for Wasim and Murali. Dravid/Kirsten for Hayden/Sehwag

 

PS- I totally forgot Steyn. He is better than Wasim and Murali IMHO

There has to be a off spiners as well as left arm quick. How many wickets Donald/Ambrose/Waqar took comparatively to Wasim and Murali? :cantstop: Even I rate Walsh than trundler Ambrose. :cantstop:

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8 minutes ago, Lala said:

There has to be a off spiners as well as left arm quick. How many wickets Donald/Ambrose/Waqar took comparatively to Wasim and Murali? :cantstop: Even I rate Walsh than trundler Ambrose. :cantstop:

So Ambrose was trundler and Walsh wasn't?

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This sort of team needs to be conditions based, can't pick a generic XI.

 

If match is in SC I will replace Warne with Kumble (being a leggie he is a more preferable option to complement Murali as opposed to Ashwin) while Sanga takes Ponting's place. Andy Flower will be my keeper then because he was one of the greatest I have seen against spin bowling. 

 

In SEN countries Murali, Viru, Hayden will make way for Steyn, G. Smith, Langer respectively.

 

In Australia Ambrose should play instead of Murali. 

 

Sachin, Lara, Kallis, Akram and Mcgrath are the only sure starters irrespective of conditions. 

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16 minutes ago, Lala said:

There has to be a off spiners as well as left arm quick. How many wickets Donald/Ambrose/Waqar took comparatively to Wasim and Murali? :cantstop: Even I rate Walsh than trundler Ambrose. :cantstop:

You dont need a off spinner or left armer if you have the best team. I lost you at trundler Ambrose :thumpdown:

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Garuda said:

You dont need a off spinner or left armer if you have the best team. I lost you at trundler Ambrose :thumpdown:

 

Who can turn this much of spin in non subcontinent pitches? :cantstop:

 

 

Wasim is the king of swing. His inswingers to right handers are lethal. Moreover he is better lower order batsmen who scored even a double century (257*) where trundler Ambrose cant even hold the bat properly.

 

 

 

BTW Can your Ambrose do this? :cantstop:

 

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I agree with the jury. Looks like a fantastic team. I made the second XI to face this first XI at Lord's or MCG -

 

Smith

Cook

Dravid

Sangakkara

Steve Waugh (C)

Andrew Flintoff

Mark Boucher (W)

Mitchell Starc

Anil Kumble

Dale Steyn

James Anderson

 

All bases covered.

A tough opener in Smith, an accumulator in Cook.

Run machines Dravid, Sangakkara followed by fighting troubleshooter Steve.

Jimmy to swing it, Steyn and Starc to enforce it.

Kumble to run amok on drier days and Flintoff to kill it with his x-factor.

Above all, the best pair of hands behind the stumps.

Cook, Dravid, Freddie, and Jimmy to stand behind to take all chances that come across their way.

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The challenge is to select a XI for all kinds of pitches in all kinds of countries. No caveats.

 

I always start with the bowling. 2 spinners a must in Ind/Pak/UAE/SL/Ban/WI. 3 pacers a must in SA/Eng/Aus/NZ.

 

So, 5 bowlers (3 pacers + 2 spinners), 5 batsmen, 1 WK-batsman.

 

From the original Cricinfo list, I'd get rid of ..

Sehwag (biggest match winning batsman in sub-con but very unreliable in SENA)

Ponting (not good in sub-con)

 

M Hayden

* G Smith

B Lara

S Tendulkar

K Sangakkara (prefer him for his style over Kallis, Ponting and Dravid)

+ A Gilchrist

W Akram

S Warne

D Steyn

M Muralitharan

G McGrath

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Lala said:

Who can turn this much of spin in non subcontinent pitches?

 

Wasim is the king of swing. His inswingers to right handers are lethal. Moreover he is better lower order batsmen who scored even a double century (257*) where trundler Ambrose cant even hold the bat properly.

 

I dont care how much Murali spins. I care about runs and wickets and impact players. Murali performed poorly in Aus/SA so did Wasim. The team has Gilly at 7 and Wasim is picked as a bowler. He did poorly with the bat apart from that 250 he scored against Zim :cantstop:. I think you need to get your head checked calling Ambrose a trundler. If such is your standards, then Wasim is a mega trundler :cantstop:. Go ahead and come back with more :cantstop::cantstop::cantstop: to make up for your lack of funniness :cantstop:

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6 minutes ago, Bublu Bhuyan said:

Dravid couldn't even make it to a Test World 11 of the last 25 years :hysterical:

And this makes you happy, why? Does it make him any less of a player than what he was? Even Sanga, Waugh, KP, G. Smith, ABDV, Amla, Ambrose, Steyn, Waqar, Donald, Kumble etc failed to make the cut. 

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